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[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

Control is not about paragon-renegade. There are too many different outcomes to it.

A certain Shepard can want to be a peace keeper, someone else will want the reapers to fly into the sun. Another Shepard will make all the synthetics to die. Another Shepard will kill organics and continue the cycle.

Another Shepard will want to rule the galaxy.

It's not being insane. It's wanting the ultimute power. It's part of human nature. Once you will be handed a tool to get to that power, few will be able to resist. Maybe a certain Shepard always wanted to rule the galaxy? Thought everyone were beneath her/him? Maybe s/he thought that only humans are able to rule. Why wouldn't Shepard do that? There's nothing stopping him/her now. It's not insanity. It's beeing... Ethically wrong. I don't agree with that sort of power abusing. But it's just stupid to say every Shepard will do some good with the reapers. Because it's not true. Not everyone play the same Shepard.

I'm not sure I agree with this, doesnt the catalyst say that you will lose everything? Im assuming that means that control shepard isnt "Shepard" anymore... 

[D24O]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Control is not about paragon-renegade. There are too many different outcomes to it.

A certain Shepard can want to be a peace keeper, someone else will want the reapers to fly into the sun. Another Shepard will make all the synthetics to die. Another Shepard will kill organics and continue the cycle.

Another Shepard will want to rule the galaxy.

It's not being insane. It's wanting the ultimute power. It's part of human nature. Once you will be handed a tool to get to that power, few will be able to resist. Maybe a certain Shepard always wanted to rule the galaxy? Thought everyone were beneath her/him? Maybe s/he thought that only humans are able to rule. Why wouldn't Shepard do that? There's nothing stopping him/her now. It's not insanity. It's beeing... Ethically wrong. I don't agree with that sort of power abusing. But it's just stupid to say every Shepard will do some good with the reapers. Because it's not true. Not everyone play the same Shepard.

I'm not sure I agree with this, doesnt the catalyst say that you will lose everything? Im assuming that means that control shepard isnt "Shepard" anymore... 

These speculations brought to you by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...

I'm not sure I agree with this, doesnt the catalyst say that you will lose everything? Im assuming that means that control shepard isnt "Shepard" anymore... 

True, he does. My speculation, that the catalyst doesn't really see death as organics do. Why do I say it? Because when we see reapers taking the genetic material as death, the catalyst sees it as ascension. The body is more or less there, only in another form, but the mind isn't. So, when the catalyst says "You will die" he means that Shepard's organic body will be destroyed. That is true, no question. We see the body burns. The mind, though... I believe there is a reason why Shepard touched the rods. Wether it's mind upload to the reapers, becoming the new catalyst, I don't know.

Even without me speculating on the catalyst's nature, we know the reapers go away and not continuing to kill people, we know that the plan worked out anyway. Meaning, that Shepard didn't continue the cycles when s/he had the chance. If Shepard wouldn't keep his/her mind and have the catalyst's, Shepard would have done just that. 

So, Shepard most likely kept his/her mind and will do whatever s/he wants with the reapers. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 22 juin 2012 - 04:06 .

[KaeserZen]

I can never trust someone asking me to put my hands on two rods, that are conveniently placed in the bottom hull part of a space-station, and actually in space, built by an enemy wanting to erradicate me, when these two rods are also supposed to be the control panel designed to synergize with a WMD invented by the ennemies of my annihilating ennemies, which was supposed to eradicate the latter.

Something smells SO fishy in this, especially when the enemy leader is telling me I would die. Clearly, it's a major leap of faith I'm not willing to take to trust someone I just met, and who was trying to turn my species into goo the entire time.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Yes, TIM was a Renegade, not an insane person. That's why I think that even TIM would abandon his idea to use the Reapers to place the humanity above all other races if he could became the Catalist. Why? Because there will be no point in that anymore. Galactic Civilization is so far below the Catalist and the Reapers. 

Having millions upon millions of the Reapers TIM will not be interested in shaping so small and fragile Galactic Civilization. Galactic Civilization will be like a "anthill" to him... But he might want to preserve the "anthill" from threats like a "fire".

...Ask yourself, what will you do if you will have an anthill not far away from your house. I think, that you will do nothing. Or maybe you will approach it to observe it sometimes. Will you try to save the ants from some stupid kids who may try to burn them?

What? Where have you got that from? Why wouldn't there be a point to it? TIM doesn't want to place himself on top. He wants to place all humans on top. He could get that with the reapers. There is a very big point in using the reapers.

If galactic civilization is so below the catalyst, then he wouldn't have all of that "solution" for the synthetic/organic problem, no would he? He wouldn't even talk to shepard when she comes. Why does the catalyst needs to bother himself with the organics, if they are so uninmoprtant?

You also forget that the catalyst is not an organic, when Shepard  and TIM are. Even if the catalyst doesn't care about galactic civilization, Shepard and TIM do. If both of them would stay as they are, they WILL care about galactic society and the poeple in it. Otherwise, Shepard would not even protect the galaxy when they'll need to, and that makes all of our assumptions of Shepard defending the galaxy as false.

I believe Shepard will stay the same. So, Shepard will do what s/he wants with the reapers. Wether it is to protect, fly them off, or rule the galaxy with them. 

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Placing a Catalist atop Galactic Civilization is like placing 1000000 M1 Abrams tanks atop an anthill. Only insane person will ever want this to happen, a person who wants to "play god" with lesser creatures. Even TIM is not like that. He is smart enough and will understand, that placing one ants atop of the others will achieve nothing in scale of the Reapers existance. But he might help the ants to overcome some catastrophical events they can't handle themselves.

...Shepard is not organic anymore when she becomes the Catalist. But she keeps her personality. The personality that is the organic whole with the ageless 45km long space station and millions upon millions of Reapers. She has no human body weaknesses anymore, so her mind can't be corrupted...

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Placing a Catalist atop Galactic Civilization is like placing 1000000 M1 Abrams tanks atop an anthill. Only insane person will ever want this to happen, a person who wants to "play god" with lesser creatures. Even TIM is not like that. He is smart enough and will understand, that placing one ants atop of the others will achieve nothing in scale of the Reapers existance. But he might help the ants to overcome some catastrophical events they can't handle themselves.

...Shepard is not organic anymore when she becomes the Catalist. But she keeps her personality. The personality that is the organic whole with the ageless 45km long space station and millions upon millions of Reapers. She has no human body weaknesses anymore, so her mind can't be corrupted...

WHAT? I'm sorry Seival, but that's just ridiculous. TIM wants to play god. That's why he wanted to control the reapers. That's why he wants human dominance. Of course he sees every other race as "lesser". He's not insane by wanting this. He's just a ethically bad. 

A Shepard that wants human dominace will not want to place humans on top anymore, but a Shepard that wants everything to be good in the galaxy will help everyone? I'm sorry, but that doesn't work that way. Either every Shepard keeps his/her personality. or no Shepard will keep.

And the human mind has nothing to do with the human body in this case. A human mind CAN be corrupted. You may not like it, but it can. Just because Shepard is moving to another form, it doesn't mean she will loose the bad things about humans. Keeping personality meaning keeping everything about it. And what about the Shepards who were corrupted before? What about the Shepard who secretly wanted what TIM did, but needed to act under Alliance rules? And don't say there aren't Shepards like that. There are. I've seen many people here that saw their Shepards like that.  

[Mingolo]

Now that the EC has been announced for Tuesday, I think this is what going to happen in the control ending: Shepard takes the reapers to dark space and never comes back.

Synthesis ending: reapers go to dark space and never come back

Destruction: reapers are destroyed and never come back

Call me a pessimistic, but although I would like what happens in the control ending to be highly varied and dependent on the player's decisions up til that point...I think they will all still be largely the same thing in different colors.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Placing a Catalist atop Galactic Civilization is like placing 1000000 M1 Abrams tanks atop an anthill. Only insane person will ever want this to happen, a person who wants to "play god" with lesser creatures. Even TIM is not like that. He is smart enough and will understand, that placing one ants atop of the others will achieve nothing in scale of the Reapers existance. But he might help the ants to overcome some catastrophical events they can't handle themselves.

...Shepard is not organic anymore when she becomes the Catalist. But she keeps her personality. The personality that is the organic whole with the ageless 45km long space station and millions upon millions of Reapers. She has no human body weaknesses anymore, so her mind can't be corrupted...

WHAT? I'm sorry Seival, but that's just ridiculous. TIM wants to play god. That's why he wanted to control the reapers. That's why he wants human dominance. Of course he sees every other race as "lesser". He's not insane by wanting this. He's just a ethically bad. 

A Shepard that wants human dominace will not want to place humans on top anymore, but a Shepard that wants everything to be good in the galaxy will help everyone? I'm sorry, but that doesn't work that way. Either every Shepard keeps his/her personality. or no Shepard will keep.

And the human mind has nothing to do with the human body in this case. A human mind CAN be corrupted. You may not like it, but it can. Just because Shepard is moving to another form, it doesn't mean she will loose the bad things about humans. Keeping personality meaning keeping everything about it. And what about the Shepards who were corrupted before? What about the Shepard who secretly wanted what TIM did, but needed to act under Alliance rules? And don't say there aren't Shepards like that. There are. I've seen many people here that saw their Shepards like that.  

Don't worry. It's just the way I see it. Call me idealist if you want

TIM wanted to play god indeed. But my opinion is that he will change his mind about that as soon as he becomes the Catalist... If he could become the Catalist I mean. The same goes for power-hungry Renagade Shepard if such thing even exists...

...It's not a human mind anymore. It's a super-advanced AI with unlimited processing power and Shepard's personality. Such mind can't be affected by some "negative mental effects" as a fragile-human-being mind. But such mind still can analize and make conclusions.

[Seival]

Just watched the recent EC announcement. And it made me to feel warm inside. Thank you BioWare

...Going to listen all my favorite TSFH songs right now 

[iHorizons]

incinerator950 wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

Garbage!!!!

The community, the board, the endings, or the game?

This thread and the endings. I really like ME3 but I'm tired of Seival starting these troll threads 

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

Don't worry. It's just the way I see it. Call me idealist if you want

TIM wanted to play god indeed. But my opinion is that he will change his mind about that as soon as he becomes the Catalist... If he could become the Catalist I mean. The same goes for power-hungry Renagade Shepard if such thing even exists...

...It's not a human mind anymore. It's a super-advanced AI with unlimited processing power and Shepard's personality. Such mind can't be affected by some 
"negative mental effects"  as a fragile-human-being mind. But such mind still can analize and make conclusions.

Sorry, didn't mean to get mad, or offend you in any way. Sorry if it came out that way 

Well, if we will say Shepard won't have any "negative mental effects" we can also say she wouldn't have any 
"positive mental effects". Shepard won't have any feelings whatsoever. So, the cycles will continue. Yet we saw the reapers leave in control. So Shepard have feelings of wanting the reapers to get the hell out of Earth. Shepard has feelings. Feeliings is part of human nature. Thus, Shepard is a human with human needs. 

Therefore, Shepard can be corrupted. If you truly don't believe Shepard kept her negative feelings, then she will also never have positive ones. Shepard will continue the cycles, unfourtenatly.



*sigh* Let's just hope the EC will come and bring us our answers. And will make everyone happy.

Damm it, can't Tuesday come any faster? 

[Seival]

iHorizons wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

iHorizons wrote...

Garbage!!!!

The community, the board, the endings, or the game?

This thread and the endings. I really like ME3 but I'm tired of Seival starting these troll threads 

I think that you should try to understand the endings instead of just rejecting them... And you have to understand that it was you who is trolling here, not me.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Don't worry. It's just the way I see it. Call me idealist if you want

TIM wanted to play god indeed. But my opinion is that he will change his mind about that as soon as he becomes the Catalist... If he could become the Catalist I mean. The same goes for power-hungry Renagade Shepard if such thing even exists...

...It's not a human mind anymore. It's a super-advanced AI with unlimited processing power and Shepard's personality. Such mind can't be affected by some 
"negative mental effects"  as a fragile-human-being mind. But such mind still can analize and make conclusions.

Sorry, didn't mean to get mad, or offend you in any way. Sorry if it came out that way 

Well, if we will say Shepard won't have any "negative mental effects" we can also say she wouldn't have any 
"positive mental effects". Shepard won't have any feelings whatsoever. So, the cycles will continue. Yet we saw the reapers leave in control. So Shepard have feelings of wanting the reapers to get the hell out of Earth. Shepard has feelings. Feeliings is part of human nature. Thus, Shepard is a human with human needs. 

Therefore, Shepard can be corrupted. If you truly don't believe Shepard kept her negative feelings, then she will also never have positive ones. Shepard will continue the cycles, unfourtenatly.



*sigh* Let's just hope the EC will come and bring us our answers. And will make everyone happy.

Damm it, can't Tuesday come any faster? 

It's ok. Don't worry

Yes, I think that Catalist-Shepard can't have feelings like a living being, but she still has her preferences. I think that Catalist-Shepard will be something similar to EDI, but in much larger scale.

[Seival]

I should raise galactic readiness to 100% before the EC release. Good thing I kept it around 80% all this time

[Seival]

Just made a new banner. And again I want to show it here before adding it to OP:

[Seival]

And the same one with another font. Need to test which one is better...

[Hadeedak]

Ooo. I do like that one. Though I'm not a giant banner person. But I figured I'd weigh in with that... Suits my paragade control Shepard.... Garrusmancer.

[mass perfection]

Can you make a smaller one,please?

[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

Can you make a smaller one,please?

Smaller one will be completely unreadable, I'm afraid. I have to admit, that even the current one has font issues. I'll see what I can do

[mass perfection]

Seival wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Can you make a smaller one,please?

Smaller one will be completely unreadable, I'm afraid. I have to admit, that even the current one has font issues. I'll see what I can do

Thank you.

[UWxMaserati]

1. Control the Reapers
2. Start intergalactic game show called Battlereapers, a knock off of modern day Battlebots.

[Seival]

Had to rework the banner completely:



Now I think it will be possible to make smaller readable versions.

Modifié par Seival, 23 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[Seival]

Added all three size variants to OP and Control Support group

[Seival]

Hadeedak wrote...

Ooo. I do like that one. Though I'm not a giant banner person. But I figured I'd weigh in with that... Suits my paragade control Shepard.... Garrusmancer.

I think the new one is better. You are welcome to use it

[Erixxxx]

Holy crap, how could I not have noticed this thread before now? O.o

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