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[dreamgazer]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Pro-Destroy is the forum's lowest-common-denominator, nothing more. They go on about "oh hurr control/synthesis = raeperz win!" and dont' qualify it with any evidence, they just call its supporters indoctrinated.

Indoctrinated is them. They are mindlessly controlled by fear.

Generalization strikes once again.

[Shepard Wins]

Lookout1390 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

You realize the same can be said for just about every thread about 'my choice was right because'.

Everyone is trying to make their choice sound like the correct one, when really it's just left up to us to decide what is right.

Even though I think all 3 are equally ****ty, and don't really solve the over-arching problem.

This, thank you.

[Funkdrspot]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

Why bother? Pro-Destroy-Posts pointing out how control/synthesis is following in the Reaper's footsteps will keep these kind of threads on the frontpage, and both sides can battle each other for the ultimate truth (which, of course is red!)

Pro-Destroy is the forum's lowest-common-denominator, nothing more. They go on about "oh hurr control/synthesis = raeperz win!" and dont' qualify it with any evidence, they just call its supporters indoctrinated.

Indoctrinated is them. They are mindlessly controlled by fear.

The evidence is literally Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3. Seriously, how can you talk about evidence when the only evidence that you're given in support of control/synthesis is about 2 sentences from the starkid? NOTHING else in the entire series up to that point says otherwise.

[111987]

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

What, you wouldn't want to increase humanity's power and safeguard their future as much as possible?

Okay.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Control ending fan here.

Destroy ****s, go away. We don't care if you're so hellbent on revenge and need to DESTROY REAPERS CUZ THEY KILL SO MANY PPLE LOLOLOL ;_;

Why destroy, when you can control for your own gain?

Inb4 it's indoctrination, I don't believe in the indoctrination theory, so TOO BAD.

[Shepard Wins]

111987 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

What, you wouldn't want to increase humanity's power and safeguard their future as much as possible?

Okay.

What, you'd do it at the cost of other races and while being ruthless and genocidal?

Mmmmokay

[Shepard Wins]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Control ending fan here.

Destroy ****s, go away. We don't care if you're so hellbent on revenge and need to DESTROY REAPERS CUZ THEY KILL SO MANY PPLE LOLOLOL ;_;

Why destroy, when you can control for your own gain?

Inb4 it's indoctrination, I don't believe in the indoctrination theory, so TOO BAD.

Angry much?

[CroGamer002]

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

Nope, I didn't choose Control due to his ideals.


I choose control so I don't backstab geth and EDI.

[The Night Mammoth]

111987 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

What, you wouldn't want to increase humanity's power and safeguard their future as much as possible?

Okay.

By subjugating the other species. 


So even as an advocator of control as the ending I would pick if forced to, I don't agree with TIM. In fact, one of the motivations for picking it is as a giant middle-finger to both the Catalyst and the insane racist at the head of Cerberus. 

[dreamgazer]

Verification: are you guys building a thread to actually talk about Control on a fundamental level, or just wanting a gathering spot to trash the other sides while back-slapping?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm not trolling, but wouldn't Control only delay the inevitable?

[Jamie9]

Jamie9 wrote...

I can see this thread about to devolve so I'm going to attempt to save it.

Objectivity. Yes, that word is something the human race needs to remember. Because it is the true hope for our race. It's okay to not like things. It is. But it's okay for other people to like those things you don't like.

If you argue something and say "I'm right, you're wrong", everything you've said is forfeit, because you aren't arguing objectively, and you must.

I picked control. I despise synthesis. But I don't attack people for choosing it, it is their right. It makes the world interesting that people can be completely opposed to me, and yet justify themselves.

Education should teach objectivity, Critical Thinking at A-level isn't enough. It should be mandatory.

Quoting myself so people will learn objectivity. You realise all your opinion are equal right? So arguing against each other subjectively doesn't actually mean anything?

[Velocithon]

111987 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

What, you wouldn't want to increase humanity's power and safeguard their future as much as possible?

Okay.

You forgot to put "at the expense of everyone else in the galaxy" at the end. TIM would've been like Emperor Palpatine and the Reapers being the clones.

TIM was pro-human. He didn't care for any other species, and arguably doesn't care for humans since he turns them into abominations, or "improves" them.

Sorry. The entire notion of accepting his ideals are just nauseating. Plus, look at all the terrible things he did to accomplish that goal. It's horrific.

[The Night Mammoth]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not trolling, but wouldn't Control only delay the inevitable?

What's inevitable? 

[Ageless Face]

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

TIM is right about having the ability to control the reapers. He is wrong about everything else. He experimented on organics. Shepard won't do it. TIM wants to control the reapers for for domination over all the races. Sheaprd will protect the galaxy and the people in it by choosing control (unless you don't think your Shep will help anyone, that is).  

[Velocithon]

Mesina2 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

Nope, I didn't choose Control due to his ideals.


I choose control so I don't backstab geth and EDI.

This is the ONLY reason I'd ever choose control. I'd argue and say it's the only good reason, period.

Сообщение изменено: Velocithon, 27 Май 2012 - 06:02 .

[Funkdrspot]

I'm going to post this again to see if i can get a logical answer to WHY i should believe that control is a good ending:

On my first playthrough I thought control was a fitting way to go. " Yeah my Shep would totally give himself for the greater good of the galaxy"

But then I started thinking:

- I've spent something like 150 hours playing this Shep and his explicit goal was nothing less than the destruction of the reapers

- The goal of everyone else who has been indoctrinated has either been submission or control

- The reapers MAIN weapon isn't brute strength, it's coercion and manipulation.

- Before the starkid, we had JUST told TIM that the risk is too great to try control since he'd be betting the fate of the galaxy on it. We convinced him enough for him to an hero

- 5 min later the starkid utters 2 sentences and all of a sudden i'm supposed to take him, master of manipulation and coercion, at his word that Shep can control the reapers?! He says NOTHING of significance to make me suddenly change my beliefs and he offers even less proof. Even the way he introduces control is suspicious, "....or do you THINK you can control us?"

[The Night Mammoth]

Jamie9 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I can see this thread about to devolve so I'm going to attempt to save it.

Objectivity. Yes, that word is something the human race needs to remember. Because it is the true hope for our race. It's okay to not like things. It is. But it's okay for other people to like those things you don't like.

If you argue something and say "I'm right, you're wrong", everything you've said is forfeit, because you aren't arguing objectively, and you must.

I picked control. I despise synthesis. But I don't attack people for choosing it, it is their right. It makes the world interesting that people can be completely opposed to me, and yet justify themselves.

Education should teach objectivity, Critical Thinking at A-level isn't enough. It should be mandatory.

Quoting myself so people will learn objectivity. You realise all your opinion are equal right? So arguing against each other subjectively doesn't actually mean anything?

Bullsh*t. True objectivity is a social el dorado. Every opinion is lathered with varying degrees of bias. 

[CroGamer002]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not trolling, but wouldn't Control only delay the inevitable?

Nobody knows until Extended Cut.

Until that, my headcanon says no.
It doesn't delay inevitable, it's a permanent solution.

And after Mass Relays are fixed, I am so destroying Reapers by dropping them on nearest star.

[Shepard Wins]

[Seival]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I'm not trolling, but wouldn't Control only delay the inevitable?

No, it wouldn't. There will be no something inevitable to delay, because Shepard became a new Catalist.

[Funkdrspot]

HagarIshay wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

TIM is right about having the ability to control the reapers. He is wrong about everything else. He experimented on organics. Shepard won't do it. TIM wants to control the reapers for for domination over all the races. Sheaprd will protect the galaxy and the people in it by choosing control (unless you don't think your Shep will help anyone, that is).  

The problem is that you just spent 3 games fighting to the contrary, everyone that has stated anything but destroy has been indoctrinated and the starkid says nothing of significance and offers no proof that you can control the reapers indefinitely.

On one hand I have 1000 dead cycles, 150 hrs of gameplay (last 3 years of Sheps life) and a thoroughly convincing debate with the TIM

On the other we have 2 or 3 sentences from the starkid.


Honestly, if you were Shep and YOU just went through those last 3 yrs and you JUST gave that speech to TIM, how would you become such a sudden hypocrite when the fate of the galaxy is at stake?!

Сообщение изменено: Funkdrspot, 27 Май 2012 - 06:07 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The evidence is literally Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3. Seriously, how can you talk about evidence when the only evidence that you're given in support of control/synthesis is about 2 sentences from the starkid? NOTHING else in the entire series up to that point says otherwise.

Point me to evidence that suggests the Reapers can't be controlled. 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

In Control, I didn't even see the Relays Destroyed. If the Relays were destroyed the the Citadel would have been gone as well, because it is a Relay as well. It just closed as all the Reapers left. And the shots of the Relays were cut shorter as well. So they couldn't have been destroyed.

[Velocithon]

Not to mention the whole game you're like "It's not possible to control the Reapers. This is way too dangerous.This is wrong. TIM is crazy. TIM is wrong. TIM needs to die"

Then the Starkid is like "Oh yea you con control us".

Now...who in their right mind, aside from thinking about the Geth and EDI (and possibly re-building the relays), would react to this and go "OH OKAY LET'S CONTROL THEM LOLOLOLOL THAT'S SUCH A FABULOUS IDEA!!!"