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[Erixxxx]

People with differing ending preferences getting along on BSN? What is this sorc- space magic!?

[Wowky]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Wowky wrote...
And that's the great thing about ME - my interpretation is ultimately what drives my decisions

I'm not saying that people who chose Control or Synthesis were wrong, I'm just saying that was the way I interpreted things and that was why I chose NOT to go for Control.

Ah...in that case, I agree. Your stance is a possible interpretation of things. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

All good

I genuinely believe, that unless IT turns out to be right, there is no "correct" ending. It's only as "correct" as a person interprets it to be.

[Erixxxx]

Wowky wrote...

All good

I genuinely believe, that unless IT turns out to be right, there is no "correct" ending. It's only as "correct" as a person interprets it to be.

Exactly my thoughts. No matter what people try to make themselves or others believe that there is a universal "perfect" ending, it just isn't so. One ending that's perfect to one person is an absolutely horrible and twisted crime against humanity for another person.

A lot of people in this world really don't know what to do about grey. :innocent:

[Seival]

Agreed, there is no "best ending". There are three completely different ways to stop the Reapers. You just choose the one you like the most...

...And that's one of the reasons why "IT" is not going to happen, by the way.

[Ageless Face]

Actually I talked with some of the IT supporters. Some said they believe that all the choices will indoctrinate, some acknowlage it's a possibility. Some, while not believing control and synthesis are right options, will have no problem with all the choices indoctrinate. IF the IT was planned, there can be a chance all the choices will indoctrinate. Wether BioWare planned it or will adopt it.

I'm still not a fan of the IT, but in the chance BioWare actually thought it, lied about the EC and the content in it, or will future a DLC about the IT, the IT will be much more of acceptable to me if all the choices are more or less equal. I also think I'm kind of starting to understand why people love the IT so much. esspecially if all the choices will indoctrinate, seeing Shepard struggle to mentain control over his/her body. Still, I prefer the ending taken as it is, only with more explanation to it. A GOOD explanation. Here's to hoping the EC will bring one =)

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Actually I talked with some of the IT supporters. Some said they believe that all the choices will indoctrinate, some acknowlage it's a possibility. Some, while not believing control and synthesis are right options, will have no problem with all the choices indoctrinate. IF the IT was planned, there can be a chance all the choices will indoctrinate. Wether BioWare planned it or will adopt it.

I'm still not a fan of the IT, but in the chance BioWare actually thought it, lied about the EC and the content in it, or will future a DLC about the IT, the IT will be much more of acceptable to me if all the choices are more or less equal. I also think I'm kind of starting to understand why people love the IT so much. esspecially if all the choices will indoctrinate, seeing Shepard struggle to mentain control over his/her body. Still, I prefer the ending taken as it is, only with more explanation to it. A GOOD explanation. Here's to hoping the EC will bring one =)

And I have completely different feelings about the "IT". I think that this theory could only ruin the endings, reduce them to a very simple form, which is not deep or instructive at all. "IT" was just a vocal representation of confusion and misunderstanding. And I really hope people will forget about "IT" soon after EC release...

...Please, don't get me wrong. I respect "IT"ers' opinion, but I completely disagree with it. I just don't want ME Trilogy Ending to be simplified that much.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

And I have completely different feelings about the "IT". I think that this theory could only ruin the endings, reduce them to a very simple form, which is not deep or instructive at all.

"IT" was just a vocal representation of confusion and misunderstanding. And I really hope people will forget about "IT" soon after EC release...

...Please, don't get me wrong. I respect "IT"ers' opinion, but I completely disagree with it. I just don't want ME Trilogy Ending to be simplified that much.

The irony and hypocrisy that runs in this post is actually astounding. 

You should be ashamed. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 25 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

And I have completely different feelings about the "IT". I think that this theory could only ruin the endings, reduce them to a very simple form, which is not deep or instructive at all.

"IT" was just a vocal representation of confusion and misunderstanding. And I really hope people will forget about "IT" soon after EC release...

...Please, don't get me wrong. I respect "IT"ers' opinion, but I completely disagree with it. I just don't want ME Trilogy Ending to be simplified that much.

The irony and hypocrisy that runs in this post is actually astounding. 

You should be ashamed. 

I have no reasons to be ashamed of my opinion. Especially while it was presented in polite manner.

[Seival]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@HagarIshay:
You asked what the downside of Control was, apart from Shepard's losing all connections to their former lives. Here's what I think:

By choosing Control, you save galactic civilization, but it remains bound to the shape the Reapers have given it by placing the relays and the Citadel. Whether or not that's a bad thing is a matter of interpretation, but I think it's meant to be taken into consideration when making the decision. Ultimately, the final choice is a choice about the shape you want future galactic civilization to have: Destroy, embrace the "chaos of organic evolution" and reject the Reapers' legacy completely, thereby resetting civilization, Control, let civlization be guided by "the perfection of the machines" and embrace the Reapers' legacy, thereby preserving galactic civilization in its old form, Synthesis, transcend the old order and bring about a new age, thereby making civilization take a giant leap into an unknown future.

Which is best should be a matter of personal ideology. Unfortunately, things like Shepard's survival, a desire for revenge, the Reapers "abomination aesthetic" and the association fallacy of thinking Control is bad because TIM wanted it, all that skews the statistics greatly in favor of Destroy.

Edit:
Note that I support this thread. Judged in immediate objective benefits and downsides, Control may be the wisest decision that leaves many options open for the future. I am seriously confused about why more people don't choose Control. I don't because I'm attracted to the idea of making peace with the Reapers and understanding them, of the idea of taking that giant leap into an unknown future, but I never expected to be other than a minority in that.

It's good to see people who constructively support other endings as well as endings' concept in general. I think that after EC release we should cooperate and create the ultimate endings' support thread

Modifié par Seival, 25 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[Hudathan]

It's what makes TIM interesting. His knowledge and research into the Reapers far exceeded anyone else's, and once he knew that the combined galaxy was building the Crucible he knew exactly what he could do. Too bad he wouldn't be the one to do it but he was still a smart character to the detriment of all those who thought ME was a black/white, ultimate good vs stupid evil story.

[mass perfection]

Love the new banners!

[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

Love the new banners!

Thanks

[Seival]

Current playthrough: just before the attack on Cerberus headquarters.
Current EMS: 8515.

...Ready to embrace the eternity

Modifié par Seival, 25 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[Wowky]

Hudathan wrote...

It's what makes TIM interesting. His knowledge and research into the Reapers far exceeded anyone else's, and once he knew that the combined galaxy was building the Crucible he knew exactly what he could do. Too bad he wouldn't be the one to do it but he was still a smart character to the detriment of all those who thought ME was a black/white, ultimate good vs stupid evil story.

I've always maintained that TIM is a deplorable human being, but a brilliantly written character. I tip my hat to whoever was the writer for his character (and Martin Sheen for bringing him to life)

[Seival]

It's already 27.06.2012 in Moscow and there is still no EC available. But all EC endings are already on YouTube. So I decided to watch them...

...As I said, the endings' concept was perfect from the beginning, but it required some time to understand. I'm happy that I managed to understand almost everything even before EC. I just love ME Trilogy ending concept. And I was completely correct about the Control. Control is the only choice my favorite Shepard can make.

Looking forward to actually play EC and make a lot of video footage about it.



P.S. BioWare, you did the great job! Thank you! ME Trilogy is my favorite book... Yes, that was not a mistake. I consider ME Trilogy as a deep, and instructive sci-fi book, not just a video game. You are the best of the best.

Modifié par Seival, 26 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[Seival]

I guess I have to play some multiplayer for now. I really want to complete EC with 100% readiness

[Worufu]

I find Control ending creepy. And I mean: Holy **** F*****g Creepy That Gets Even Creepier When I Think About It.
Shepard is Shepard but somehow...he's not Shepard, as he is referring to his previous organic form by 'he' or 'that man'. Talks in a Reaperized voice and just a thought of being converted into a machine and stuck there forever immortal is...No, just no. It's creepy.
And not saying that what BioWare did is bad. It actually makes the ending bearable. And it's creepy. What is good.

[Seival]

Worufu wrote...

I find Control ending creepy. And I mean: Holy **** F*****g Creepy That Gets Even Creepier When I Think About It.
Shepard is Shepard but somehow...he's not Shepard, as he is referring to his previous organic form by 'he' or 'that man'. Talks in a Reaperized voice and just a thought of being converted into a machine and stuck there forever immortal is...No, just no. It's creepy.
And not saying that what BioWare did is bad. It actually makes the ending bearable. And it's creepy. What is good.

Never seen so many uses of word "creepy" in such a small text

Shepard became the new Catalist. And this is not creepy at all. For me Synthesis is really creepy... Everyone were turned into... "something else".

[Lord Goose]

Never thought it will come to this, but EC Control is... great. And inspiring. I really enjoyed it. Many of the words from final monologue voiced my own ideas and expressions about the ending, and really suit my character.

Have no regrets. Just... happy. And satisfied.

[Hadeedak]

Heeelllllll yes.

Though the EC control is way happier than my version. That's a lot more Shepard left, and ... well, she has more control, obviously.

Man, that's cool. I kind of love Bioware more than usual right now.

[Ageless Face]

I watched control ending just now.

Wow. Everything I'd hoped for to be in control ending- is there! Shepard protecting the galaxy, the reapers under control and rebuilding... I love it. It's really awesome.

I find it ironic that in the only ending where Shepard is being told "You will die" is also the only ending where Shepard is talking. Though I felt a bit sad when I saw it. I've yet to decide if Shepard had buried emotions there, or if it was more prefrences (Guess you were right about that, Seival).

Also, is it true there are two versions of control? Renegade and paragon? If there is, did anyone see the renegade one?

[Adamantium93]

Control is the best ending.

[jdckelly]

Control is growing on me rapidly

mostly because of this thought in my head of ReaperShep pulling the assuming control bit to Harbinger for the lols

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HagarIshay wrote...

I watched control ending just now.

Wow. Everything I'd hoped for to be in control ending- is there! Shepard protecting the galaxy, the reapers under control and rebuilding... I love it. It's really awesome.

I find it ironic that in the only ending where Shepard is being told "You will die" is also the only ending where Shepard is talking. Though I felt a bit sad when I saw it. I've yet to decide if Shepard had buried emotions there, or if it was more prefrences (Guess you were right about that, Seival).

Also, is it true there are two versions of control? Renegade and paragon? If there is, did anyone see the renegade one?

Yes.

Renegade Shepard has an interesting line in the control ending.

"I will lead an army that no one will dare oppose."

I know it said in the context of protecting the galaxy, but the words used did made me go upon hearing them.

[ReD BaKen9]

I really liked this ending!