Oh god this isn't really happening, is it?Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 juin 2012 - 04:56 .
Sauruz wrote...
Oh god this isn't really happening, is it?Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Every post Seival writes is crazier than the last.
Seival wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
Well, the brain of the Reapers is the Catalist. So it is behind all main strategical and tactical ideas of any Reaper invasion.
...It's just a dirty trick. Like in Terminator 4, remember? When Skynet gave humans a false hope they can disable machines with some kind of signal in short range. But it was just a successful attempt to lure some particular people into a trap.
Right, but why would the catalyst do it? What reason does he have? TIM was not really lured into traps he got himslef into by himelf. The catalyst destroyed sanctuary. There was no trap there.
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
Modifié par Seival, 09 juin 2012 - 05:09 .
I've done my fair share of arguing with him in his Normandy Crash support scene, you can believe me that.HagarIshay wrote...
@Sauruz
you know you can always try to argue and explain why you don't think the theory is right. there is really no need to insult anyone. Seival's theory is as right as anything else right now. And it has sense to it, even if you don't like it. At least Seival is trying to think about possibilities, and not just mocking other theories.
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
That is a very intresting theory. But still there is one question: Why attack sanctuary? It was said that the reapers only found out about the place, if I remember right. Why attack the place, and not just take all the harvested with them slowly and nicely? Sanctuary was destroyed by the reapers. Why do that, unless they felt threatend? They could have just taken all the data with them and fly away. Nobody would ever know what happened on sanctuary. But that wasn't the case.
The place was destroyed, and there were still the harvested in sanctuary. That probably means the reapers could not have taken control over them.
Sauruz wrote...
I've done my fair share of arguing with him in his Normandy Crash support scene, you can believe me that.HagarIshay wrote...
@Sauruz
you know you can always try to argue and explain why you don't think the theory is right. there is really no need to insult anyone. Seival's theory is as right as anything else right now. And it has sense to it, even if you don't like it. At least Seival is trying to think about possibilities, and not just mocking other theories.
It never goes anywhere because Seival's theories are based on baseless assumptions. If I point out all the things that don't make sense about his theory he just starts making up more baseless assumptions.
Seival wrote...
Sauruz wrote...
I've done my fair share of arguing with him in his Normandy Crash support scene, you can believe me that.HagarIshay wrote...
@Sauruz
you know you can always try to argue and explain why you don't think the theory is right. there is really no need to insult anyone. Seival's theory is as right as anything else right now. And it has sense to it, even if you don't like it. At least Seival is trying to think about possibilities, and not just mocking other theories.
It never goes anywhere because Seival's theories are based on baseless assumptions. If I point out all the things that don't make sense about his theory he just starts making up more baseless assumptions.
Most things you said in that thread was just a representation of remaining confusion about the endings.
No. Your theory creates more confusion than there already is. That's the problem with it.Seival wrote...
Most things you said in that thread was just a representation of remaining confusion about the endings.
Sauruz wrote...
No. Your theory creates more confusion than there already is. That's the problem with it.Seival wrote...
Most things you said in that thread was just a representation of remaining confusion about the endings.
I've listed all the baseless assumptions your theory makes in this post, actually.
Seival wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
That is a very intresting theory. But still there is one question: Why attack sanctuary? It was said that the reapers only found out about the place, if I remember right. Why attack the place, and not just take all the harvested with them slowly and nicely? Sanctuary was destroyed by the reapers. Why do that, unless they felt threatend? They could have just taken all the data with them and fly away. Nobody would ever know what happened on sanctuary. But that wasn't the case.
The place was destroyed, and there were still the harvested in sanctuary. That probably means the reapers could not have taken control over them.
I think the point of attacking the Sanctuary is to destroy a research that can be used as an advantage against Reaper ground forces. Cerberus did its part... Cerberus now must be obliterated. And the most part of obliteration will be performed by galactic civilization's forces, so they will have additional casualties.
Modifié par MegaSovereign, 10 juin 2012 - 12:17 .
Seival wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
That is a very intresting theory. But still there is one question: Why attack sanctuary? It was said that the reapers only found out about the place, if I remember right. Why attack the place, and not just take all the harvested with them slowly and nicely? Sanctuary was destroyed by the reapers. Why do that, unless they felt threatend? They could have just taken all the data with them and fly away. Nobody would ever know what happened on sanctuary. But that wasn't the case.
The place was destroyed, and there were still the harvested in sanctuary. That probably means the reapers could not have taken control over them.
I think the point of attacking the Sanctuary is to destroy a research that can be used as an advantage against Reaper ground forces. Cerberus did its part... Cerberus now must be obliterated. And the most part of obliteration will be performed by galactic civilization's forces, so they will have additional casualties.
Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Even if in Control you can only give one order, it's still miles better then Destroy.
My one order is: Turn off your shields, and fly directly into the nearest star.
I will not commit genocide on an entire species just so Shepard can live.
, but I understand your point.
Modifié par N7Gold, 10 juin 2012 - 01:28 .
N7Gold wrote...
The way I see it, just because controlling the Reapers is the way to go doesn't mean destroying them is the wrong way. The Reapers attacking Sanctuary kind of tells me they want to hide a secret that TIM found out. They CAN be controlled permanently. The "right ending" depends on whether you're more prepared to control or destroy them. Me, I'm more prepared to destroy them because I destroyed the Collector Base in ME2 and earned the human-reaper heart as a war asset. To those who saved the Collector Base and earned the human-reaper brain, you're more prepared to control the Reapers.
Seival wrote...
I think the point of attacking the Sanctuary is to destroy a research that can be used as an advantage against Reaper ground forces. Cerberus did its part... Cerberus now must be obliterated. And the most part of obliteration will be performed by galactic civilization's forces, so they will have additional casualties.
To be more particular... Sanctuary provided ways to disable and even mind-control hasks. It was ok for Catalist when Cerberus used the tech against galactic civilization. But enough was enough. If the tech could fall into galactic civilization hands, they could develop and produce weapons that could effectively disable Reaper ground forces, which will definitely slow the Reaper harvesting progress.
...Described "planned leak" could be used by Catalist in each cycle to develop groups which will want to control the Reapers. Clever plan to force people to fight each other and become weaker... All this "provoked groups" didn't have any idea what does the Real Control means, and so never had any chance to Control the Reapers.
Modifié par HagarIshay, 10 juin 2012 - 04:39 .
KingZayd wrote...
Seival wrote...
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
Well, the trap was much greater in our case (Terminator 4 was just an example). Catalist "leaked" some clues on how hasks can be manipulated, so TIM could easily find these clues. These clues were to convince TIM that not just hasks could be controled, but even Reaper capital ships.
Catalist knew that only Cerberus leaders will see the potential in this. Noone, but Cerberus will truely want to control the Reapers. So they will start to experiment on their own people in order to get some results. They will get an army of faithfull soldiers that will be used in a ways Catalist want them to be used: against the nations to be harvested. But TIM will be fully convinced that he uses the army to take a control over the Reapers, and the rest of the galactic civilization are just staying on his way.
...A clever way to manipulate the enemy. Cerberus gains no real control and has no chance to harm the Reapers in any way. All Catalist need to do is to wait for some time and then destroy the Cerberus research, so enemy will not have any chance to use it to slow down Reapers ground forces... Enemy weakened greatly without any noticeable casualties on the Reapers side.
That is a very intresting theory. But still there is one question: Why attack sanctuary? It was said that the reapers only found out about the place, if I remember right. Why attack the place, and not just take all the harvested with them slowly and nicely? Sanctuary was destroyed by the reapers. Why do that, unless they felt threatend? They could have just taken all the data with them and fly away. Nobody would ever know what happened on sanctuary. But that wasn't the case.
The place was destroyed, and there were still the harvested in sanctuary. That probably means the reapers could not have taken control over them.
I think the point of attacking the Sanctuary is to destroy a research that can be used as an advantage against Reaper ground forces. Cerberus did its part... Cerberus now must be obliterated. And the most part of obliteration will be performed by galactic civilization's forces, so they will have additional casualties.
Why not keep Cerberus like they kept the Collectors?
Modifié par Seival, 10 juin 2012 - 07:07 .
HagarIshay wrote...
Seival wrote...
I think the point of attacking the Sanctuary is to destroy a research that can be used as an advantage against Reaper ground forces. Cerberus did its part... Cerberus now must be obliterated. And the most part of obliteration will be performed by galactic civilization's forces, so they will have additional casualties.
To be more particular... Sanctuary provided ways to disable and even mind-control hasks. It was ok for Catalist when Cerberus used the tech against galactic civilization. But enough was enough. If the tech could fall into galactic civilization hands, they could develop and produce weapons that could effectively disable Reaper ground forces, which will definitely slow the Reaper harvesting progress.
...Described "planned leak" could be used by Catalist in each cycle to develop groups which will want to control the Reapers. Clever plan to force people to fight each other and become weaker... All this "provoked groups" didn't have any idea what does the Real Control means, and so never had any chance to Control the Reapers.
(1) Yet there are still some questions. Why completley destroy Sanctuary? It would have served the reapers better to just make it all look like an abandoned building. No one would have asked questions.
(2) And we still see the harvested in sanctuary. Why didn't the reapers take them?
(3) Why Lawson was still alive? If they wanted to remove all the evidences, Miranda's father would have been the first on the list to kill. Obviously the reapers didn't know about him. If cerberus was partly indoc, the reapers would have surely known about Lawson.
(4) The place didn't really seemed clean of clues as to what happened on sanctuary. I'll bet that if Shepard would have digged more, s/he would have found what excatly TIM and Lawson did to make all the husks.
Modifié par Seival, 10 juin 2012 - 07:34 .
Reign Tsumiraki wrote...
Even if in Control you can only give one order, it's still miles better then Destroy.
My one order is: Turn off your shields, and fly directly into the nearest star.
I will not commit genocide on an entire species just so Shepard can live.
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