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So, the Illusive Man was right after all [Control Ending support thread]


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Seival wrote...

I don't know anything about male Shepard...

...For me Shepard is always she, with charming Jennifer Hale voice :o

...Seriously, male Shepard speaks like a robot. That voice actor should voice the Elcor. No offence...


Both VA's have their problems. Mark Meer is a lot better in ME3, but he still sounds too formal all the time. Jennifer Hale often sounds melodramatic though, she doesn't need to be that expressive.

I play both so don't really feel the need to compare them.

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B3ckett wrote...

The choice control is only the beggining... of ctrl+alt+delete on everybody's fate.

Fact is, the starbrat kinda looks satisfied...
http://www.youtube.c...nZjajOAA#t=120s


Actually, Catalyst's Avatar looks at Shepard with great respect and wonderment. It can be determined by the avatar's head tilt. Satisfied/laughing (or whatever) humanoid person never stands like that.

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 12:27 .


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Seival wrote...

Actually, Catalyst's Avatar looks at Shepard with great respect and wonderment. It can be determined by the avatar's head tilt. Satisfied/laughing (or whatever) humanoid person never stands like that.


I can never understand how you people are manging to see his experssion. respect, smirking, laghing, head tilt. I never manage to get any sort of any look from him. It's all to pale...

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Only Synthesis ending and Normandy crash scene are really ignore logic in current ending. This will be fixed in EC, I suppose.

About the storylines' detailed consequences - EC will add that to the game (epilogue), so don't worry.


Control completely contradicts Shepards entire fight against TIM.  What does Shepar have that TIM doens't that allowas him to control the Reapers?  Where was the foreshadowing that hinted at it?

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JA Shepard wrote...

If the Starchild wanted Shepard to fail he could also have just said nothing at all. If you believe he can choose to lie he should also be able to choose to say nothing. Without his explanation, Shepard would never have known what any of the choices were or what they did. Shepard might have even sat there confused about where he suddenly was right then until it was too late.

If there was only one "right choice" then probability alone favors Shepard making an incorrect decision, so why say anything or even appear? And if he thought Shepard randomly guessed right, then appear and speak just to create confusion. Sure, he could be lying but he has a safer option to defeat Shep if that is the goal. That's even if you assume that bringing Shepard into the chamber is out of The Catalyst's control. It's all an overly elaborate means to defeat one person who was bleeding out and unconscious. Cartoon supervillain elaborate, even.


Catalyst isn't trying to get Shepard to fail.  He is trying to indoctrinate him.  Or in other words try to get him to willingly pick Control or Synthesis.

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killage_wizard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Only Synthesis ending and Normandy crash scene are really ignore logic in current ending. This will be fixed in EC, I suppose.

About the storylines' detailed consequences - EC will add that to the game (epilogue), so don't worry.


Control completely contradicts Shepards entire fight against TIM.  What does Shepar have that TIM doens't that allowas him to control the Reapers?  Where was the foreshadowing that hinted at it?


Paragon Shepard has many good qualities that the Illusive Man does not. 

Like sanity, accepting of all, treating everyone as equals, selflessness, honor, modesty.

Really, the entirety of Mass Effect is a swan song to how Shepard is a cut above.

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HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Actually, Catalyst's Avatar looks at Shepard with great respect and wonderment. It can be determined by the avatar's head tilt. Satisfied/laughing (or whatever) humanoid person never stands like that.


I can never understand how you people are manging to see his experssion. respect, smirking, laghing, head tilt. I never manage to get any sort of any look from him. It's all to pale...


By the way. Did you notice that Catalist's Avatar face is even more transparent than usual in the moment mentioned above? You can't see its face at all, while in previous conversation you can recognize the kid's-from-earth face.

...So, it loses its face when Shepard's body is almost disintegrated. And then, Shepard's body and previous Catalist's Avatar disappears, only a field of energy remains. And a moment later the field goes into the control rods. This scene is a one more explanation that Shepard became a new Catalist in the Control Ending.

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 12:52 .


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The Night Mammoth wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Only Synthesis ending and Normandy crash scene are really ignore logic in current ending. This will be fixed in EC, I suppose.

About the storylines' detailed consequences - EC will add that to the game (epilogue), so don't worry.


Control completely contradicts Shepards entire fight against TIM.  What does Shepar have that TIM doens't that allowas him to control the Reapers?  Where was the foreshadowing that hinted at it?


Paragon Shepard has many good qualities that the Illusive Man does not. 

Like sanity, accepting of all, treating everyone as equals, selflessness, honor, modesty.

Really, the entirety of Mass Effect is a swan song to how Shepard is a cut above.


If the Geth cannot understand how the Reapers minds even work then why would Shepard's motivations have anything to do with his ability to control them.  Plus you can play the game as a Shepard that is completely opposite of the person you just described. 

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killage_wizard wrote...

Catalyst isn't trying to get Shepard to fail.  He is trying to indoctrinate him.  Or in other words try to get him to willingly pick Control or Synthesis.


Ahh, if he is trying to indoc Shep, it means the catlyst is trying to get Shepard to fail.

Why would the catalyst try to make Shepard only pick control or synthesis, if he also tell him/her about destroy? Couldn't he simply NOT tell him/her that? And if the catalsyt simply wanted Shepard to make a choice and he knew Shepard only wanted to destroy the reapers, wouldn't the tube be some sort of a trap? That seem more likley to me.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 30 mai 2012 - 12:57 .


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Seival wrote...

By the way. Did you notice that Catalist's Avatar face is even more transparent than usual in the moment mentioned above? You can't see its face at all, while in previous conversation you can recognize the kid's-from-earth face.

...So, it loses its face when Shepard's body is almost disintegrated. And then, Shepard's body and previous Catalist's Avatar disappears, only a field of energy remains. And a moment later the field goes into the control rods. This scene is a one more explanation that Shepard became a new Catalist 
in the Control Ending.


Nice catch! Didn't even think about that. Don't know if it truly means anything, but if Shepard does become the new catalyst, that would explain why I can't see anything from the catalsyt's god damm face!

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HagarIshay wrote...

killage_wizard wrote...

Catalyst isn't trying to get Shepard to fail.  He is trying to indoctrinate him.  Or in other words try to get him to willingly pick Control or Synthesis.


Ahh, if he is trying to inco Shep, it means the catlyst is trying to get Shepard to fail. Why would the catalyst try to make Shepard only pick control or synthesis, if he also tell him/her about destroy? Couldn't he simply NOT tell him/her that? And if the catalsyt simply wanted Shepard to make a choice and he knew Shepard only wanted to destroy the reapers, wouldn't the tube be some sort of a trap? That seem more likley to me.


Moreover, Catalist could just let Shepard to die in the lower chamber, if it really wanted Shepard to fail. Also it could "indo" Shepard in the lower chamber... Catalist has no reasons to lie and/or force Shepard to fail.

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killage_wizard wrote...

If the Geth cannot understand how the Reapers minds even work then why would Shepard's motivations have anything to do with his ability to control them.  


Now you're moving on to a completely different issue. 

Can Shepard control them? 

Maybe, maybe not. I roll the dice regardless. 


Plus you can play the game as a Shepard that is completely opposite of the person you just described. 


You could, but I don't, hence why I said 'Paragon' Shepard. 

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One more thing... I want to repost here one of my ideas about the endings, because I think that poor choice of the endings' OST also played its role in the endings misunderstanding... Don't get me wrong, current endings' OST is beautyful... But it also depressing. I strongly believe that ME3 endings should use inspiring music instead of depressing one. Maybe even different tracks for different endings:

I listened some of my favorite Two Steps From Hell songs on YouTube today... And somehow I wanted to see current Control Ending once more. I opened random Control Ending video exactly when my favorite song started to play... And that was TRUE WOW-EFFECT Image IPB

...I wanted to create a support video, but stopped when I realized that I might have a problem with getting licence for this song using. I don't know how to do it...

...So, if anyone wants to feel the TRUE EPICNESS here are instructions:

(1) Make sure you are in good mood.
(2) Relax.
(3) Open two vids below (BUT don't play them immediately)
(4) Make sure you can switch between the vids immediately
(5) Turn off the sound for Control Ending video
(6) Switch to music video, and press Play.
(7) Immediately switch to Control Ending video, and press Play.
(8) Enjoy Image IPB




This music should be used in EC for improved Control Ending... 


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Seival wrote...

One more thing... I want to repost here one of my ideas about the endings, because I think that poor choice of the endings' OST also played its role in the ending misunderstanding... Don't get me wrong, current endings' OST is beautyful... But it also depressing. I strongly believe that ME3 ending should use inspiring music instead of depressing one. Maybe even different tracks for different endings:

I listened some of my favorite Two Steps From Hell songs on YouTube today... And somehow I wanted to see current Control Ending once more. I opened random Control Ending video exactly when my favorite song started to play... And that was TRUE WOW-EFFECT Image IPB

...I wanted to create a support video, but stopped when I realized that I might have a problem with getting licence for this song using. I don't know how to do it...

...So, if anyone wants to feel the TRUE EPICNESS here are instructions:

(1) Make sure you are in good mood.
(2) Relax.
(3) ]Open two vids below (BUT don't play them immediately).[/color]
(4) ]Make sure you can switch between the vids immediately.[/color]
(5) ]Turn off the sound for Control Ending video.[/color]
(6) Switch to music video, and press Play.
(7) Immediately switch to Control Ending video, and press Play.
(8) Enjoy Image IPB




This music should be used in EC for improved Control Ending... 


Maybe you can place it in the original post, so everyone could see it when they come ^_^

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HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

One more thing... I want to repost here one of my ideas about the endings, because I think that poor choice of the endings' OST also played its role in the ending misunderstanding... Don't get me wrong, current endings' OST is beautyful... But it also depressing. I strongly believe that ME3 ending should use inspiring music instead of depressing one. Maybe even different tracks for different endings:

I listened some of my favorite Two Steps From Hell songs on YouTube today... And somehow I wanted to see current Control Ending once more. I opened random Control Ending video exactly when my favorite song started to play... And that was TRUE WOW-EFFECT Image IPB

...I wanted to create a support video, but stopped when I realized that I might have a problem with getting licence for this song using. I don't know how to do it...

...So, if anyone wants to feel the TRUE EPICNESS here are instructions:

(1) Make sure you are in good mood.
(2) Relax.
(3) ]Open two vids below (BUT don't play them immediately).[/color]
(4) ]Make sure you can switch between the vids immediately.[/color]
(5) ]Turn off the sound for Control Ending video.[/color]
(6) Switch to music video, and press Play.
(7) Immediately switch to Control Ending video, and press Play.
(8) Enjoy Image IPB




This music should be used in EC for improved Control Ending... 


Maybe you can place it in the original post, so everyone could see it when they come ^_^


...Hmm. Good idea :o

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Done. Thanks for the advice :)

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You could also put all banners in OP as well.

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Can someone explain why Citadel won't get destroyed after the control ending?

My theory was that in the Destroy/Synthesis ending there was no need for catalyst (child) to remain, so nobady controls it, and then it just simply explodes. So since Shepard controls the Reapers now, he controls Citadel too, did Shepard replaced that starchild and became a new Catalyst or something? For me it looks like that Shepard survives in some different form of life.

Modifié par T-N-Z, 30 mai 2012 - 02:40 .


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T-N-Z wrote...

Can someone explain why Citadel won't get destroyed after the control ending?

My theory was that in the Destroy/Synthesis ending there was no need for catalyst (child) to remain, so nobady controls it, and then it just simply explodes. So since Shepard controls the Reapers now, he controls Citadel too, did Shepard replaced that starchild and became a new Catalyst or something? For me it looks like that Shepard survives in some different form of life.


I think you've got it about right. I will also add control ending is bringing a smaller impact on the mass realys and citadel because the procces of control was already there. Synthesis and destroy are very different things than control, so it will bring something the reaper's tech does not used to, or not build for. 

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Mesina2 wrote...

You could also put all banners in OP as well.


Done. Thanks for advice :D

Nice avatar you have, by the way :o

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Seival wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

You could also put all banners in OP as well.


Done. Thanks for advice :D

Nice avatar you have, by the way :o


^_^

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T-N-Z wrote...

Can someone explain why Citadel won't get destroyed after the control ending?

My theory was that in the Destroy/Synthesis ending there was no need for catalyst (child) to remain, so nobady controls it, and then it just simply explodes. So since Shepard controls the Reapers now, he controls Citadel too, did Shepard replaced that starchild and became a new Catalyst or something? For me it looks like that Shepard survives in some different form of life.


Control = monitoring the situation and giving orders when needed.
Catalist = the only person/force that can Control the Reapers (I mean ships, not some hasks).

So, in order to Control the Reapers, Shepard has to become a new Catalist. And Catalist can only exist as organic whole with the Citadel... It's as simple as that.

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Seival wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

 Image IPB


IT is not an option... never was, and never will be.Image IPB



Wrong

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liggy002, why are you trying to ignore what BioWare already said?

"IT" is really not an option, and never will be an option for ME Trilogy. Endings were already set in stone, and will be only explained in more details with EC.

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liggy002 wrote...
Wrong


Wow, your argument is so convincing, you've won me over!

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 05:36 .