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[Seival]

Seival wrote...

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

I'm sure it will be enough. Even Normandy crash scene will make sense with correct explanations. Somehow I think they will not remove the scene from the game. So the scene has to have some meaning...

...I have one more theory about it, actually. Crash scene is clearly not a "shameless retreat". The scene could happen much later then just after the battle for the Earth. And it looks like... A test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay... i.e. one more clue, that Mass Relays network can, and will be reconstructed.

I really doubt the scene happened later in the game. Notice that if you are waiting too much time to make your choice at the ending, the crucible is desroyed. That means, that for your choice to actually have effect, the reapers would have left/ been destroyed immediately. If they weren't they would have destroyed the crucible.

If the reapers are leaving right after Shepard makes his/her choice, it means that the energy from the crucible also hit the relays at the same time. And if the Normandy was already traveling in the relay when it happened...

So maybe it was not two minutes after Shepard made the choice, but they definitely left too soon to the point of making us very suspisious. And angry. The Normandy leaving does not make sense what so ever, both in time aspect AND the fact the Normandy is leaving at all.

...The more I think about it the more I believe that Normandy crash scene describes exactly the test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay. And it happens much later than the Battle for Earth...
 
The main proof I have right now is the nature of explosion that hit the Normandy. Crucible explosions were unable to damage the Normandy. But the "shockwave" in the Normandy crash scene almost disintegrated the ship. This "shockwave" might be some kind of post-effect of "new/reactivated mass relay calibration issues". And the Normandy might be the first ship with living crew used for a mass relay test.

...I'll try to find additional proofs of this theory. And I have a strong feeling that I'm right   

I'm watching the crash scene again and again... I have a feeling that I'm missing something very important... 


...Looks like I've found something.


Watch the crash scene carefully. Did you see how exactly the "shockwave" damages the Normandy in the space? It hits engines hard, but have almost no effect on the other parts of the hull... I should observe the scene more. Maybe there are some other clues there...

BioWare, I hope you read this. Please, tell me that I'm right

...Ah, I don't think they will answer before the EC. Never mind, forget what I asked.

Modifié par Seival, 03 juin 2012 - 10:19 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...


...The more I think about it the more I believe that Normandy crash scene describes exactly the test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay. And it happens much later than the Battle for Earth...
 
The main proof I have right now is the nature of explosion that hit the Normandy. Crucible explosions were unable to damage the Normandy. But the "shockwave" in the Normandy crash scene almost disintegrated the ship. This "shockwave" might be some kind of post-effect of "new/reactivated mass relay calibration issues". And the Normandy might be the first ship with living crew used for a mass relay test.

...I'll try to find additional proofs of this theory. And I have a strong feeling that I'm right   

Okay, I think I understand now what you mean.

However... The relays are not destroyed in control. They are overloaded. And the explosions are oddly enough, in different colors. It is not a relay test, but the energy of the crucible.

And why bringing some of the most skilled soldiers into a relay test? Why not send a rock or something? There are no tests on living humans now, why would there be in the future? And no one would send anyone through a relay without making sure it'll absolutley work. And in case that is true, then where is Shepard if you picked destroy? Isn't s/he on the Normandy?

The last thing is the atmpspehere. It doesn't feel like it is a few years after, but only a minuete or two after making the choices and seeing the reapers go away or destroyed. It doesn't even cuts to black. It's really does not feel like a long time after.

Overall it is a very good theory, I must admit. It can certantley explain the Noramndy running away.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...


...The more I think about it the more I believe that Normandy crash scene describes exactly the test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay. And it happens much later than the Battle for Earth...
 
The main proof I have right now is the nature of explosion that hit the Normandy. Crucible explosions were unable to damage the Normandy. But the "shockwave" in the Normandy crash scene almost disintegrated the ship. This "shockwave" might be some kind of post-effect of "new/reactivated mass relay calibration issues". And the Normandy might be the first ship with living crew used for a mass relay test.

...I'll try to find additional proofs of this theory. And I have a strong feeling that I'm right   

Okay, I think I understand now what you mean.

However... The relays are not destroyed in control. They are overloaded. And the explosions are oddly enough, in different colors. It is not a relay test, but the energy of the crucible.

And why bringing some of the most skilled soldiers into a relay test? Why not send a rock or something? There are no tests on living humans now, why would there be in the future? And no one would send anyone through a relay without making sure it'll absolutley work. And in case that is true, then where is Shepard if you picked destroy? Isn't s/he on the Normandy?

The last thing is the atmpspehere. It doesn't feel like it is a few years after, but only a minuete or two after making the choices and seeing the reapers go away or destroyed. It doesn't even cuts to black. It's really does not feel like a long time after.

Overall it is a very good theory, I must admit. It can certantley explain the Noramndy running away.

Well, the relays were at least damaged in Control. I'm sure I've seen relay lost some pieces after the blue explosion. And even if it's just an overload, relays became useless (or very dangerous to use). I think that the point is that reactivated/rebuilt relays will not work properly right from the beginning, and need some "crash tests" first. And the color of shockwave could be just a post-effect of Crucible's explosion long-term influence.

Most skilled soldiers could volunteer for the crash-test to honor the war's sacrifices. These soldiers were used to perform very complicated and risky tasks. And this crash test was not the very first one most likely. It could be the first crash-test with living crew inside. But before there could be some tests without living crew... And Shepard might have some other important tasks to complete.

...And one more clue to support my theory. If the shockwave was from the Crucible explosion, then it should cover much larger space. But it looks like the shockwave has a diameter comparable to an Alliance dreadnought... So the entire scene looks more like "miscalibrated" relay usage.

Modifié par Seival, 04 juin 2012 - 09:11 .

[MegaSovereign]

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

[lordhugorune]

I'm seriously considering control in my current game, even though I think Shepherd is to some extent indoctrinated in the final sequence, I am going to assume that the information given by the Catalyst regarding consequences of decisions is correct. (For the record: I went synthesis in my first playthrough. I'm still not sure about it, because I don't really understand what synthesis means).

And so what if it goes against everything you were doing beforehand? You had no idea what the consequences of using the crucible were going to be while it was being built. At the end of it all you do have options, they are all there for you to choose as best as you can.

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

[Seival]

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...


...The more I think about it the more I believe that Normandy crash scene describes exactly the test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay. And it happens much later than the Battle for Earth...
 
The main proof I have right now is the nature of explosion that hit the Normandy. Crucible explosions were unable to damage the Normandy. But the "shockwave" in the Normandy crash scene almost disintegrated the ship. This "shockwave" might be some kind of post-effect of "new/reactivated mass relay calibration issues". And the Normandy might be the first ship with living crew used for a mass relay test.

...I'll try to find additional proofs of this theory. And I have a strong feeling that I'm right   

Okay, I think I understand now what you mean.

However... The relays are not destroyed in control. They are overloaded. And the explosions are oddly enough, in different colors. It is not a relay test, but the energy of the crucible.

And why bringing some of the most skilled soldiers into a relay test? Why not send a rock or something? There are no tests on living humans now, why would there be in the future? And no one would send anyone through a relay without making sure it'll absolutley work. And in case that is true, then where is Shepard if you picked destroy? Isn't s/he on the Normandy?

The last thing is the atmpspehere. It doesn't feel like it is a few years after, but only a minuete or two after making the choices and seeing the reapers go away or destroyed. It doesn't even cuts to black. It's really does not feel like a long time after.

Overall it is a very good theory, I must admit. It can certantley explain the Noramndy running away.

Well, the relays were at least damaged in Control. I'm sure I've seen relay lost some pieces after the blue explosion. And even if it's just an overload, relays became useless (or very dangerous to use). I think that the point is that reactivated/rebuilt relays will not work properly right from the beginning, and need some "crash tests" first. And the color of shockwave could be just a post-effect of Crucible's explosion long-term influence.

Most skilled soldiers could volunteer for the crash-test to honor the war's sacrifices. These soldiers were used to perform very complicated and risky tasks. And this crash test was not the very first one most likely. It could be the first crash-test with living crew inside. But before there could be some tests without living crew... And Shepard might have some other important tasks to complete.

...And one more clue to support my theory. If the shockwave was from the Crucible explosion, then it should cover much larger space. But it looks like the shockwave has a diameter comparable to an Alliance dreadnought... So the entire scene looks more like "miscalibrated" relay usage.

One more clue for the theory... Look at the crew members who exit the crashed Normandy. They look calm, and even happy. No hurry, no attempts to communicate with Earth. They look pleased... Maybe they are pleased with some successful experiment? Like Normandy's jump via restored and recalibrated mass relay...

[MegaSovereign]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

That really should be made into a banner.

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

That really should be made into a banner.

Maybe...

...But I think some control-haters will start to exploit such banner claiming that we want to enslave poor reapers

[MegaSovereign]

Who cares. They're REAPERS.

[CroGamer002]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Who cares. They're REAPERS.

That as well.


I think I can live with enslaving those bastards, instead of going selfish and killing them with my friends geth and EDI.

[Seival]

Seival wrote...

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...


...The more I think about it the more I believe that Normandy crash scene describes exactly the test-launch of a ship through the reconstructed or newly built Mass Relay. And it happens much later than the Battle for Earth...
 
The main proof I have right now is the nature of explosion that hit the Normandy. Crucible explosions were unable to damage the Normandy. But the "shockwave" in the Normandy crash scene almost disintegrated the ship. This "shockwave" might be some kind of post-effect of "new/reactivated mass relay calibration issues". And the Normandy might be the first ship with living crew used for a mass relay test.

...I'll try to find additional proofs of this theory. And I have a strong feeling that I'm right   

Okay, I think I understand now what you mean.

However... The relays are not destroyed in control. They are overloaded. And the explosions are oddly enough, in different colors. It is not a relay test, but the energy of the crucible.

And why bringing some of the most skilled soldiers into a relay test? Why not send a rock or something? There are no tests on living humans now, why would there be in the future? And no one would send anyone through a relay without making sure it'll absolutley work. And in case that is true, then where is Shepard if you picked destroy? Isn't s/he on the Normandy?

The last thing is the atmpspehere. It doesn't feel like it is a few years after, but only a minuete or two after making the choices and seeing the reapers go away or destroyed. It doesn't even cuts to black. It's really does not feel like a long time after.

Overall it is a very good theory, I must admit. It can certantley explain the Noramndy running away.

Well, the relays were at least damaged in Control. I'm sure I've seen relay lost some pieces after the blue explosion. And even if it's just an overload, relays became useless (or very dangerous to use). I think that the point is that reactivated/rebuilt relays will not work properly right from the beginning, and need some "crash tests" first. And the color of shockwave could be just a post-effect of Crucible's explosion long-term influence.

Most skilled soldiers could volunteer for the crash-test to honor the war's sacrifices. These soldiers were used to perform very complicated and risky tasks. And this crash test was not the very first one most likely. It could be the first crash-test with living crew inside. But before there could be some tests without living crew... And Shepard might have some other important tasks to complete.

...And one more clue to support my theory. If the shockwave was from the Crucible explosion, then it should cover much larger space. But it looks like the shockwave has a diameter comparable to an Alliance dreadnought... So the entire scene looks more like "miscalibrated" relay usage.

One more clue for the theory... Look at the crew members who exit the crashed Normandy. They look calm, and even happy. No hurry, no attempts to communicate with Earth. They look pleased... Maybe they are pleased with some successful experiment? Like Normandy's jump via restored and recalibrated mass relay...

I think this theory deserves it's own thread: http://social.biowar.../index/12417449

[darthnick427]

While I'm not a supporter of the Control ending myself. I do very much enjoy all the ending banners you guys have made. Well done.

Modifié par darthnick427, 04 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[Seival]

darthnick427 wrote...

While I'm not a supporter of the Control ending myself. I do very much enjoy all the ending banners you guys have made. Well done.

Thanks

[Volc19]

Mesina2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Who cares. They're REAPERS.

That as well.


I think I can live with enslaving those bastards, instead of going selfish and killing them with my friends geth and EDI.

Yeah, Control really is the least morally irreprehensible of the endings. Reapers are good, Citadel is preserved, and synthetics live. No one but the Reapers are on the recieving end of a beating. Organics and Synthetics win the war, and now we can even study Reaper tech without fear.

So yeah, Control>Detstroy. I'm not even going to get started on Synthesis. It's too silly to warrant a rant.

Modifié par Volc19, 04 juin 2012 - 11:27 .

[CroGamer002]

^Pretty much.

[Seival]

I still think it will be more correct not to call any of three endings "the best"... They are just different.

...And Control is clearly the choice of large amount of people. Which is pleasing.

[CroGamer002]

^Well, a lot of people like EDI and geth.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Well, a lot of people like EDI and geth.

Indeed.

In fact, Legion is my second favorite character after the Shepard. EDI is the third... Then Liara and Tali 

[darthnick427]

Seival wrote...

I still think it will be more correct not to call any of three endings "the best"... They are just different.

...And Control is clearly the choice of large amount of people. Which is pleasing.

ummm...hate to burst your bubble but have you seen the polls? Every one I've seen says Control is chosen the least, Sythesis is chosen the second most, and Destroy wins by an overwhelming majority

Modifié par darthnick427, 05 juin 2012 - 05:20 .

[CroGamer002]

^She didn't said by majority.

[darthnick427]

Mesina2 wrote...

^She didn't said by majority.

oh I thought that's what she meant. Okay. Carry on then.

[Seival]

darthnick427 wrote...

Seival wrote...

I still think it will be more correct not to call any of three endings "the best"... They are just different.

...And Control is clearly the choice of large amount of people. Which is pleasing.

ummm...hate to burst your bubble but have you seen the polls? Every one I've seen says Control is chosen the least, Sythesis is chosen the second most, and Destroy wins by an overwhelming majority

Too little voice numbers in these polls compared to number of ME3 copies sold... I think we will never know real numbers. But I'm sure I was correct about large amount of people like Control. Even if Destroy has larger fan base.

[balance5050]

Seival wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Seival wrote...

I still think it will be more correct not to call any of three endings "the best"... They are just different.

...And Control is clearly the choice of large amount of people. Which is pleasing.

ummm...hate to burst your bubble but have you seen the polls? Every one I've seen says Control is chosen the least, Sythesis is chosen the second most, and Destroy wins by an overwhelming majority

Too little voice numbers in these polls compared to number of ME3 copies sold... I think we will never know real numbers. But I'm sure I was correct about large amount of people like Control. Even if Destroy has larger fan base.

Every poll I'v ever seen including the the massive reddit one has control being chose the least with destroy winning by an overwhelming majority.

[MegaSovereign]

Just because a large number of people believe it is the best choice, it doesn't make it so.

It's just like at the large install base of the indoctrination theory. It's more than likely wrong but a lot of people still cling on to that ****.