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[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

That really should be made into a banner.

Maybe...

...But I think some control-haters will start to exploit such banner claiming that we want to enslave poor reapers

or that option 2 has happened, and they have indeed indoctrinated you,

[Seival]

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

We indoctrinate them, or they indoctrinate us

That really should be made into a banner.

Maybe...

...But I think some control-haters will start to exploit such banner claiming that we want to enslave poor reapers

or that option 2 has happened, and they have indeed indoctrinated you,

I don't think so. In the very end game clearly lets you know that Shepard stopped the Reapers. No matter which one of three choices you've made...

"IT" can be considered only as a critical mission failure. But none of three possible endings are failures. And no additional endings will be ever added to the game. So, "IT" is not an option for the endings.

[Seival]

...Or you just told one more way how such banner can be exploited by control-haters?

Modifié par Seival, 05 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[Seival]

If I'll have a time, I really should make some additional banners. And not just for the Control. I think the entire ending should be supported, no matter I'm the fan of Control choice...
...I just need to be careful about what to write on these new banners

[MegaSovereign]

Seival wrote...

If I'll have a time, I really should make some additional banners. And not just for the Control. I think the entire ending should be supported, no matter I'm the fan of Control choice...
...I just need to be careful about what to write on these new banners

"Control>Destroy"

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Seival wrote...

If I'll have a time, I really should make some additional banners. And not just for the Control. I think the entire ending should be supported, no matter I'm the fan of Control choice...
...I just need to be careful about what to write on these new banners

"Control>Destroy"

For us, Paragons - yes. But not for Renegades. Renegades will be pleased to sacrifice someone else to achieve their goals and even survive as a human being in the end.

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

...Or you just told one more way how such banner can be exploited by control-haters?

primarily this, although i'd respond to your other reply with this:
Even if Shepard is indoctrinated, doesn't mean all is lost. (s)He is not the only person fighting on Earth, nor the only competent one. It just means there might be some additional cost in the battle (e.g. more dead squadmates)

[Lord Goose]

...I just need to be careful about what to write on these
new banners

I would like something like that:
Sacrifice entire race just to make sure?
I won't let fear compromise who I am.

[Lord Goose]

Also, I don't really understand why Control is enslavement.

As far as I got it, enslavement means taking away other's freedom and making them your slave. While Reapers doesn't seems to have freedom in the first place, they're slaves to Catalyst and his cycles. If Shepard will not use Reapers for his own needs, it is rather gives them more freedom than they had before.

[Seival]

Lord Goose wrote...

Also, I don't really understand why Control is enslavement.

As far as I got it, enslavement means taking away other's freedom and making them your slave. While Reapers doesn't seems to have freedom in the first place, they're slaves to Catalyst and his cycles. If Shepard will not use Reapers for his own needs, it is rather gives them more freedom than they had before.

Control is not an enslavement... But some control-haters tried to dishonor Control with enslavement theories.

Modifié par Seival, 06 juin 2012 - 11:33 .

[JA Shepard]

Seival wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Also, I don't really understand why Control is enslavement.

As far as I got it, enslavement means taking away other's freedom and making them your slave. While Reapers doesn't seems to have freedom in the first place, they're slaves to Catalyst and his cycles. If Shepard will not use Reapers for his own needs, it is rather gives them more freedom than they had before.

Control is not an enslavement... But some control-haters tried to dishonor Control with enslavement theories.

I figure they feel really bad for choosing to kill off an entire form of life and want to feel less guilty about it. They either say what you did is just as bad or even worse or say that the whole genocide thing in destroy didn't happen at all, yet still claim your Shepard went on to enslave the Reapers with the same evidence. A lot of times it seems control and synthesis supporters are more ok with destroy being chosen than some of the people who choose destroy themselves. It's good that a person feels bad for it because it's a tough, but necessary from their pov, thing to do, but I don't see why I have to share in that guilt. I didn't kill my friends.

Or maybe they are just jealous that they can't participate in all the fun headcanon control allows. Hmm...

Modifié par JA Shepard, 06 juin 2012 - 12:11 .

[Jackums]

Just dropping by for my weekly Control support post and to say; I commend you Seival. Every time I come here I see positive posts by you. You're one of the few people on here that genuinely respect others' opinions and don't lose your cool in debates. It's quite refreshing.

[filetemo]

Control needs a lot of clarification in the EC to be taken as legit choice , it's the ending that needs more explanation because it's implications are massive
reaper shepard continues the cycle?
do we use reaper tech from now on?
will we access reaper data archives?
Do we know how and why the cycles started with this data?
Can we clone ancient species with reaper DNA? Can we de-reaperize them?

Control ending is so open it's not even funny

Modifié par filetemo, 06 juin 2012 - 12:39 .

[Jamie9]

JackumsD wrote...

Just dropping by for my weekly Control support post and to say; I commend you Seival. Every time I come here I see positive posts by you. You're one of the few people on here that genuinely respect others' opinions and don't lose your cool in debates. It's quite refreshing.

I agree. You may have some wacky posts Seival, but you convey them in an open manner. You're fine with people disagreeing with you as long as they're polite about it.

And you're up for a good debate. Which is always nice.

[Seival]

JackumsD wrote...

Just dropping by for my weekly Control support post and to say; I commend you Seival. Every time I come here I see positive posts by you. You're one of the few people on here that genuinely respect others' opinions and don't lose your cool in debates. It's quite refreshing.

Jamie9 wrote...

I agree. You may have some wacky posts Seival, but you convey them in an open manner. You're fine with people disagreeing with you as long as they're polite about it.

And you're up for a good debate. Which is always nice.

 

Thanks

Modifié par Seival, 06 juin 2012 - 05:05 .

[MegaSovereign]

filetemo wrote...

Control needs a lot of clarification in the EC to be taken as legit choice , it's the ending that needs more explanation because it's implications are massive
reaper shepard continues the cycle?
do we use reaper tech from now on?
will we access reaper data archives?
Do we know how and why the cycles started with this data?
Can we clone ancient species with reaper DNA? Can we de-reaperize them?

Control ending is so open it's not even funny

I think Synthesis needs more "clarification"

The cycle is broken when you choose any of the 3 endings.

[MegaSovereign]

JackumsD wrote...

Just dropping by for my weekly Control support post and to say; I commend you Seival. Every time I come here I see positive posts by you. You're one of the few people on here that genuinely respect others' opinions and don't lose your cool in debates. It's quite refreshing.

You can say that Sevial has...

self-CONTROL.

*Badum tss!

[Seival]

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

...Or you just told one more way how such banner can be exploited by control-haters?

primarily this, although i'd respond to your other reply with this:
Even if Shepard is indoctrinated, doesn't mean all is lost. (s)He is not the only person fighting on Earth, nor the only competent one. It just means there might be some additional cost in the battle (e.g. more dead squadmates)

I don't think the Catalist will pay attention on anyone else who will try to reach the Main Chamber. So, I think Shepard always was the only hope for the entire galactic civilization. Which means that "IT" = critical mission failure. And this doesn't fit the endings.

Modifié par Seival, 06 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

filetemo wrote...

Control needs a lot of clarification in the EC to be taken as legit choice , it's the ending that needs more explanation because it's implications are massive
reaper shepard continues the cycle?
do we use reaper tech from now on?
will we access reaper data archives?
Do we know how and why the cycles started with this data?
Can we clone ancient species with reaper DNA? Can we de-reaperize them?

Control ending is so open it's not even funny

I think Synthesis needs more "clarification"

The cycle is broken when you choose any of the 3 endings.

Yes, it's actually will be very interesting to see all Synthesis details in EC... I still can't understand this ending completly. Maybe I'm just not trying hard enough... But I'm sure Synthesis is not a Paragon choice. This way of stopping the Reapers is too exotic, and may lead to number of different new problems.

[Seival]

By the way. It's interesting if Catalist-Shepard will prefer to keep the Citadel on the Earth orbit, or to move it to the old place...

[CroGamer002]

JackumsD wrote...

Just dropping by for my weekly Control support post and to say; I commend you Seival. Every time I come here I see positive posts by you. You're one of the few people on here that genuinely respect others' opinions and don't lose your cool in debates. It's quite refreshing.

Well probably because I'm silent for the most part.

[JA Shepard]

Seival wrote...

By the way. It's interesting if Catalist-Shepard will prefer to keep the Citadel on the Earth orbit, or to move it to the old place...

I imagine Shepard would have the Citadel wherever it could be the most help. There's a lot of rebuilding that will be taking place all over the galaxy. Earth or the Sol system being more of a hub could be really interesting, and since lots of different species appear to be at least temporarily stranded there, maybe Earth would make the most sense. Thessia also springs to mind, since it was such an advanced civilization and economically vital. Getting them up and running sooner could speed the rebuilding process as well.

[Seival]

Seival wrote...

By the way. It's interesting if Catalist-Shepard will prefer to keep the Citadel on the Earth orbit, or to move it to the old place...

...I mean after the Mass Relays Network will be restored of course 

[JA Shepard]

I wonder how the Citadel works as a relay itself. Maybe it can connect to any relay directly. It would be fun to see Shepard just fire one ship after another back to its home system. I want to see Keepers doing traffic control with those glowy batons waiving ships in for launch.

Modifié par JA Shepard, 07 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[CroGamer002]

I don't think there's a need to move Citadel, unless there's a threat to crash on Earth.