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[Carlthestrange]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...
Synthesis? You just did the Reapers job for them.

Advanced life wiped out, and younger ones are left alone?

No, forcing life to evolve along their path.

[CroGamer002]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...
Synthesis? You just did the Reapers job for them.

Advanced life wiped out, and younger ones are left alone?

Well, you pretty much made everyone to become a Reaper.


Congrats!

[mauro2222]

The fact that Shepard, EDI, and Tali survived Destroy.
And the idiotic comment of StarChild about apex of evolution in synthesis and "there will be peace", makes me doubt about "You can control us".

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Hey Seival, mind if I use the banner you are using for your sig?

Sure. I created it for everyone

Hey, can you create one small banner?

Cause I have very little space left for my sig.

I tried to make it smaller before. I'm afraid the the smaller one will be unreadable... or at least will look corrupted.

Maybe I'll create completely new additional small banner when I'll have a time.

[CroGamer002]

mauro2222 wrote...

The fact that Shepard, EDI, and Tali survived Destroy.
And the idiotic comment of StarChild about apex of evolution in synthesis and "there will be peace", makes me doubt about "You can control us".

EDI surviving is a bug.


And did you forgot that Starbrat is made of stupid?

Seival wrote...

I tried to make it smaller before. I'm afraid the the smaller one will be unreadable... or at least will look corrupted.

Maybe I'll create completely new additional small banner when I'll have a time.

Thanks.

Modifié par Mesina2, 27 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[mauro2222]

Mesina2 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...
Synthesis? You just did the Reapers job for them.

Advanced life wiped out, and younger ones are left alone?

Well, you pretty much made everyone to become a Reaper.


Congrats!

That's not what synthesis does. Is not even part of the original Reaper plan.

The Reaper is a shell wich contains the essence of a determined species, the Reaper is not this essence, its just a container with a VI.

Is not an hybrid of both of them, this is not Mass Effect 2 anymore.

Regardless of that, I hate Synthesis.

[Gorkan86]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...
Synthesis? You just did the Reapers job for them.

Advanced life wiped out, and younger ones are left alone?

No, forcing life to evolve along their path.

No, that's a new possibility. Crucible create it, you should know the story.
 

Modifié par Gorkan86, 27 mai 2012 - 09:10 .

[Carlthestrange]

Gorkan86 wrote...

 

Amazing! I never saw it that way!

[mauro2222]

Mesina2 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The fact that Shepard, EDI, and Tali survived Destroy.
And the idiotic comment of StarChild about apex of evolution in synthesis and "there will be peace", makes me doubt about "You can control us".

EDI surviving is a bug.


And did you forgot that Starbrat is made of stupid?

... that doesn't make the doubt go away. In fact you are helping my doubt

[Seival]

mauro2222 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

The fact that Shepard, EDI, and Tali survived Destroy.
And the idiotic comment of StarChild about apex of evolution in synthesis and "there will be peace", makes me doubt about "You can control us".

EDI surviving is a bug.


And did you forgot that Starbrat is made of stupid?

... that doesn't make the doubt go away. In fact you are helping my doubt

Normandy crash scene is the most noticeable disadvantage of each ending, not just Control...

[Archontor]

How does Shep control them, he's did, he vaporised on considerable pain whilst surrounded by lightning. If it really was brain uploading they'd just strap some electrodes to their head and fall over dead.

[mauro2222]

Seival wrote...

Normandy crash scene is the most noticeable disadvantage of each ending, not just Control...

There is no doubt on that

[Vigil_N7]

The argument that control is bad because that's what TIM suggest is completely and utterly ludicrous and makes me want to face palm.

Seriously, how black and white do people want to make this game? The antagonist might actually be right? OH NOES!!!!!!!

Pssh, if anything it makes the moral dilemma even better, and adds to TIM's character. The Illusive Man was never a flat out bad guy, he was pragmatic unlike Shepard who was much more of an idealist. Yes he was indoctrinated at the end, and his overwhelming desire for human dominance was narrow-minded but it made sense and was done for what TIM thought was the most altruistic motives.

Shepard controlling the reapers and the indoctrinated TIM controlling them are completely different but time and time again its overlooked. TIM wanted to control them to establish human dominance in the galaxy. Shepard, paragon at least, would control them to end the reaper threat, break the cycle and perhaps act as some sort of galactic peacekeeper. Every Shepard is different so what one might do with the reapers someone else might not, but its not like shepard and TIM are the same.

I picked destroy originally, still would, but control is the "best" of the endings in their current form, so I whole heartedly support it. If Shepard didn't die in control - 90% of the forum would support it. If people like destroy because shepard survives then that's there prerogative - but people make insane logical jumps that make no sense to refute the merits of control and to support destroy, in some way to "soothe" their conscious about destroy and its consequences.

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

How does Shep control them, he's did, he vaporised on considerable pain whilst surrounded by lightning. If it really was brain uploading they'd just strap some electrodes to their head and fall over dead.

More and more people are starting to realize that Shepard becomes a new Catalist in control ending

[Ageless Face]

Bad King wrote...


True, but control does seem to be more in line with the renegade ideals to me- its about ambition and harnessing dangerous reaper tech for the good of the galaxy (which is in line with preserving the collector base in ME2). The paragon ideal when it comes to reaper tech is more about caution and disdain towards the technology itself (which was the main reason why destroying the collector base was a paragon decision).

The fact that going renegade in ME2 points you towards achieving Control in ME3 is further evidence for this. Of course, the paragon and renegade paths are both very inconsistent, but the general trend of these paths does point to control being the more renegade option in my view.

I don't really think the destruction of the reaper base is about the reapers, not exactly. It's more about giving TIM the inforamtion or not. Throughout all ME2, paragon Shepard only disagreed with TIM. It's no wonder that in the final choice- Wether to leave the base intact or not and let cerberus study it- it's paragon Shepard who does decide to let the base be destroyed. If the base was left to the Alliance you can bet Shepard would have let them study it as they pleased. I can say for sure I would left the base intact if it was not TIM who wanted it.

And as for control being paragon or renegede... I really think in the final choices BioWare needed to leave the colors out. It's really messing up judements. Control can be either paragon for leaveing everyone alive, and be renegade for controling the reapers.

[Archontor]

Seival wrote...

Archontor wrote...

How does Shep control them, he's did, he vaporised on considerable pain whilst surrounded by lightning. If it really was brain uploading they'd just strap some electrodes to their head and fall over dead.

More and more people are starting to realize that Shepard becomes a new Catalist in control ending

 

Didn't answer a thing, if you get vaporised you die. 

More importantly Shep becomes another genocidal ****. 

That's more than a defeat it's just depressing.

[Ageless Face]

Archontor wrote...

Didn't answer a thing, if you get vaporised you die. 

More importantly Shep becomes another genocidal ****. 

That's more than a defeat it's just depressing.

Explain exactly why controling the reapers is a genocide. I've seen this comment too many times, and I'm ashamed to say I still don't get why.

[Archontor]

HagarIshay wrote...

Archontor wrote...

Didn't answer a thing, if you get vaporised you die. 

More importantly Shep becomes another genocidal ****. 

That's more than a defeat it's just depressing.

Explain exactly why controling the reapers is a genocide. I've seen this comment too many times, and I'm ashamed to say I still don't get why.

 

I'm not saying controlling the reapers is genocide I'm saying the defining trait of the Catalyst and his Squids is being genocidal.

[Seival]

Archontor wrote...

Seival wrote...

Archontor wrote...

How does Shep control them, he's did, he vaporised on considerable pain whilst surrounded by lightning. If it really was brain uploading they'd just strap some electrodes to their head and fall over dead.

More and more people are starting to realize that Shepard becomes a new Catalist in control ending

 

Didn't answer a thing, if you get vaporised you die. 

More importantly Shep becomes another genocidal ****. 

That's more than a defeat it's just depressing.

As a new Catalist, Shepard keeps her personality. You can see the proof of it in the ending itself - Reapers go away, remaining under full Shepard's control. I just can't call this "Shepard died" no matter Shepard lost her body. I can call it only "Shepard survived, and become heavily upgraded". Citadel is her new body. Beautiful, isn't it?

[Seboist]

Allowing TIM to finish off Anderscum and picking control is the best ending.

[Catamantaloedis]

TIM was right all along. See my topic about it.

[Leafs43]

If you side with TIM, you're doing it wrong.

It's like mario siding with Bowser and letting Bowser marry Peach.

It's like Link saying Gannon had the right idea all along.

It's like saying the Sniper and Spy from TF2 are best friends.

Modifié par Leafs43, 27 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[Omega2079]

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Modifié par Omega2079, 27 mai 2012 - 09:49 .

[mango smoothie]

Leafs43 wrote...

If you side with TIM, you're doing it wrong.

Just because you choose Control doesn't mean you sided with TIM.

[jijeebo]

I support this. Control and all the glorious headcanon possibilities that it entails is the best option in a pretty bad situation imo. xD