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[Sisterofshane]

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot?

In the leaked script, he essentially becomes the new Catalyst, and resides "in" the Citadel for the rest of time.

In the ending we currently have, he dies.  He loses everything.

[Shepard Wins]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

You realize the same can be said for just about every thread about 'my choice was right because'.

Everyone is trying to make their choice sound like the correct one, when really it's just left up to us to decide what is right.

Even though I think all 3 are equally ****ty, and don't really solve the over-arching problem.

This, thank you.

I know YOU ain't talking: entering this thread and contributing nothing more than "Lol no."

But when I alledge something against Destroy supporters (something they prove right by their posts on the first page of this very thread) you run to this guy and agree with this guy that "it's up to us to decide, we shouldn't make our choice sound like the correct one."

Denial - not a river in Africa.

Lol it is.

On a more serious note: I should have bolded the part that I bolded now. Destroy is just slightly less ****ty than Control and Controll is slightly less ****ty than Synthesis.

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 27 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot?

Information is largely absent in-game. 

Writer's intent is the only place you'll likely find anything. 

I assume that the writer meant for Shepard to effectively become the new Catalyst, in control of the Reapers to an unknown extent and for an undisclosed amount of time. 

In doing so, she loses her organic form and ability to live among her friends and allies, she 'lives' in the Citadel like the old Catalyst, but can buy the galaxy a better future. 

The major theme surrounding it is 'power corrupts'. The Illusive Man is the textbook corrupt villain whose intentions would not have survived, he would have gone insane, more insane to be fair, or died in the attempt. Shepard is the opposte, strong-willed, pure of heart and intention, she can control them at the cost of herself. 

[CroGamer002]

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot or something like that?

Nobody knows.


Though I did ask Weekes on Twitter on that too.

My question was does shepard become Citadel like EDI is Normandy.

He said he knows answer on that question, but will not answer it until after EC is out.


So I honestly think that thing happens.

Modifié par Mesina2, 27 mai 2012 - 06:30 .

[Ageless Face]

Funkdrspot wrote...


- So the catalyst isn't lying because it's the end of the game? That's the most contrived storyline in the history of existence.

Sad, but true. If he is lying, then the game is not over, the ending was not the ending, and we were sold unfinished product. And that is unfair to say the least.

[dreamgazer]

Mesina2 wrote...

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot or something like that?

Nobody knows.


Though I did ask Weekes on Twitter on that too.

My question was does shepard become Citadel like EDI is Normandy.

He said he knows answer on that question, but will not answer it until after EC is out.


So I honestly think that thing happens.

Makes you wonder if Shepard could do what EDI eventually does, too: funnel his/her essence into a cybernetic body to interact with the organic world. 

[CroGamer002]

dreamgazer wrote...

Makes you wonder if Shepard could do what EDI eventually does, too: funnel his/her essence into a cybernetic body to interact with the organic world. 

If he can control Reapers, then he sure as hell could control that.

[Bat32391]

Mesina2 wrote...

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot or something like that?

Nobody knows.


Though I did ask Weekes on Twitter on that too.

My question was does shepard become Citadel like EDI is Normandy.

He said he knows answer on that question, but will not answer it until after EC is out.


So I honestly think that thing happens.

Edit: ninja'd nevermind

Modifié par Bat32391, 27 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[Seival]

Bat32391 wrote...

So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot or something like that?

She becomes a new Catalist, because the story proved that Reapers obey only orders from current Catalist.

[mango smoothie]

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makes you wonder if Shepard could do what EDI eventually does, too: funnel his/her essence into a cybernetic body to interact with the organic world. 

If he can control Reapers, then he sure as hell could control that.

My brother headcanon something like that.

[knightnblu]

Just because control is the least of multiple evils doesn't mean that it is the best solution. Destroy would have taken out an entire race of synthetics and EDI as well, synthesis is an abomination, and control slaves Shepard into the Reapers. I would much prefer to destroy each and every Reaper in the galaxy and the Catalyst as well without harming my allies and friends. That should have been the paragon choice and I really expected to die accomplishing it.
 
Instead, I died accomplishing nothing or so I thought before BioWare got on "the light is both off and on" paradigm with the mass relays. That is, exploding mass relays are both good and bad simultaneously. Who knows, maybe BioWare will bring Santa Claus into the mix by having him be the accidental creator of the Reapers at the North Pole and it will be fully explained with maximal clarity with DLC.
 
None of the three choices (hear that Casey, three not sixteen) were good ones. I never expected to survive the final confrontation. In fact, I fully expected to die accomplishing my objectives. I was even prepared to sacrifice the Normandy to achieve my objectives and in the worst case scenario, I was prepared to sacrifice Earth if it meant the death of the Reapers.
 
None of us won anything with the three choices presented us at the end of ME3. At best, it is a compromise with evil. I didn't pay hundreds of dollars, play hundreds of hours, and read three books to compromise with evil. I wanted to kick its ****. BioWare prevented me from doing that and tossed out all of my choices along the way to boot and called it artistic integrity while they counted their money.
 
Frankly, I don't see how supporting one bad choice over the other bad choices makes any sense in the context of not being able to win. In effect, you are accepting the lose/lose/lose situation by celebrating your favorite loss. Had there been a fourth option in which I could have decided to go conventional against the Reapers I would have taken it.
 
My odds of success were even, organic thought is far more flexible than synthetic, and even if we lost, we would have won because the Reapers would only have a Pyrrhic victory. Since the Catalyst was truly in control of the Reaper fleet, the destruction of the Citadel would leave the Reaper fleets disorganized and without coordination and allow allied forces to exploit factional weakness within the enemy as they developed in their attempt to establish dominance over their fellows. In other words, the Battle of Sol would have broken the Reapers back just as the Normandy invasion broke the German's.
 
But none of that happened. We were stuck with a goat and that is where we find ourselves today. I don't mean to rain on your parade and I recognize that you are certainly entitled to your views, I just don't share them.

[Bat32391]

mango smoothie wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makes you wonder if Shepard could do what EDI eventually does, too: funnel his/her essence into a cybernetic body to interact with the organic world. 

If he can control Reapers, then he sure as hell could control that.

My brother headcanon something like that.

When I choose control I like to assume this will occur not just Shepard disintergrating

Modifié par Bat32391, 27 mai 2012 - 07:00 .

[Ageless Face]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Information is largely absent in-game. 

Writer's intent is the only place you'll likely find anything. 

I assume that the writer meant for Shepard to effectively become the new Catalyst, in control of the Reapers to an unknown extent and for an undisclosed amount of time. 

In doing so, she loses her organic form and ability to live among her friends and allies, she 'lives' in the Citadel like the old Catalyst, but can buy the galaxy a better future. 

The major theme surrounding it is 'power corrupts'. The Illusive Man is the textbook corrupt villain whose intentions would not have survived, he would have gone insane, more insane to be fair, or died in the attempt. Shepard is the opposte, strong-willed, pure of heart and intention, she can control them at the cost of herself. 

But should there even be a question whether or not Shepard is strong enough? doesn't it all connected to the crucible? TIM could not control the reapers because he did not have the means to do so. The crucible is giving Shepard the option of controling the reapers. If the crucible was built good enough, the outcome of control is better. There is no real question about Sheaprd's will. At least not from what I saw.

[dreamgazer]

mango smoothie wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Makes you wonder if Shepard could do what EDI eventually does, too: funnel his/her essence into a cybernetic body to interact with the organic world. 

If he can control Reapers, then he sure as hell could control that.

My brother headcanon something like that.

It's not unreasonable to consider.  The only problem I have with that is: "...but you will lose everything that you have."  Does that include cognitive thought?

[Funkdrspot]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

The evidence is literally Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3. Seriously, how can you talk about evidence when the only evidence that you're given in support of control/synthesis is about 2 sentences from the starkid? NOTHING else in the entire series up to that point says otherwise.

Point me to evidence that suggests the Reapers can't be controlled. 

Point me to concrete evidence that they can be controlled indefinitely.

In the words of Paragon Shepard: 
" If we destroy the reapers this ends today, but if you can't control them...."
"BUT I CAN!"
" Are you willing to bet humanity's existance on it?"

Henry Lawson discovers controlling Reaper forces via a form of 'reverse indoctrination' is viable.

The Catalyst has been doing so for millions of years. 

Evidence exists that they can be controlled. 

Whether it lasts is complete speculation. Whether Shepard can take control for any meaningful amount of time or to any worthwhile extent is unknown. 

But I never suggested anything different. Control is a leap of faith. 

Reaper forces =! an actual reaper, let alone +300 of them

Since we don't know the technical workings of what the crucible does or what the catalyst is, it's a flat out assumption that the Catalyst has been controlling them in this manner.



But again, why would you take that leap of faith when you could end the
conflict right now. If you're wrong, everyone dies now and untold
billions will die with every new cycle.

That's not a leap of faith, that's just pure idiocy. This game has been about mature content and about YOU being Shep. No one would actually do that if they were in Shep's shoes.

[CroGamer002]

dreamgazer wrote...

It's not unreasonable to consider.  The only problem I have with that is: "...but you will lose everything that you have."  Does that include cognitive thought?

Now that is a mystery to us all.


I think, or at least hope, only means Shepard's body.

[111987]

Velocithon wrote...

111987 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

111987 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.

What, you wouldn't want to increase humanity's power and safeguard their future as much as possible?

Okay.

By subjugating the other species.

Which is no different from how the galaxy always works. Except instead of the Asari, Salarians, and Turians on top, it's humanity.

As a human, I'd rather be on top than not. In a perfect world we'd all share the power, but you're kidding yourself if you truly believe that is possible.

Yeah...but the other species subjugated like, one other species. The Salarians nerfed the Krogan, the Turian also help nerf the Krogran. Other than that no one really subjugated any one too much. The other races just weren't predominant yet and probably weren't as far along the evolutionary cycle as the others were.

The humans though, with the Reapers, would just utterly dominate the entire galaxy. It wouldn't even be fair!

So I'm not sure you can really compare the two.

The Asari, Salarians, and Turians dominate everyone else. The other races have no true power, and must abide by the decisions of the Council races. If they go against the Council, they are a). wiped out (Rachni) . neutured (Krogan) c). exiled and left to die (Quarians). The Volus, Hanar, Elcor, Drell, etc...are all forced to serve the Coumcil races or their civilization will basically end up in ruins.

[The Night Mammoth]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Reaper forces =! an actual reaper, let alone +300 of them

Since we don't know the technical workings of what the crucible does or what the catalyst is, it's a flat out assumption that the Catalyst has been controlling them in this manner.

Based on working evidence, whereas the assumption that the Reapers can't be controlled is based on........... well, nothing really. Blind bias to try and find ever more ropey reasons other people should choose the same thing as you. 

But again, why would you take that leap of faith when you could end the
conflict right now. If you're wrong, everyone dies now and untold
billions will die with every new cycle.

Every choice is a leap of faith. Some require more conviction that others. I'd rather roll the dice that kill an entire species and doom the galaxy to a dark age for a few hundred years. 

That's not a leap of faith, that's just pure idiocy. This game has been about mature content and about YOU being Shep. No one would actually do that if they were in Shep's shoes.

I AM in Shepard's shoes, fool. 

[Ieldra]

Bat32391 wrote...
So does anyone know what actually happens to Shepard in the control ending? Does s/he like upload his/her brain and becomes a robot or something like that?

The information is contradictory, but the most plausible assumption is that Shepard "dies" as an organic being and loses all the trappings of an organic's life to become some kind of AI god who controls the Reapers and becomes the guardian of the galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

It's not unreasonable to consider.  The only problem I have with that is: "...but you will lose everything that you have."  Does that include cognitive thought?

Now that is a mystery to us all.


I think, or at least hope, only means Shepard's body.

Even if it did, this is worth considering:

Shepard loses his cognitive thought---or, more accurately, it's absorbed into the digital form.  If s/he funnels their consciousness into a cybernetic body and undergoes the same kind of (re)conditioning as EDI does through human interaction, will Shepard's consciousness reemerge in an artificial body after some time?  

It assuredly won't be the exact same being, but will this be a similar Shepard form that can command the Reapers AND do what EDI does with Joker?

[Funkdrspot]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Based on working evidence, whereas the assumption that the Reapers can't be controlled is based on........... well, nothing really. Blind bias to try and find ever more ropey reasons other people should choose the same thing as you.

Before you make the decision, point me to 1 reaper that was controlled. Go ahead, i'll wait. In fact, we can point to a few missions where it is stated there MIGHT be a splinter cell in cerberus that TIM lost control of.

Since the reapers are masters of manipulation and coercion, you'll never know if they have control or just allow you to think you do.

The Night Mammoth wrote...Every choice is a leap of faith. Some require more conviction that others. I'd rather roll the dice that kill an entire species and doom the galaxy to a dark age for a few hundred years.

No it really isn't. Nothing is guaranteed but any intelligent person weighs the cost and benefits. It's not just some random crapshoot, you weigh your options. You literally, in front of you, have the option to directly and permanently end the reaper war with some cost involved, like in EVERY war

Or

You can believe the word of your enemy with no proof or assurances.


Thank god people like you will never be in charge. Your mindset is equivelant to the French before WWII. Appeasement.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I AM in Shepard's shoes, fool. 

No, you're making the choice as a 3rd party. No way you'd be in that scenario and bet the life of billions for the sake of a chance.

Modifié par Funkdrspot, 27 mai 2012 - 07:07 .

[davishepard]

"It's nice when we can save the galaxy without destroying another race along the way." - Garrus.

So, Control is nice! =D

Modifié par davishepard, 27 mai 2012 - 07:01 .

[CroGamer002]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

It's not unreasonable to consider.  The only problem I have with that is: "...but you will lose everything that you have."  Does that include cognitive thought?

Now that is a mystery to us all.


I think, or at least hope, only means Shepard's body.

Even if it did, this is worth considering:

Shepard loses his cognitive thought---or, more accurately, it's absorbed into the digital form.  If s/he funnels their consciousness into a cybernetic body and undergoes the same kind of (re)conditioning as EDI does through human interaction, will Shepard's consciousness reemerge in an artificial body after some time?  

It assuredly won't be the exact same being, but will this be a similar Shepard form that can command the Reapers AND do what EDI does with Joker?

That's, true.

Though honestly, that concept sounds really alien to me.

And it also depends on what will Bioware do with EC.
But hell, speculations for everyone.<_<

[CroGamer002]

davishepard wrote...

"It's nice when we can save the galaxy without destroying another race along the way." - Garrus.

So, Control is nice! =D

HA!

Garrus approves this ending!

[Ageless Face]

Funkdrspot wrote...


Before you make the decision, point me to 1 reaper that was controlled. Go ahead, i'll wait.

All the reapers are controlled by the catalsyt.