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[Jamie9]

balance5050 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Is it just me or is this entire song based on mass effect.

 

In the End fits well too.

Oh yeah it does! This one looks like theyre actuall jamming out on the derelict reaper or the collector base or something.

Linkin Park are the Cerberus team. Linkin Park are Cerberus!

[Ageless Face]

Jamie9 wrote...

Yes. Conrad Verner and Joker.

Conrad has his own LI: Jenna

And he knows to search every box for extra credits. That'll help. And he asks some questions repeatedly, so he'll take in all the necessary information. Oh, and he can build the Crucible, so he's got that going for him.

He chooses synthesis though.

Well, then he is the true savior of the galaxy!

But why would he choose syntheis? 

[Jamie9]

HagarIshay wrote...

Well, then he is the true savior of the galaxy!

But why would he choose syntheis? 

Because he's also very bad at copying Shepard's decisions. The Catalyst said "Synthesis is the answer", and Conrad is very impressionable, so he jumped into the beam.

[Ageless Face]

Jamie9 wrote...


Because he's also very bad at copying Shepard's decisions. The Catalyst said "Synthesis is the answer", and Conrad is very impressionable, so he jumped into the beam.

Right... And you'd think the poor bastard would have learn by now.


 Let's cry for the poor fan who couldn't keep his mouth shut while Shepard walked for the first time in the wards of the citadel. May he forever be remembered as the guy who did not manage to walk by Shepard's instructions after sh/e jumped out of the airlock:P (unless you chose synthesis, of course).

[Jamie9]

HagarIshay wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...


Because he's also very bad at copying Shepard's decisions. The Catalyst said "Synthesis is the answer", and Conrad is very impressionable, so he jumped into the beam.

Right... And you'd think the poor bastard would have learn by now.


 Let's cry for the poor fan who couldn't keep his mouth shut while Shepard walked for the first time in the wards of the citadel. May he forever be remembered as the guy who did not manage to walk by Shepard's instructions after sh/e jumped out of the airlock:P (unless you chose synthesis, of course).

We will never forget.

[mass perfection]

You're all cruel.Using the result of the death of billions to do your bidding.

[jijeebo]

I can't upload images on this computer so it's gonna have to be links but...


BEHOLD MY COMPLETE LACK OF PAINT SKILLS!!!

A-SHOE-ming Direct Control

Synthe-WINNING-sis

Destroy Good Boy


They are so terrible I can't believe i'm sharing them.

[Seival]

Jamie9 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Is it just me or is this entire song based on mass effect.

 

In the End fits well too.

Oh yeah it does! This one looks like theyre actuall jamming out on the derelict reaper or the collector base or something.

Linkin Park are the Cerberus team. Linkin Park are Cerberus!

We should suggest them to rename their band

...Just imagine they could use costumes and makeup to look like ME3 characters.

TIM = vocals.
Kai Leng = drums.
Some random Cerberus operatives on other instruments.

...Singing about a control. That would be quite a show

Modifié par Seival, 01 juin 2012 - 10:32 .

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

I can't upload images on this computer so it's gonna have to be links but...


BEHOLD MY COMPLETE LACK OF PAINT SKILLS!!!

A-SHOE-ming Direct Control

Synthe-WINNING-sis

Destroy Good Boy


They are so terrible I can't believe i'm sharing them.

Bravo jijeebo.... bravo.

[Candidate 88766]

I'm starting to view control as the best ending of the three. I don't like synthesis because it just doesn't make sense, although I understand why Bioware views it as the 'best' ending.

Even with the Reaper war over, the risk of conflict breaking out again is massive. The cured krogan need new worlds, and will rapidly spread. The galaxy will be angry with the salarian leaders for holding back their support. The return of the rachni is not something the galaxy is going to be too chuffed with, even if they did help. Thessia, Palavan, and Earth are in ruins. The galaxy's infrastructure and resources are devastated. The fleets that were once used for peacekeeping - the turian military, the Citadel fleets - have been torn apart. When Wrex dies, the resurgent krogan will become a colossal risk. They may praise Shepard's name until the end of time, but they're unlikely to be praising the salarians of the rachni any time soon. The Terimus races, after years of oppression from the Citadel races, may attempt to claim new territories. Conflict will almost certainly break out over resources and habitable planets.

By taking command of the Reapers, Shepard ensures there is a deterrent for this conflict. While the galaxy goes on believing that the Reapers are still out there, the alliances Shepard forged will hold. And if worst comes to worse, and say the krogan rise up again, Shepard can call the Reapers back into the galaxy.

The galaxy will be unstable in the aftermath of the Reaper War. There must be something in place to encourage the alliances to hold together and ensure the peace lasts. The deterrent of the Reaper fleet is just such a thing - so long as the galaxy fears that the Reapers may one day return, peace will likely hold.

Plus, the universe is a big place. There are countless other galaxies out there, likely with countless other civilizations. Having a vast armada of nigh-unstoppable colossal space Cthulus at your disposal probably isn't a bad idea. I kept them to defend the galaxy both from itself and whatever else is waiting out there.

Allowing them to live may seem abhorrent, but I kept them for the greater good.

[sydranark]

Rename the thread to "People who don't understand how things work"

[Candidate 88766]

mass perfection wrote...

You're all cruel.Using the result of the death of billions to do your bidding.

Billions died and were turned into Reapers over countless Cycles. Using the Reapers as a force for good means their deaths might not have been entirely in vain.

[Taboo]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

You're all cruel.Using the result of the death of billions to do your bidding.

Billions died and were turned into Reapers over countless Cycles. Using the Reapers as a force for good means their deaths might not have been entirely in vain.

Not sure if serious...

[Calibrations Expert]

I will stick to Control being the best, but I wouldn't say I was a fan of it. It sucked just like the other two almost exactly the same endings.

[breakdown71289]

I chose control because i couldn't live with having all synthetic life be wiped out, especially with legion having to sacrifice himself for the geth and all.....that would've just been a stab in the back. At the same time though, i'm not sure "merging" with synthetics would've been the right call either.....kinda reminds me of the "Sarif" ending from Human Revolution lol.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 01 juin 2012 - 11:19 .

[Hadeedak]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

You're all cruel.Using the result of the death of billions to do your bidding.

Billions died and were turned into Reapers over countless Cycles. Using the Reapers as a force for good means their deaths might not have been entirely in vain.

Billions died. Let's not kill anymore than we have to!

(Control!)

[PrimeOfValor]

"Control is the means to survival. No, there is always another way." To HELL with the reapers.

[Uncle Jo]

Seival wrote...

This is not a "space magic", this is "Deus Ex Machina" concept: "God From the Machine" is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

BioWare implemented DEM concept in ME3 just [b]perfectly.

Since you seem to be more intelligent an insightful than the most of us, your knowledge of the game is incredibly deep and you're a fan of Deux Ex Machina, could you please explain me one thing?

'Cause y'know, something with the Starkid has always bothered me:

If the brat is really the Catalyst with superpowers and all:

- What was the purpose of Sovereign in ME1? Was he punished (he was quite the smarty-pants) and left behind?
I remind you that if the brat was always on the Citadel, he must also have had a very good overview of what happens in the Galaxy and its technological advancement.
- Why a superpowerful AI/God/Troll/Whatever did let a bunch of Protheans hack the Keepers?
- Why couldn't he regain control over them, since he toys with the REAPERS?
- Why couldn't he activate the Relay himself (I mean the Citadel, that big Relay which always allowed the Reapers to launch their galactic lightning genocide war) and let his toys come in for the Big Party instead of letting them travel three years ?
- Were Harbinger and Sovereign (and all the other Reapers) schizos/mythomanes?


Thanks in advance.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 02 juin 2012 - 02:21 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Funkdrspot wrote...

On my first playthrough I thought control was a fitting way to go. " Yeah my Shep would totally give himself for the greater good of the galaxy"

But then I started thinking:

- I've spent something like 150 hours playing this Shep and his explicit goal was nothing less than the destruction of the reapers

- The goal of everyone else who has been indoctrinated has either been submission or control

- The reapers MAIN weapon isn't brute strength, it's coercion and manipulation.

- Before the starkid, we had JUST told TIM that the risk is too great to try control since he'd be betting the fate of the galaxy on it. We convinced him enough for him to an hero

- 5 min later the starkid utters 2 sentences and all of a sudden i'm supposed to take him, master of manipulation and coercion, at his word that Shep can control the reapers?! He says NOTHING of significance to make me suddenly change my beliefs and he offers even less proof. Even the way he introduces control is suspicious, "....or do you THINK you can control us?"

Thats some /thread material right there.  Doesn't need to be explained any better how Control is just flat out wrong in the context of the story they told in ME3.  Had they not funneled Shepard into a more singular character and given us the ability to actually agree to an extent with TIM then it wouldn't be such a nonsensical move at the end to control (and that isnt even regarding its shady legitamicy).  But thats not how it happened.  As it is currently, Control ending does nothing short of make Shepard and the player by extention the biggest hypocrit in the universe. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 01 juin 2012 - 11:48 .

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

You're all cruel.Using the result of the death of billions to do your bidding.

Billions died and were turned into Reapers over countless Cycles. Using the Reapers as a force for good means their deaths might not have been entirely in vain.

Billions died. Let's not kill anymore than we have to!

(Control!)

It's not like Shepard himself was a pacifist dude, he was a killer too.

[MegaSovereign]

It would have been interesting if Bioware made it to where if you have low EMS, you eventually lose control of the reapers.

[Hadeedak]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It would have been interesting if Bioware made it to where if you have low EMS, you eventually lose control of the reapers.

That'd be fun. A real downside equivalent to destroy setting the earth on fire -- it'd still be a victory, because it'd buy the galaxy time to prepare and study, presumably with the geth on board.

As is, control bad and control good could do with a bit more distinction.

[Ageless Face]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It would have been interesting if Bioware made it to where if you have low EMS, you eventually lose control of the reapers.

I actually think that BioWare should let the reapers have control of Shepard if you had a low EMS. If you had it at high you can choose what you want to do with them.

[Ageless Face]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Since you seem to be more intelligent an insightful than the most of us, your knowledge of the game is incredibly deep and you're a fan of Deux Ex Machina, could you please explain me one thing?

'Cause y'know, something with the Starkid has always bothered me:

If the brat is really the Catalyst with superpowers and all:

- What was the purpose of Sovereign in ME1? Was he punished (he was quite the smarty-pants) and left behind?
I remind you that if the brat was always on the Citadel, he must also have had a very good overview of what happens in the Galaxy and its technological advancement.
- Why a superpowerful AI/God/Troll/Whatever did let a bunch of Protheans hack the Keepers?
- Why couldn't he regain control over them, since he toys with the REAPERS?
- Why couldn't he activate the Relay himself (I mean the Citadel, that big Relay which always allowed the Reapers to launch their galactic lightning genocide war) and let his toys come in for the Big Party instead of letting them travel three years ?
- Were Harbinger and Sovereign (and all the other Reapers) schizos/mythomanes?


Thanks in advance.

Hope you don't mind if I'll try to answer the questions.

-The reaper was left behind. BioWare didn't know how to use soverigen, so they just left the conversation aside and figured no one would notice.

-Becasue... the catalyst is not a god? He can't have control of everything. If he did then he would have stopped immediately TIM's experiment, or even better, know exactly where Shepard is, and he would have brought much more reapers to Tuchunka or Rannoch and kill him/her.

- I have no idea what do you mean by this question, so i'll leave that behind. 

-
 The Citadel as the relay was also seemed to be left behind. It could have been much easier for shepard to go to Ilos at the ending and go to the Citadel through the mu relay. However, that plot device was left behind, and so did the Citadel as a relay.
Or maybe the catalyst needs a reaper to help him to open the Citadel to let all the reapers pour shemelves into the galaxy. That would explain why sovereign tried to open the relay and the catalyst didn't do it alone. Combined forces, maybe?

- Yep. Either that or they have a short memory. 

Or maybe... The catalyst only tell the true purpose of the reapers to the small ones, since he feels no threat from them. However, Harbinger and Sovereign seemed to to be independent when the small one on Rannoch seemed knowble about the catalyst's cause.Maybe the catalyst is fearing the big reapers more than the others, and made them think they are independent, yet they still follow his instructions even when they don't know it (that is obvously a speculation on my behalf. Don't take it as I know it's true in 100%).

Modifié par HagarIshay, 02 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[Seival]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Seival wrote...

This is not a "space magic", this is "Deus Ex Machina" concept: "God From the Machine" is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

BioWare implemented DEM concept in ME3 just perfectly.

Since you seem to be more intelligent an insightful than the most of us, your knowledge of the game is incredibly deep and you're a fan of Deux Ex Machina, could you please explain me one thing?

'Cause y'know, something with the Starkid has always bothered me:

If the brat is really the Catalyst with superpowers and all:

(1) What was the purpose of Sovereign in ME1? Was he punished (he was quite the smarty-pants) and left behind?
I remind you that if the brat was always on the Citadel, he must also have had a very good overview of what happens in the Galaxy and its technological advancement. 
(2) Why a superpowerful AI/God/Troll/Whatever did let a bunch of Protheans hack the Keepers?
(3) Why couldn't he regain control over them, since he toys with the REAPERS?
(4) Why couldn't he activate the Relay himself (I mean the Citadel, that big Relay which always allowed the Reapers to launch their galactic lightning genocide war) and let his toys come in for the Big Party instead of letting them travel three years ?
(5) Were Harbinger and Sovereign (and all the other Reapers) schizos/mythomanes?


Thanks in advance.

(1) Nazara's purpose was to override the "signal-block-surprise" left by Protheans. The Catalist was not "on the Citadel"... The Citadel is a part of the Catalist.
(2) Protheans didn't "hack the Reapers". They jummed the some sort of signal that allowed the vanguard (in our case the Nazara) to use the Citadel's mass relay capabilities to open the way for invasion.
(3) Look at answer #2.
(4) Look at answer #2.
[b](5) Can you translate this question please?

... It looks like you didn't understand ME1 story. Or just forgotten it completely.