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[The Angry One]

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

[MegaSovereign]

Shallyah wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...


That's headcanoning. There is no real reason to believe Shepard would come to the same conclusion and continue the cycle. The canon plot is that no matter what Shepard ends the reaper threat..

It's merely thinking reasonably given the precedents and the information we have. 

You want to believe Shepard will become a god and will retain his full identity while remaining eternally in full control of the Reapers. That's cool. You can believe My Little Pony is based on real facts, too.

However you do not have any information to prove anything of what you "believe". The only headcanon here is yours.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You're the one assuming that Shepard will lose control.

[Shaigunjoe]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Catalyst is an AI that has been in a feedback loop for millions of years.

Big shocker here: He hasn't taken in any new data in that time because he doesn't let things develop to a point where Synthetics are even around for a period of time.

He's a machine with a cold, dignified purpose. He is responsible for well over two quintillion deaths and has never factored in any new information.

Daisy Bell dies when I shoot the pipe. No one should have that level of control, EVER.

You keep using the term feedback loop, but I do not think you know what it means.

In a feedback loop, something needs to be fedback, you go onto say that he does not take any new data, if he did take in new data then it would be a feedback loop, otherwise its just a loop, as far as control theory is concerned it sounds more like an open loop.  Though it certainly makes it sound that its not an AI we are dealing with but just a program with an open loop control law.

[ghost9191]

Shallyah wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...


That's headcanoning. There is no real reason to believe Shepard would come to the same conclusion and continue the cycle. The canon plot is that no matter what Shepard ends the reaper threat..

It's merely thinking reasonably given the precedents and the information we have. We know roughly the capacity of a human brain, a vague estimation of the volume of the Reaper datastream, and what happened to a person with a brain 10 times more developped than Shepard's when he tried to control machines.

You want to believe Shepard will become a god and will retain his full identity while remaining eternally in full control of the Reapers. That's cool. You can believe My Little Pony is based on real facts, too.

However you do not have any information to prove anything of what you "believe". The only headcanon here is yours.

My little pony isnt based on real facts? 

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

The text box is as useless as the epilogue. Even more so, because it's a DLC advertisment.
Sorry, but you'll have to do better than a generic epilogue scene on planet Inbred and metagaming.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[Shallyah]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You're the one assuming that Shepard will lose control.

No. The canon plot is that the Reapers momentarily leave Earth.

Objective data we have is:

* The capacity of a human brain.
* Vague estimation of the volume of the Reaper datastream.
* What happened to David Archer when he attempted to control a small AI network. (with a brain 10 times the capacity of an average human)

I use this information to conclude that Shepard will fail.

You choose to believe that he will succeed, without any proof or data, simply space magic.

Ball's in your court.

Modifié par Shallyah, 01 juin 2012 - 05:26 .

[ghost9191]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

so you choose control based on a argument made by someone indoctrinated?

Modifié par ghost9191, 01 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[The Night Mammoth]

ghost9191 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

so you choose control based on a arguement made by someone indoctrinated?

BioWare are indoctrinated?

The veil between fact and fiction grows thin. Madness is close. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 juin 2012 - 05:27 .

[ghost9191]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

so you choose control based on a arguement made by someone indoctrinated?

BioWare are indoctrinated?

The veil between fact and fiction grows thin. Madness is close. 

i was talking about his signature, that was said by TIM and kei leng

[MegaSovereign]

Shallyah wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You're the one assuming that Shepard will lose control.

No. The canon plot is that the Reapers momentarily leave Earth.

Objective data we have is:

* The capacity of a human brain.
* Vague estimation of the volume of the Reaper datastream.
* What happened to David Archer when he attempted to control a small AI network. (with a brain 10 times the capacity of an average human)

I use this information to conclude that Shepard will fail.

You choose to believe that he will succeed, without any proof or data, simply space magic.

Ball's in your court.

You're comparing space jesus to some autistic kid.

Shepard cheated death and banged every blue chick in the galaxy. He has no equal.

Seriously though. Shepard isn't human anymore, clearly after that ending >.>. He probably keeps control the same way the catalyst does...

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You can argue that it's terribly executed and that Bioware should have included a proper epilogue, but that's about it.

[The Angry One]

I've noticed a lot of people toting those sigs (along with the Saren/synthesis one) seemingly without realising the irony behind them.

[The Night Mammoth]

ghost9191 wrote...

i was talking about his signature, that was said by TIM and kei leng

The text box at the end telling you the Reaper threat is over was typed and implemented by the hands of a BioWare designer. 

He chooses control for different reasons, I assume they don't include "because TIM and asian cereal fetish man said it, and I agree". 

I likewise, have reasons that do not include that. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[The Night Mammoth]

The Angry One wrote...

I've noticed a lot of people toting those sigs (along with the Saren/synthesis one) seemingly without realising the irony behind them.

Which is why, even though I advocate control in all its moronic glory, I'd never do something as strange as using a racist, insane, and indoctrinated psychopath's words as a means to support my choice. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 01 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[M Hedonist]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You're the one assuming that Shepard will lose control.

No. The canon plot is that the Reapers momentarily leave Earth.

Objective data we have is:

* The capacity of a human brain.
* Vague estimation of the volume of the Reaper datastream.
* What happened to David Archer when he attempted to control a small AI network. (with a brain 10 times the capacity of an average human)

I use this information to conclude that Shepard will fail.

You choose to believe that he will succeed, without any proof or data, simply space magic.

Ball's in your court.

You're comparing space jesus to some autistic kid.

Shepard cheated death and banged every blue chick in the galaxy. He has no equal.

Seriously though. Shepard isn't human anymore, clearly after that ending >.>. He probably keeps control the same way the catalyst does...

wat

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You're comparing space jesus to some autistic kid.

Shepard cheated death and banged every blue chick in the galaxy. He has no equal.

Seriously though. Shepard isn't human anymore, clearly after that ending >.>. He probably keeps control the same way the catalyst does...

How?

The canon plot is that shepard ends the reaper threat. You can argue that it's terribly executed and that Bioware should have included a proper epilogue, but that's about it.

Well since you want to play nitpickery so will I.
The DLC advertisment states "Shepard has ended the Reaper threat.". It does not say they have ended the Reaper threat forever. Therefore it is saying that Shepard has ended the [current] Reaper threat.
Which they do, even capitulation will "end" a threat if only because the enemy no longer has a reason to kill you.

It doesn't even imply that Shepard won't go on to be a threat on their own some time after.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 juin 2012 - 05:38 .

[MegaSovereign]

The Angry One wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

The text box is as useless as the epilogue. Even more so, because it's a DLC advertisment.
Sorry, but you'll have to do better than a generic epilogue scene on planet Inbred and metagaming.

Complain to Bioware about it.

I don't have to do ****. Bioware would have shown us that Shepard loses control if that was what they intended.

[ghost9191]

you have your reasons and he has his, if he wishes to say his are different then he can. but i doubt you can claim his reasons are different , i just mean your not him so you shouldn't know what his reasons are unless you talked before, or unless you are him then whatever i don't really care

[MegaSovereign]

ghost9191 wrote...

you have your reasons and he has his, if he wishes to say his are different then he can. but i doubt you can claim his reasons are different , i just mean your not him so you shouldn't know what his reasons are unless you talked before, or unless you are him then whatever i don't really care

They are different. He's right. Why would I choose control just because TIM wants it? I choose control because it's the most practical way to end the threat without doing massive amounts of damage.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 01 juin 2012 - 05:40 .

[The Night Mammoth]

ghost9191 wrote...

you have your reasons and he has his, if he wishes to say his are different then he can. but i doubt you can claim his reasons are different , i just mean your not him so you shouldn't know what his reasons are unless you talked before, or unless you are him then whatever i don't really care

Why can't I? 

I assumed, not stated as fact. 

You talked about something unrelated to the point he was talking about. Whatever his reasons are, I doubt they include because he agrees with the Illusive Man. 

[ghost9191]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I really wish people would stop using the epilogue scene as proof of anything.
It is so vague and removed from events that it's exactly the same for all 3 endings. It tells us nothing. For all we know the entire galaxy's burning while these two fools watch the stars. How would they know any better?

Not just the epilogue scene. But that textbox too.

Shepard ended the reaper threat. Deal with it.

The text box is as useless as the epilogue. Even more so, because it's a DLC advertisment.
Sorry, but you'll have to do better than a generic epilogue scene on planet Inbred and metagaming.

Complain to Bioware about it.

I don't have to do ****. Bioware would have shown us that Shepard loses control if that was what they intended.

they didn;'t really show shepard having control either, just that the reapers left after shepard gave into them . i mean the catalyst couldve got what it wanted and left, no way for sure to know shepard has control because they didn't give us sh*t for details

[ghost9191]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

you have your reasons and he has his, if he wishes to say his are different then he can. but i doubt you can claim his reasons are different , i just mean your not him so you shouldn't know what his reasons are unless you talked before, or unless you are him then whatever i don't really care

Why can't I? 

I assumed, not stated as fact. 

You talked about something unrelated to the point he was talking about. Whatever his reasons are, I doubt they include because he agrees with the Illusive Man. 

which i am saying that you can't really know for sure. you can doubt and guess but who knows, only he does thats the thing, and i don't really care  i just threw in my 2 cents about something

[MegaSovereign]

How are they suppose to show Shepard KEEPING control.... If Shepard losing control is what Bioware intended, then they would have shown it outright...or at least hinted in some way IN THAT SCENE.

All we have to go by is that the Reapers leave and you get a text box saying you ended the reaper threat.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 01 juin 2012 - 05:42 .

[M Hedonist]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Complain to Bioware about it.

I don't have to do ****. Bioware would have shown us that Shepard loses control if that was what they intended.

You know, there's always the possibility it was all just a dream and Bioware intended the ending to feel surreal and unfinished

Yeah, I'm hopeful.

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...

How are they suppose to show Shepard KEEPING control....

Proper epilogue scenes?