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[sAxMoNkI]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

And there are no "practical" reasons to abuse this power, because this will achieve nothing.

Yup. Nothing bad ever happened in the history of everything when somebody gained too much power.

^
+1 Sir

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 19 juin 2012 - 05:52 .

[estebanus]

EDIT: Nothing to see here.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[Seival]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

And there are no "practical" reasons to abuse this power, because this will achieve nothing.

Yup. Nothing bad ever happened in the history of everything when somebody gained too much power.

^
+1 Sir

Please, don't use quotes that corrupt the meaning of what was said... I said:

"And there are no "practical" reasons to abuse this power, because this will achieve nothing. The only reason to abuse the power is to become even more powerful. But the Catalist can't become even more powerful than it is already..."

Which means that a person, who already has all power in the universe can't desire even more power. Simply because there is no more power left to gain.



...And let's not forget that Paragon Shepard will not abuse the power just because she don't want to.

Modifié par Seival, 19 juin 2012 - 07:02 .

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

This is what control makes you do!



/thread.

Couldn't you at least warn? I had headphones on full volume for god's sake!

And it's damm creepy!

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

This is what control makes you do!



/thread.

Couldn't you at least warn? I had headphones on full volume for god's sake!

And it's damm creepy!

I said this in the IT thread: It was my brother who posted that link while I was gone talking on the phone.

[mass perfection]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

This is what control makes you do!



/thread.

Couldn't you at least warn? I had headphones on full volume for god's sake!

And it's damm creepy!

I said this in the IT thread: It was my brother who posted that link while I was gone talking on the phone.

Why would you let your brother on in the first place?

[Ageless Face]

KingZayd wrote...

Well that's the thing. We know the Reapers are intelligent. The more control , the less likely it is. I think if the Reapers are controlled, it's through indoctrination. This would be how the Reapers are sentient, yet controlled and controlled without seeming to know that they are being controlled. But the degree of control is unclear. And controlling a Reaper's mind is one thing, knowing the structural details is another.

OK, but the Starchild also disappears between talking to you and your choice, so it disappearing doesn't really mean anything.

That's assuming the Reaping cycle is really all about synthetic vs organics. And yeah, that's why I suspect there's something else going on. The scene doesn't make sense at face value. Starchild says us being there proves his solution won't work anymore, but we're only there because he brought us. There was no reason to bring us upstairs (the crucible wasn't firing, convention victory was impossible. The Reapers had won), never mind tell us about destroy (which if true, is bad for the Reapers and does nothing about the hypothetical organics vs synthetics conflict it claims to care about). Nor is there any reason for the Starchild to care about organic life.

My first thoughts were: it's an overly elaborate way of getting us to similtaneously sabotage the Crucible and kill ourselves. But it seems to me that IT is the only way the scene makes any sense.

Maybe your'e right. Still, if find it likely that control also means to know about the reapers. The reapers indoctrinate organics through the mind. It means they know how it works (I don't believe they understand it, but that's another thing) If you believe the reapers are indoctrinated, or being control, then you should know WHERE or HOW the reaper's...mind... work. Could be that the catalyst and Shepard are just giving orders and nothing more. But it's just seems to me that you HAVE to know WHAT to control before you actually control it. 

True, I am taking the catalyst at it's word. You'll find very few people that chose control and still don't believe the catalyst. If there is something else going on, I don't see it. I think he brought Shepard up because he wanted to let an organic make the choice. Let the organics choose the path (though I think that the leaked scipt told us something about the crucible blocking the reapers or something). And the catalyst can care about organic lives as much as we care for animals. We see them as lower class than us, But we want to save them. There is no reason for us to care about animals, yet many  people do. Why can't the catalyst be similar at that aspect?

IT can make A LOT of sense. That I have on doubt. But I'd rather to take the ending at face value. Crazy and idiotic, I know. But from the start of the series I was interested in the reapers. While I think their reason of Creator/created is... stupid, I'd rather for them to have a reason for doing what they are doing. Unfourtenatly, the IT, as sensable and brilliant idea as it is, will not add an ending to the story of Mass Effect, but only of Shepard. If that makes sense .

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

I said this in the IT thread: It was my brother who posted that link while I was gone talking on the phone.

Lol, I hope you screamed to the phone in horror while watching this.  

EDIT: Oh, sorry. Didn't understand what you said. Then I hope... you didn't screamed at the phone while watching this?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[estebanus]

mass perfection wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

This is what control makes you do!



/thread.

Couldn't you at least warn? I had headphones on full volume for god's sake!

And it's damm creepy!

I said this in the IT thread: It was my brother who posted that link while I was gone talking on the phone.

Why would you let your brother on in the first place?

I forgot to turn off my account, because I was a fool and trusted him not to do something like that.

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

I forgot to turn off my account, because I was a fool and trusted him not to do something like that.

So your brother has your account at his disposal and the thing he does is to post a creepy link?

Oh, boy.  

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I forgot to turn off my account, because I was a fool and trusted him not to do something like that.

So your brother has your account at his disposal and the thing he does is to post a creepy link?

Oh, boy.  

He's a pretty well-known troll. He always does stuff like that, like posting lemonparty.org links on greenpeace sites disguised as totally other things, or posts creepy links on places like facebook.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But let's not forget that not all Shepards who choose Control are Paragons or good.

"You will hand over ______ system to earth. No? Reap them!"

Who could stop you? Think of the power!

[Seival]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But let's not forget that not all Shepards who choose Control are Paragons or good.

"You will hand over ______ system to earth. No? Reap them!"

Who could stop you? Think of the power!

The point is that Shepard is smart enough to understand what kind of power she will gain by choosing Control. This is the Ultimate Power, no other "horizons" after you'll gain that. Power-hungry person will not want this power, because there will be nothing to hungry about anymore. It's as simple as that.

[Negi type D]

I think Shepard is indoctrinated, cuz:

- Shepard wakes up in EARTHLY RUBBLE if you have more than 5000 war strength
- the Star Child, which guards us scince more years than we can count, looks like an 7 year old wanna-be Rapper HUMAN child
- the child Shepard sees in his dreams is the star child, an the one that is seen in the very first mission, going into a house, which is exploded by a reaper a second later, survives this, then disappears, later being in the evac zone, where NO ONE helps him into the ship. so no one but shepard ever sees this kid
- in his dreams shepard is surrounded by shadows, and the rachni queen in the first Mass effect talked about the indoctrination as "the whispering of dark shadows" (translated by me scince i played the german version)
- after harbinger kills everyone but shepard in front of the beam to the citadel, if you turn around, you will see the trees of the the woods in shepards dreams
- comander hackett sais everyone is dead, but talks to you like hes been watching you all the time when you are on the citadel at the end
- every one is on the normandy suddenly, when shortly before were fighting by your side

A few things of my opinion:

Control over a living, thinking species is not better as them melting us into reapers. Plus, its too unsafe in my opinion, but thats a personal point.

Destruction is very short sighted, as we destroy them to make the synthetics stop killing us, just as they destroy us to stop the synthetics from killing us (as the star child says himself).

If they existed in real life, i would not make any diference between organics an synthetics, thats like making an difference between asians and europeans (as there surely IS an genetic difference, but we figure that doesnt matter, so why should ANY physical difference matter?)

Thats why synthesis is my solution of will. if it is the "right " ending of the game? No Idea...
But as Shepard looks like a Husk in every ending except the destroy ending, this one seems preferable to me.

[Seival]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Seival wrote...

Actually there are some exceptional individuals who can withstand even torments without loosing themselves. There are such people in real life I mean. I don't remember any names right now, but you can stady the history of any major war in human history to find the names.

Being the Catalist is not even a torment. It's power... And there are no "practical" reasons to abuse this power, because this will achieve nothing. The only reason to abuse the power is to become even more powerful. But the Catalist can't become even more powerful than it is already... Shepard can actually use this power to help lesser races without harvesting them as the previous Catalist.

...And if 500000 years later harvest will begin again for the same reasons, this will only mean that the first Catalist was 100% right from the beginning, and Shepard was wrong to stop it... I want to repeat: if the harvest will begin again. And I'm afraid we have no way to know for sure. But what we really know for sure, is that in case of Synthesis or Destroy there will be no Reapers to start the Cycles if they were really inevitable.

Just to chime in here but given enough time even something with a 0.00001% chance of happening will (eventually) happen. The point here is that with Shepard now being effectively immortal who's to say what will happen 10,000/50,000/1,000,000,000 years down the line.

Of course there's a high chance that he will remain "good" but it is not a 100% chance. Furthermore being in control of that much power, he would effectively become a deity-esque figure and in that situation what's to stop him/her becoming the moral arbiter of the galaxy?

By ceasing to be human it is then very reasonable to assume that given enough time Shep would cease to adhere to human morals, ethics or laws and utilise more relevant ones to his/her observations and experiences given his/her vastly expanded viewpoint.

....you know, unless being suddenly in control of that much processing power and that amount of information drove him completely insane instantly.

I understand that you prefer to think that power corrupts... And there is a huge difference between us, because I prefer to think that



Call me idealist if you want. Because this is who I am.

Modifié par Seival, 19 juin 2012 - 08:35 .

[Taboo]

Nice. Ayn Rand agrees with you.

BLEUGH.

[Negi type D]

Modifié par Negi type D, 19 juin 2012 - 08:48 .

[estebanus]

Negi type D wrote...

I think Shepard is indoctrinated, cuz:

- Shepard wakes up in EARTHLY RUBBLE if you have more than 5000 war strength
- the Star Child, which guards us scince more years than we can count, looks like an 7 year old wanna-be Rapper HUMAN child
- the child Shepard sees in his dreams is the star child, an the one that is seen in the very first mission, going into a house, which is exploded by a reaper a second later, survives this, then disappears, later being in the evac zone, where NO ONE helps him into the ship. so no one but shepard ever sees this kid
- in his dreams shepard is surrounded by shadows, and the rachni queen in the first Mass effect talked about the indoctrination as "the whispering of dark shadows" (translated by me scince i played the german version)
- after harbinger kills everyone but shepard in front of the beam to the citadel, if you turn around, you will see the trees of the the woods in shepards dreams
- comander hackett sais everyone is dead, but talks to you like hes been watching you all the time when you are on the citadel at the end
- every one is on the normandy suddenly, when shortly before were fighting by your side

A few things of my opinion:

Control over a living, thinking species is not better as them melting us into reapers. Plus, its too unsafe in my opinion, but thats a personal point.

Destruction is very short sighted, as we destroy them to make the synthetics stop killing us, just as they destroy us to stop the synthetics from killing us (as the star child says himself).

If they existed in real life, i would not make any diference between organics an synthetics, thats like making an difference between asians and europeans (as there surely IS an genetic difference, but we figure that doesnt matter, so why should ANY physical difference matter?)

Thats why synthesis is my solution of will. if it is the "right " ending of the game? No Idea...
But as Shepard looks like a Husk in every ending except the destroy ending, this one seems preferable to me.

Not the right thread to post this in, bro. Go to the IT thread.

[Negi type D]

estebanus wrote...

Negi type D wrote...

I think Shepard is indoctrinated, cuz:

- Shepard wakes up in EARTHLY RUBBLE if you have more than 5000 war strength
- the Star Child, which guards us scince more years than we can count, looks like an 7 year old wanna-be Rapper HUMAN child
- the child Shepard sees in his dreams is the star child, an the one that is seen in the very first mission, going into a house, which is exploded by a reaper a second later, survives this, then disappears, later being in the evac zone, where NO ONE helps him into the ship. so no one but shepard ever sees this kid
- in his dreams shepard is surrounded by shadows, and the rachni queen in the first Mass effect talked about the indoctrination as "the whispering of dark shadows" (translated by me scince i played the german version)
- after harbinger kills everyone but shepard in front of the beam to the citadel, if you turn around, you will see the trees of the the woods in shepards dreams
- comander hackett sais everyone is dead, but talks to you like hes been watching you all the time when you are on the citadel at the end
- every one is on the normandy suddenly, when shortly before were fighting by your side

A few things of my opinion:

Control over a living, thinking species is not better as them melting us into reapers. Plus, its too unsafe in my opinion, but thats a personal point.

Destruction is very short sighted, as we destroy them to make the synthetics stop killing us, just as they destroy us to stop the synthetics from killing us (as the star child says himself).

If they existed in real life, i would not make any diference between organics an synthetics, thats like making an difference between asians and europeans (as there surely IS an genetic difference, but we figure that doesnt matter, so why should ANY physical difference matter?)

Thats why synthesis is my solution of will. if it is the "right " ending of the game? No Idea...
But as Shepard looks like a Husk in every ending except the destroy ending, this one seems preferable to me.

Not the right thread to post this in, bro. Go to the IT thread.

Im sorry, there just were some talks about this here, so i thought it might be ok... just ignore it then:innocent:

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

The point is that Shepard is smart enough to understand what kind of power she will gain by choosing Control. This is the Ultimate Power, no other "horizons" after you'll gain that. Power-hungry person will not want this power, because there will be nothing to hungry about anymore. It's as simple as that.

I atually don't really agree with this statement, Seival. While I don't believe my Shepard will do such a thing (at least in the first two hundred years) there are also people that want Shepard to control the galaxy. There are people in this very thread that said that.

The reapers hold in themselves a lot of power. Even I, who played a full paragon and I am quite a naive person who chose control, no longer believe that at some point Shepard won't break down. One person cannot have so much power and not go crazy by it. A good did there is turning to justice here. Then vangence, which turns into blood lust. Then, domination for "the good of all" even a paragon Shepard won't be able to mentain such a level of power of strong will forever. I imagine that when Shepard break the galaxy will advance enough to defeat the reapers. But I rather doubt Shepard will live as a protector for enternity.

That doesn't mean I don't believe in control, though. I think the reapers will help the galaxy advance so much that the reapers will eventually be such a force the galactic society will be able to defeat quite easily.  

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[Seival]

Negi type D wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Negi type D wrote...

I think Shepard is indoctrinated, cuz:

- Shepard wakes up in EARTHLY RUBBLE if you have more than 5000 war strength
- the Star Child, which guards us scince more years than we can count, looks like an 7 year old wanna-be Rapper HUMAN child
- the child Shepard sees in his dreams is the star child, an the one that is seen in the very first mission, going into a house, which is exploded by a reaper a second later, survives this, then disappears, later being in the evac zone, where NO ONE helps him into the ship. so no one but shepard ever sees this kid
- in his dreams shepard is surrounded by shadows, and the rachni queen in the first Mass effect talked about the indoctrination as "the whispering of dark shadows" (translated by me scince i played the german version)
- after harbinger kills everyone but shepard in front of the beam to the citadel, if you turn around, you will see the trees of the the woods in shepards dreams
- comander hackett sais everyone is dead, but talks to you like hes been watching you all the time when you are on the citadel at the end
- every one is on the normandy suddenly, when shortly before were fighting by your side

A few things of my opinion:

Control over a living, thinking species is not better as them melting us into reapers. Plus, its too unsafe in my opinion, but thats a personal point.

Destruction is very short sighted, as we destroy them to make the synthetics stop killing us, just as they destroy us to stop the synthetics from killing us (as the star child says himself).

If they existed in real life, i would not make any diference between organics an synthetics, thats like making an difference between asians and europeans (as there surely IS an genetic difference, but we figure that doesnt matter, so why should ANY physical difference matter?)

Thats why synthesis is my solution of will. if it is the "right " ending of the game? No Idea...
But as Shepard looks like a Husk in every ending except the destroy ending, this one seems preferable to me.

Not the right thread to post this in, bro. Go to the IT thread.

Im sorry, there just were some talks about this here, so i thought it might be ok... just ignore it then:innocent:

We prefered to stop "IT" discussion here, because this thread is pure anti-"IT" by nature. No need to start more "holy wars" here. There is a good thread for anti-vs-pro debate: http://social.biowar.../index/12593947

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

The point is that Shepard is smart enough to understand what kind of power she will gain by choosing Control. This is the Ultimate Power, no other "horizons" after you'll gain that. Power-hungry person will not want this power, because there will be nothing to hungry about anymore. It's as simple as that.

I atually don't really agree with this statement, Seival. While I don't believe my Shepard will do such a thing (at least in the first two hundred years) there are also people that want Shepard to control the galaxy. There are people in this very thread that said that.

The reapers hold in themselves a lot of power. Even I, who played a full paragon and I am quite a naive person who chose control, no longer believe that at some point Shepard won't break down. One person cannot have so much power and not go crazy by it. A good did there is turning to justice here. Then vangence, which turns into blood lust. Then, domination for "the good of all" even a paragon Shepard won't be able to mentain such a level of power of strong will forever. I imagine that when Shepard break the galaxy will advance enough to defeat the reapers. But I rather doubt Shepard will live as a protector for enternity.

That doesn't mean I don't believe in control, though. I think the reapers will help the galaxy advance so much that the reapers will eventually be such a force the galactic society will be able to defeat quite easily.  

I understand your point.

But I still think that Ultimate Power just can't be abused because of its nature. Power-hungry people desire power to gain even more power, and then more, and more. Catalist has Ultimate Power plus little and fragile Galactic Civilization to live with. Catalist can't get anything from them. Galactic Civilization just has nothing to offer to the Catalist, it has nothing that the Catalist could desire. There is almost nothing actually that Shepard can really do with this power. I can see only this (or similar) way of using the Reapers: capital ship can be used to save some colony from a giant asteroid for example...

...You know... I would be very pleased, if BioWare will make such scene for an epilogue: Shepard-Catalist uses one of the Reaper capital ships to save some Batarian colony from the asteroid. It could be EPIC. A Reaper appears "from nowhere", grabs the rock, and changes its course. BioWare please, make it happen in EC

[Mingolo]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Mingolo

Are you also planning to take the Citadel races' resources, tech?

Are you planning to use the harvestration tech? and indoctrination?

Sincerely asking. Just curious what are you going to do.

Sorry for the following wall of text, but you asked.

No need for their resources at the beginning, maybe if I needed any I would go get them from "bad guys" in the terminus systems and underdeveloped planets. For non-sentient resource needs, reapers could colonize planets for themselves, just like regular organics do. For more large scale and sentient resource needs, read last  two paragraphs. And about the tech, I was actually thinking since the goal would be to make the alliance the ruler of the galaxy like the protheans were (and later extend that to other galaxies if possible), the Alliance could be taught some limited understanding of reaper tech, to give them an advantage over others. Emphasis, however, on LIMITED and SOME. It would be more important to keep the reapers much more advanced than organics, including through many regular upgrades of reaper tech to make them even more advanced, and such upgrades would not be shared with anyone.

Indoctrination, the slow kind that allows the victim to last many years, would be a regular practice to keep alien species submissive under humanity's rule, should be very effective at doing that. It might even extend to some top ranking humans as well, you never know if your apprentice will want to turn on you, Sith style.

Harvesting would be done to any prisoners the reapers take in wars. Harvesting of an entire species would be done when a species is deemed too problematic and rebellious to exist. For example, if a certain species declares war against the reapers and the Alliance and it becomes hard to put them down by diplomatic means or conventional warefare. Like I said earlier, however, this would be in the absolute worst cases. Ideally, the change to an imperial rule of the galaxy by the Alliance would be so slow (would be a gradual process over decades) and politically well done that there would not be much resistance to it. Violence inside your own territorry lowers morale, creates more conflicts, raises the probability of rebellions, and generally makes people not like the government; so the goal would be to keep everything as peaceful, or quiet, as possible inside the Milky Way itself.

Outside the Milky Way however...things would be different. If travel to other galaxies is found to be possible, the reapers would send scouts to galaxies which are deemed good candidates, analyze their technology level to make sure they do not stand a chance to win, and exterminate/harvest/indoctrinate them all to the last one, except the ones not very advanced. Not to be evil or anything, but to replenish our resources, ground forces, and navy. Once we are done with it, then the process of helping the Alliance colonize this other galaxy would begin.

One of the main goals would be to find how to travel to other galaxies, but if it is found that it is not possible at all, then I guess plan B would be to provoke certain species into wars through indoctrination and secret operations, make them attack us so that we have to fight back and harvest their worlds. But this would be bad for galactic stability and morale...so I really wouldn't like doing that, makes it a lot harder to rule when the people don't like the government. I'd try finding ways to replenish the reapers with as little violence as possible inside the Milky Way, but if it's unavoidable, it's unavoidable.



PS: @Seival, if you read the above and my other posts, you will find that it is indeed very possible to "abuse" the "ultimate power." There is this nice quote that says "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Modifié par Mingolo, 19 juin 2012 - 10:17 .

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mingolo wrote...

In my opinion, if the control ending is not a reaper trick, it is the best ending.

My theory is, Shepard's body dies but his consciousness is uploaded into the catalyst, and from there on, Shepard is the catalyst. Either that, or his consciousness get uploaded into some kind of Reaper Cloud Program that overrides the catalyst's orders or evens deletes the catalyst altogether.

Now, if you think what means...you're still alive, but you're now a machine, an immortal being, maybe even considered a god given that you control this invincible army of immense, sentient warships. And if you want a body to interact with people and your old squad members, you can easily make yourself an android body that looks and feels human, and it is immortal.

Furthermore, this ending, unlike the destruction ending, leaves the reapers and all their tech, except the relays, intact, making you able to order the reapers to recreate all mass relays very easily, and able to use the reapers to take the other species stuck on Earth back to their planets (Reaper FTL travel is twice that of citadel species' ships). In the destruction ending, the only other ending in which it's possible for Shepard to live, everything is destroyed, making it a lot harder to fix the relays and get everyone back to their planets.

Of course, the EC may prove all this wrong and make the control ending really bad...so I'll have to wait and see.

Well, the game clearly states that Shepard stopped the Reapers no matter which option was chosen. So, Control is not a trick. You can be 100% sure about that, because EC will not change the endings.

False. The game states that Shepard became a legend for stopping the Reapers. It is very much possible, that people celebrated Shepard's victory, and then after some time, Shepard went crazy/lost himself and sends the Reapers back.

It's the difference between being well behaved, and getting time off for good behaviour.

I have no idea why do you think that Shepard will try to continue the Cycles. It's like thinking that after Destroy ending Shepard will try to rebuild the dead Reapers... 

...Person like Shepard just can't become psychopath. That's why such person called Remarkably Strong Willed, and Incorruptible.

He has forever to do so. Everybody breaks eventually. He might not "continue the cycles", but eventually it is likely he will abuse the power.

Incorrect. Even not all humans "brake eventually". And most importantly, the Catalist is not a human. It's an AI with enormous processing power, and no weak-living-being body. Shepard's incorruptible mind and the Catalist's properties make Shepard-Catalist 100% immune to all mental deseases.

They actually do. Also, we've seen that AIs are by no means perfect. A) you don't know that Shepard becomes like the Starchild, and there is nothing to suggest that that Shepard's personality wouldn't change over time.

Actually there are some exceptional individuals who can withstand even torments without loosing themselves. There are such people in real life I mean. I don't remember any names right now, but you can stady the history of any major war in human history to find the names.

Being the Catalist is not even a torment. It's power... And there are no "practical" reasons to abuse this power, because this will achieve nothing. The only reason to abuse the power is to become even more powerful. But the Catalist can't become even more powerful than it is already... Shepard can actually use this power to help lesser races without harvesting them as the previous Catalist.

...And if 500000 years later harvest will begin again for the same reasons, this will only mean that the first Catalist was 100% right from the beginning, and Shepard was wrong to stop it... I want to repeat: if the harvest will begin again. And I'm afraid we have no way to know for sure. But what we really know for sure, is that in case of Synthesis or Destroy there will be no Reapers to start the Cycles if they were really inevitable.

Some exceptional individuals can resist longer than others. Nobody can withstand torments for ever. Everybody breaks eventually. And I'm sure you can't find in any historical example of someone withstanding torment for centuries, never mind eternity. But please, do show me the list of names

Power is meaningless if you don't use it. And not everybody seems to get the same thrill from power that you apparently do. Power is a means to achieve/obtain things. Power in of itself is meaningless. That said, he can become even more powerful. Being king of the galaxy > being king of the Reapers. And there are other reasons to abuse this power. Enforcing his views on the galaxy, is but one of them.

Why would a later harvest mean that the Starchild was right? It would just mean that whoever initiated the cycles, Shepard, or Starchild, or a combination if somehow they've combined, agrees with the Starchild. Or has some other reason for farming organics. Also, in the Synthesis ending the Reapers are still around. And there being no Reapers after Destroy is a GOOD thing, and THAT is how you permanently avoid the Reaper cycle.

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But let's not forget that not all Shepards who choose Control are Paragons or good.

"You will hand over ______ system to earth. No? Reap them!"

Who could stop you? Think of the power!

The point is that Shepard is smart enough to understand what kind of power she will gain by choosing Control. This is the Ultimate Power, no other "horizons" after you'll gain that. Power-hungry person will not want this power, because there will be nothing to hungry about anymore. It's as simple as that.

That's like saying a hungry person will have no interest in an All-you-can-eat buffet, because there's no reason to be hungry anymore.

Modifié par KingZayd, 19 juin 2012 - 11:34 .