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[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, but the Tweet was deleted. They told us a great deal.

Sad, but that's what happens where I come from. You always do peer review in a collaborative project.

Eventually, the spider get's tangled in it's own web and dies. That's what hubris does to you in the industry. I was concerned about this and lo and behold it happened.

They should just promote Weekes into the spot.

[Taboo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, but the Tweet was deleted. They told us a great deal.

Sad, but that's what happens where I come from. You always do peer review in a collaborative project.

Eventually, the spider get's tangled in it's own web and dies. That's what hubris does to you in the industry. I was concerned about this and lo and behold it happened.

They should just promote Weekes into the spot.

The most capable man for the job is Weekes. He could do it and do it right. The job is at Montreal as well, which means that Edmonton doesn't even have control now!

BAHAHAHAHAHA.

Walters insulted his audience and paid the price. I feel bad for him but I don't think that he didn't deserve it.

As awful as that makes me sound I cannot stress how often I wished people got what they deserved where I come from. You just don't anger the audience, whether you are making an art film or a mainstream film.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, but the Tweet was deleted. They told us a great deal.

Sad, but that's what happens where I come from. You always do peer review in a collaborative project.

Eventually, the spider get's tangled in it's own web and dies. That's what hubris does to you in the industry. I was concerned about this and lo and behold it happened.

They should just promote Weekes into the spot.

The most capable man for the job is Weekes. He could do it and do it right. The job is at Montreal as well, which means that Edmonton doesn't even have control now!

BAHAHAHAHAHA.

Walters insulted his audience and paid the price. I feel bad for him but I don't think that he didn't deserve it.

As awful as that makes me sound I cannot stress how often I wished people got what they deserved where I come from. You just don't anger the audience, whether you are making an art film or a mainstream film.

I always wonder how Scott would have reacted have he had been an ME fan...

I suspect many lulz would be had at his raging. 

[Hadeedak]

I always wondered how you get a job writing video games.

Seems like a bit of a brutal process, and I've long since learned fans are meaner than critics. Or most professors.

[Reptilian Rob]

Hadeedak wrote...

I always wondered how you get a job writing video games.

Seems like a bit of a brutal process, and I've long since learned fans are meaner than critics. Or most professors.

Actually it's quite easy, have at least 5+ years of dev work under your belt and posses the writing skills of a community college student. 

If you actually do something to **** that up, god help you. 

[NoSpin]

I'll debate Synthesis all day, but Control sticks out (to me) as the obvious wrong choice. Shepard tells everyone all game that Control of the reapers is the wrong thing to do, specifically that it isn't possible. Yet now everyone just buys into the logic of the king of the reapers that Control is totally possible as long as they aren't already controlling you.

Well Saren knew he was being controlled right? Nope... TIM? Nope.... With what little information we are given (and looking at the source of said info) I can't draw the conclusion that I am not being controlled. Even if you take the ending as is, and Control does end up calling the reapers off, I can't see how anyone who is in that position, with their finger on the "End the Reapers once and for all button" can take that risk with the whole Galaxy at stake. All evidence up to the space kid says Control is a no-no, and you let one line of dialog from the head Reaper change that?

[Taboo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

I always wondered how you get a job writing video games.

Seems like a bit of a brutal process, and I've long since learned fans are meaner than critics. Or most professors.

Actually it's quite easy, have at least 5+ years of dev work under your belt and posses the writing skills of a community college student. 

If you actually do something to **** that up, god help you. 

Actually, I've seen people with no writing experience do better. Take indie filmmakers for instance.

The fail...is amazing.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

I always wondered how you get a job writing video games.

Seems like a bit of a brutal process, and I've long since learned fans are meaner than critics. Or most professors.

Actually it's quite easy, have at least 5+ years of dev work under your belt and posses the writing skills of a community college student. 

If you actually do something to **** that up, god help you. 

Actually, I've seen people with no writing experience do better. Take indie filmmakers for instance.

The fail...is amazing.

In the gaming sector they require 5+ years of experience for any lead position. Other than that it's clear sailing, if you **** that up it must be something so ilogical and stupid that Spock would die of mental collapse. 

The fail is indeed strong. 

[Taboo]

Five years? FIVE?

What the hell happened?

I'm going to die of mental collapse. I'm not even thirty yet and I doubt I'll ever see something top this EVER.

Not even Showgirls matches this. Good GOD.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Five years? FIVE?

What the hell happened?

I'm going to die of mental collapse. I'm not even thirty yet and I doubt I'll ever see something top this EVER.

Not even Showgirls matches this. Good GOD.

Yeah, for a lead position in the vidja 5+ years in the industry is required. 

[Seival]

killage_wizard wrote...

Seival wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Seival wrote...

liggy002, why are you trying to ignore what BioWare already said?

"IT" is really not an option, and never will be an option for ME Trilogy. Endings were already set in stone, and will be only explained in more details with EC.

Link?

Don't spread misinformation, that's the devil's job...

http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

...And if you don't believe official FAQ about EC, you may try to find a video about recent PAX meeting with fans. As far as I remember, there was an "IT" question, and the answer was "NO".

I.T, Doesn't actuallly change the ending though.  The EC may very easily confirm I.T. just as easily as it could finally debunk it.  Also, I saw the PAX interview, and the answer was far from "no".  I don't know the exact wording, but it was something to the effect of "no comment".

All three endings were designed to show different methods to stop the Reapers. And "IT" can only be considered as a critical mission failure, not the ending. If you consider critical mission failure as an ending, then ME3 has hundreds of endings, because Shepard can die in any combat... This is silly.

...When pro-ITs will finally understand that IT is not an option, they will probably start to speculate about the concensus mission. They may start to tell everyone that Shepard didn't actually left a Virtual Reality, and everything after that mission is just a dream... This will be even more silly than "IT".

[CroGamer002]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Walters is a very morbid writer.

He's obsessed with death (in his writing). The maniac was responsible for Mordin's death.

Patrick Weeks and John Dombrow were responsible for Mordin's death.


Also, from leaked script on Thessia you had to make a choice to same Liara or other squadmate, but didn't happen.
And I think Walters is responsible for Thessia.



So no, Mac Walters is NOT obsessed with death.
He's in fact obsessed with mysteries.

I mean, he and Casey are also responsible for that horrible Tali picture, instead of seeing her in game.
Why? To keep mystery with Tali's face.<_<

[Seival]

killage_wizard wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

I would have to disagree, considering I spent 30 hours trying to not get killed by reapers and their troops... Right up to the charging of the conduit.

Plus the reapers are winning, all they need to do is let Shepard bleed to death and they'll destroy the Crucible before any other attempts can be made at activating it and they're home and dry.

But part of the reason for indoctrination is so that people willingly give up without a fight.  What better way to convince at least the Alliance into giving up the fight than having there biggest celebrity as the Reaper spokesperson claiming he has control over the Reapers?

First of all, Shepard proved that she is immune to indoctrination. Two biggest proofs of that are Arrival DLC in ME2 and final conversation with TIM in ME3. Besides, she had more or less close contacts with the Reaper tech for a very long time. This means that Shepard is actually one of the most strong-willed organic beings in the entire Galactic Civilization.

Second, and more importantly: Catalist has no reasons to indoctrinate Shepard just like it has no reasons to lie to Shepard.

Third, and the most important: all endings (including Control) show different ways to stop the Reapers. They doesn't show dreams or hallucinations.

...The only reason for "IT" speculations was a reluctance of some players to try to understand the endings with clear mind. 

[CroGamer002]

^I'll actually disagree on Shepard is immune to indoctrination.


No organic is immune to it.

You can only resist it for a while and depending on a person, it can take longer.

Saren and Illusive Man needed decades to be fully indoctrinated.
And that should be the same case with Shepard.

It's established since ME1 that Shepard is a person with very strong mind.


Plus, some of our squadmates were in contact with Reaper indoctrination almost as much as Shepard.
Why aren't they indoctrinated as well?

[Ageless Face]

Okay, So I tried to think about who from Shepard's squad will support control (just becasue i'm bored).There are too many people who think because Shepard's friends have said once or twice they want the reapers dead, it means they will surely choose destroy. So I thought about it, and some of the squad will actually choose control:

Mordin and Wrex (?) from the same reason- Meylon's data. They decided that no matter how sick the experiments were, the knowlage behind it was worth to save the krogan population. Same for TIM and Shepard. Though TIM had done so many unethical things, he was still right about control. With Mordin, I have no doubt he will choose control. Wrex, If it were his people on the line, he would choose control in a heartbeat. So I count Wrex, though It can be argued.

Legion- The obvious reason of saving his people. However, I don't believe he would have chosen synthesis as an option, since it seems to me the geth are proud being what they are, and don't want a merge with organics (I'm not a synthesis hated or something, just what I interpreted from the game).

Miranda- She is a practicle woman. Wanting to put a control chip in Shepard, salvaging Legion, working with cerberus for the advancements of the human race, knowing her genes are practicle (up to the point she thinks she is not good enough without them). While those things are not her best moments in the game, it's still enough to say why she will choose this option if she would be given the option. Even if not for saving the synthetics, she will still choose to control the reapers for advancements. And she likes to be in control of things.

Tali (?)- I know for sure she will not choose destroy if the geth are alive, since there will be peace between the quarians and geth, and the geth are now helping the quarians to rebuild. I'm unsure whether Tali will choose synthesis or control. My bet is on control, since even if the the quarians and geth are allies now, there will always be a suspision on both sides.


Okay, that's about it. Think of anyone else who will choose control?

[Seival]

NoSpin wrote...

I'll debate Synthesis all day, but Control sticks out (to me) as the obvious wrong choice. Shepard tells everyone all game that Control of the reapers is the wrong thing to do, specifically that it isn't possible. Yet now everyone just buys into the logic of the king of the reapers that Control is totally possible as long as they aren't already controlling you.

Well Saren knew he was being controlled right? Nope... TIM? Nope.... With what little information we are given (and looking at the source of said info) I can't draw the conclusion that I am not being controlled. Even if you take the ending as is, and Control does end up calling the reapers off, I can't see how anyone who is in that position, with their finger on the "End the Reapers once and for all button" can take that risk with the whole Galaxy at stake. All evidence up to the space kid says Control is a no-no, and you let one line of dialog from the head Reaper change that?

The point is that there are no "wrong" or "right" choices in ME Trilogy. There are different choices. Someone likes Control... Someone likes Destroy... And it looks like noone can understand Synthesis, which really requires much more explanations than Control and Destroy.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

^I'll actually disagree on Shepard is immune to indoctrination.


No organic is immune to it.

You can only resist it for a while and depending on a person, it can take longer.

Saren and Illusive Man needed decades to be fully indoctrinated.
And that should be the same case with Shepard.

It's established since ME1 that Shepard is a person with very strong mind.


Plus, some of our squadmates were in contact with Reaper indoctrination almost as much as Shepard.
Why aren't they indoctrinated as well?

Well, at least she is incredibly resistant to it. Either way Shepard can't be indoctrinated in minutes, hours, days or months. It will require much more time. So we can actually say that she is Immune, at least in given time limits.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay, So I tried to think about who from Shepard's squad will support control (just becasue i'm bored).There are too many people who think because Shepard's friends have said once or twice they want the reapers dead, it means they will surely choose destroy. So I thought about it, and some of the squad will actually choose control:

Mordin and Wrex (?) from the same reason- Meylon's data. They decided that no matter how sick the experiments were, the knowlage behind it was worth to save the krogan population. Same for TIM and Shepard. Though TIM had done so many unethical things, he was still right about control. With Mordin, I have no doubt he will choose control. Wrex, If it were his people on the line, he would choose control in a heartbeat. So I count Wrex, though It can be argued.

Legion- The obvious reason of saving his people. However, I don't believe he would have chosen synthesis as an option, since it seems to me the geth are proud being what they are, and don't want a merge with organics (I'm not a synthesis hated or something, just what I interpreted from the game).

Miranda- She is a practicle woman. Wanting to put a control chip in Shepard, salvaging Legion, working with cerberus for the advancements of the human race, knowing her genes are practicle (up to the point she thinks she is not good enough without them). While those things are not her best moments in the game, it's still enough to say why she will choose this option if she would be given the option. Even if not for saving the synthetics, she will still choose to control the reapers for advancements. And she likes to be in control of things.

Tali (?)- I know for sure she will not choose destroy if the geth are alive, since there will be peace between the quarians and geth, and the geth are now helping the quarians to rebuild. I'm unsure whether Tali will choose synthesis or control. My bet is on control, since even if the the quarians and geth are allies now, there will always be a suspision on both sides.


Okay, that's about it. Think of anyone else who will choose control?

Very good question, by the way.

Liara will 100% choose Control... The same way she has chosen to become a new Shadowbroker instead of destroying his network. Liara assumed direct control of previous Shadowbroker's resources and operatives to do a lot of good. And this power didn't corrupt her.

Modifié par Seival, 31 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[JA Shepard]

It's not necessarily a given that the catalyst can indoctrinate anyone. Even those of us that like control treat it as if it is without questioning whether it's possible. It may control the Reapers but it may not have the same capabilities. The Reapers are its tools to carry out the cycle. Their methods of conducting the cycles may have been developed or evolved in a way that the catalyst itself could not duplicate.

Beyond my belief that he isn't attempting to indoctrinate Shepard, I'm also starting to consider that he couldn't indoctrinate Shepard if he wanted to.

I also wonder if the Crucible affects the catalyst's own control of the Reapers, which is what causes him to need a new solution. Things are happening that haven't before and the catalyst may be recognizing that the cycles are no longer stable and predictable, and that may eventaually be a bigger threat to organics overall if he can no longer have control of all these reapers wandering around with no direction from above.

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...


Very good question, by the way.

Liara will 100% choose Control... The same way she has chosen to become a new Shadowbroker instead of destroying his network. Liara assumed direct control of previous Shadowbroker's resources and operatives to do a lot of good. And this power didn't corrupt her.

Oooh, how could I forget about that?!?!? Such an idiot. Yes, Liara will definitely choose control.

[Shepard Wins]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...


Very good question, by the way.

Liara will 100% choose Control... The same way she has chosen to become a new Shadowbroker instead of destroying his network. Liara assumed direct control of previous Shadowbroker's resources and operatives to do a lot of good. And this power didn't corrupt her.

Oooh, how could I forget about that?!?!? Such an idiot. Yes, Liara will definitely choose control.

A valid parallel but completely different situations. Controlling Shadow Broker network didn't involve Reapers.

[Ageless Face]

Shepard Wins wrote...


A valid parallel but completely different situations. Controlling Shadow Broker network didn't involve Reapers.

 Would Liara not choose to control the reapers for the casues of advancements, idealism, practicality, knowlage, and saving the synthetics ? Liara is very practicle, the fact she is the shadow broker proves that. She will not let the knowlage and the reaper's power go to waste.  Liara would defenetily not desroy the reapers, and I'm pretty sure she will not choose synthesis, because there will be no gain for the things she wants to advance in the galaxy (at least not that we know of).

Modifié par HagarIshay, 31 mai 2012 - 11:02 .

[Ageless Face]

JA Shepard wrote...

It's not necessarily a given that the catalyst can indoctrinate anyone. Even those of us that like control treat it as if it is without questioning whether it's possible. It may control the Reapers but it may not have the same capabilities. The Reapers are its tools to carry out the cycle. Their methods of conducting the cycles may have been developed or evolved in a way that the catalyst itself could not duplicate.

Beyond my belief that he isn't attempting to indoctrinate Shepard, I'm also starting to consider that he couldn't indoctrinate Shepard if he wanted to.

I also wonder if the Crucible affects the catalyst's own control of the Reapers, which is what causes him to need a new solution. Things are happening that haven't before and the catalyst may be recognizing that the cycles are no longer stable and predictable, and that may eventaually be a bigger threat to organics overall if he can no longer have control of all these reapers wandering around with no direction from above.

Most pepole who think the catalsyt is able to indoc Shepard think that the catalyst is actually a reaper in disguise, or a hillucination on Shepard's part, so It's not really the catalyst who is indoctrinating Shepard. But I've yet to see a reason why he would indoctrinate Shepard.  

Modifié par HagarIshay, 31 mai 2012 - 11:04 .

[JA Shepard]

Samara makes an interesting comment on The Citadel. She states that normally her Justicar code would mean showing no mercy and giving no quarter to the enemy, but she's not certain if the code accounts for an enemy on the scale of the Reapers. I would think that she would be absolute about the need to kill all the Reapers, but that comment was really eye opening. I'd still place her in the "maybe" column of those who could support control, but that's a dramatic shift for her.

[Ageless Face]

JA Shepard wrote...

Samara makes an interesting comment on The Citadel. She states that normally her Justicar code would mean showing no mercy and giving no quarter to the enemy, but she's not certain if the code accounts for an enemy on the scale of the Reapers. I would think that she would be absolute about the need to kill all the Reapers, but that comment was really eye opening. I'd still place her in the "maybe" column of those who could support control, but that's a dramatic shift for her.

Yeah I'm also pretty conflicted about her. On the one hand her code would tell her to destroy the reapers. On the other hand though... When she fought against Nihlus, she saved the innocent insted of killing him.

I have no idea if her code is considering the geth expandeble, or if they are equally imprtant as any other organics. She is an unknown.