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[balance5050]

Seival wrote...

liggy002, why are you trying to ignore what BioWare already said?

"IT" is really not an option, and never will be an option for ME Trilogy. Endings were already set in stone, and will be only explained in more details with EC.

Link?

Don't spread misinformation, that's the devil's job...

[Gogzilla]

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

[The Night Mammoth]

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Don't choose it then, derp. 

[jijeebo]

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

[Ageless Face]

jijeebo wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

Even without being indoc he was a psycopath. Yet I don't remember the catalyst stating Shepard will have to kill organics for a sick expirement in order to control the reapers. And I don't remember Shepard believing s/he should control the world with the reapers under his/her sway.

Maybe control is not such a bad Idea after all, huh Gogzilla?

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

So you use the phrase "control is the means to survival" for your control support sig, even though he's an indoctrinated psychopath when he says it?

DOES NOT COMPUTE....

Also, only Harbinger says "assuming direct control", you guys need better sigs if you want to convince people that control will do anything but get Shep indoctrinated.

Modifié par balance5050, 30 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

So you use the phrase "control is the means to survival" for your control support sig, even though he's an indoctrinated psychopath when he says it?

DOES NOT COMPUTE....

Also, only Harbinger says "assuming direct control", you guys need better sigs if you want to convince people that control will do anything but get Shep indoctrinated.

Well I can't be bothered making my own sigs and this one looks the prettiest and still lets me have Jack and Morinth.



Also, you're obviously pro-Destroy anti-Control yet you continually post in the Control SUPPORT thread with no intention other than to slag it as an option?

DOES NOT COMPUTE...

[jijeebo]

HagarIshay wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

Even without being indoc he was a psycopath. Yet I don't remember the catalyst stating Shepard will have to kill organics for a sick expirement in order to control the reapers. And I don't remember Shepard believing s/he should control the world with the reapers under his/her sway.

Maybe control is not such a bad Idea after all, huh Gogzilla?

The "TIM wanted Control so it's an awful choice." mentality hurts.


Shepard achieved the possibility of Control under completely different circumstances... And as it stands it is just as valid as the other endings because the game at no point shows Shepard failing at it.


I don't get how people can be so against an ending they didn't pick.

[balance5050]

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

You just enjoy telling people they're stupid for interpreting events differently.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

You just enjoy telling people they're stupid for interpreting events differently.

I get no joy in commenting on other people's intelligence.

[balance5050]

But you're right.. I shall leave you brave souls alone.....

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

You just enjoy telling people they're stupid for interpreting events differently.

I get no joy in commenting on other people's intelligence.

Yet you've made a quite a habit of it.

[Ageless Face]

jijeebo wrote...


The "TIM wanted Control so it's an awful choice." mentality hurts.


Shepard achieved the possibility of Control under completely different circumstances... And as it stands it is just as valid as the other endings because the game at no point shows Shepard failing at it.


I don't get how people can be so against an ending they didn't pick.

What? No! I meant TIM was wrong about his methods and reaosns for control, but I still believe he had the right idea about controling the reapers, though I think control is a good choice for different ideals. The fact I have a "Assuming direct control" banner (thanks Seival for that, btw) Kind of saying I chose control .


I can understand why people are against a choice if they didn't pick it, that is because  they don't agree with it. What is more of a mystery to me is why the consistent of trying to find stuff that aren't there or repeating the same statement over and over, even if we dissmissed their claimes at least once in every page. Can't they just say: "I don't agree with this choice becasue I rather kill the reapers/ bring a new era for the galaxy"? I've seen only a few comments like that on the forums. What can I say, I have much respect for those people  .

Modifié par HagarIshay, 30 mai 2012 - 07:15 .

[jijeebo]

HagarIshay wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


The "TIM wanted Control so it's an awful choice." mentality hurts.


Shepard achieved the possibility of Control under completely different circumstances... And as it stands it is just as valid as the other endings because the game at no point shows Shepard failing at it.


I don't get how people can be so against an ending they didn't pick.

What? No! I meant TIM was wrong about his methods and reaosns for control, but I still believe he had the right idea about controling the reapers, though I think control is a good choice for different ideals. The fact I have a "Assuming direct control" banner (thanks Seival for that, btw) Kind of saying I chose control .

Oh no no no, that wasn't directed at you personally, I was speaking in general about other people who use that argument.
That's my bad for my dodgy wording.

I can understand why people are against a choice if they didn't pick it, that is because  they don't agree with it.

Yeah I guess, it's just the level of hate some people have towards Control that startles me.

What is more of a mystery to me is why the consistent of trying to find stuff that aren't there or repeating the same statement over and over, even if we dissmissed their claimes at least once in every page. Can't they just say: "I don't agree with this choice becasue I rather kill the reapers/ bring a new era for the galaxy"? I've seen only a few comments like that on the forums. What can I say, I have much respect for those people  .

I agree more people like that would be amazeballs, but with such vague endings I guess we're doomed to go around in circles until the EC blesses us with its presence.

[Seival]

balance5050 wrote...

Seival wrote...

liggy002, why are you trying to ignore what BioWare already said?

"IT" is really not an option, and never will be an option for ME Trilogy. Endings were already set in stone, and will be only explained in more details with EC.

Link?

Don't spread misinformation, that's the devil's job...

http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

...And if you don't believe official FAQ about EC, you may try to find a video about recent PAX meeting with fans. As far as I remember, there was an "IT" question, and the answer was "NO".

[Seival]

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

Then you should choose Control. Because in case of Destroy entire worlds will be full of dead and completely uncontrolled Reaper bodies. And if you remember ME2 well, then you should know that even destroyed Reapers can corrupt minds of organic beings... All these Reaper bodies can be removed, but it will require a lot of time... And it will involve a great risk to destroy all organic life forever, because corrupted people will start to fight each other.

...In short - you had only one TIM in ME2 and ME3. But you will get hundreds of TIMs after the Destroy Ending. I'm sure Galactic Civilization will have a chance to handle it in the end. But just imagine how much blood will be spilled for that...

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[Seival]

jijeebo wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Why did i shoot TIM if i was going to choose control

Because he was an indoctrinated psychopath?

Yes, because he was an indoctrinated psychopath...

...But even in that state he still had some good inside. That's why Shepard can convince TIM that his methods and his own corrupted view of control option were wrong... And don't forget that TIM actually did some paragon things in his life. We should not forget who resurrected Shepard... TIM deserves some good words too.

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 09:12 .

[vv238email]

Sorry but the title and signature are not helping your cause.

[Archontor]

Seival wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

Then you should choose Control. Because in case of Destroy entire worlds will be full of dead and completely uncontrolled Reaper bodies. And if you remember ME2 well, then you should know that even destroyed Reapers can corrupt minds of organic beings... All these Reaper bodies can be removed, but it will require a lot of time... And it will involve a great risk to destroy all organic life forever, because corrupted people will start to fight each other.

...In short - you had only one TIM in ME2 and ME3. But you will get hundreds of TIMs after the Destroy Ending. I'm sure Galactic Civilization will have a chance to handle it in the end. But just imagine how much blood will be spilled for that...

Ah yes, because an active Reaper body won't indoctrinate you?

[Seival]

vv238email wrote...

Sorry but the title and signature are not helping your cause.

Disagree.

...And sorry, but retakers really need to calm down already. Calm down and try to understand the endings concept.

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

Seival wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just don't want people to become indoctrinated.

Then you should choose Control. Because in case of Destroy entire worlds will be full of dead and completely uncontrolled Reaper bodies. And if you remember ME2 well, then you should know that even destroyed Reapers can corrupt minds of organic beings... All these Reaper bodies can be removed, but it will require a lot of time... And it will involve a great risk to destroy all organic life forever, because corrupted people will start to fight each other.

...In short - you had only one TIM in ME2 and ME3. But you will get hundreds of TIMs after the Destroy Ending. I'm sure Galactic Civilization will have a chance to handle it in the end. But just imagine how much blood will be spilled for that...

Ah yes, because an active Reaper body won't indoctrinate you?

Active Reapers are the hands of the Catalist. Catalist chooses how and when use the Reapers abilities. If Catalist chooses not to use mind-control abilities, then the Reapers will not try to possess anyone.

Destroyed Reapers are just a poisonous and radioactive remains that can just lie there and corrupt everything around them, and noone will be able to control that corruption.

In short: Nuclear power plants can provide you with pure energy. But you know what happens when such power plants become destroyed and uncontrolled... Many people will suffer before this problem will be solved.

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[Hadeedak]

I sort of wonder about the "SHEPARD WILL BECOME CORRUPTED" crowd. Whatever else she/he becomes after Control, I'm not sure organic behaviors apply.

I usually read it as "Shepard's totally dead, but her morals (her 'code') has upgraded the reapers and left a print on the Citadel." Yeah, part of the reason I like control (and there's a lot) is for fun plot bunnies afterwards. The other part is that it's the most active way of killing Shepard off. She/he really has to fight to hang onto that beam as it rips her apart, which was brutal and awesome.

Also blue is pretty.

[Archontor]

[/quote]

"Active Reapers are the hands of the Catalist. Catalist chooses how and when use the Reapers abilities. If Catalist chooses not to use mind-control abilities, then the Reapers will not try to possess anyone.

Destroyed Reapers are just a poisonous and radioactive remains that can just lie there and corrupt everything around them, and noone will be able to control that corruption.

In short: Nuclear power plants can provide you with pure energy. But you know what happens when such power plants become destroyed and uncontrolled... Many people will suffer before this problem will be solved."
[/quote] 

Pure hypothesis. The reaper in the brown dwarf was able to indoctrinate even after death as you know. This suggests that their indoctrination abilities are autonomic and do not require conscious control or are actualy innate to their construction. 

Modifié par Archontor, 30 mai 2012 - 10:21 .

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

"Active Reapers are the hands of the Catalist. Catalist chooses how and when use the Reapers abilities. If Catalist chooses not to use mind-control abilities, then the Reapers will not try to possess anyone.

Destroyed Reapers are just a poisonous and radioactive remains that can just lie there and corrupt everything around them, and noone will be able to control that corruption.

In short: Nuclear power plants can provide you with pure energy. But you know what happens when such power plants become destroyed and uncontrolled... Many people will suffer before this problem will be solved."

 

Pure hypothesis. The reaper in the brown dwarf was able to indoctrinate even after death as you know. This suggests that their indoctrination abilities are autonomic and do not require conscious control or are actualy innate to their construction. 

Disagree. This only suggests that their uncontrolled remains are poisonous for the minds of organic beings.

...And ok, let's view this from the other side. Let's say they are always poisonous. But this is even greater reason to Control them, and then move them as far away as you can.

Modifié par Seival, 30 mai 2012 - 10:38 .