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[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

Seival wrote...

About thoughts on synthetic emotions...

I think that synthetics have feelings, but they work differently than organic feelings:
...Organic feelings = chemistry.
...Synthetic feelings = physics.

In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently.

Can you make a banner that says "I will create a future with limitless possibilities"?

Sure

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

The cool speech...(in my version , it was femshep)....it alone made it 200% better than before.

Well... Actually the Control ending (and all other endings) remained the same after EC. Original endings were just really hard to understand... I had to spend two months thinking about them constantly. And managed to understand almost everything even before the EC. So all I've seen in EC was not really surprize for me. And I have to admit that understanding process was really interesting

...I'm sorry, no offence. I really don't think you were not capable of understanding. I think you just didn't want to, like many other people here.

Well, you can't deny the speech made control feel even more awesome The feeling of hearing Shepard talking made the ending so much better. Not only the fact Shepard explained everything to us. Just hearing the voice made a great feeling.

[mass perfection]

Seival wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

The cool speech...(in my version , it was femshep)....it alone made it 200% better than before.

Well... Actually the Control ending (and all other endings) remained the same after EC. Original endings were just really hard to understand... I had to spend two months thinking about them constantly. And managed to understand almost everything even before the EC. So all I've seen in EC was not really surprize for me. And I have to admit that understanding process was really interesting

...I'm sorry, no offence. I really don't think you were not capable of understanding. I think you just didn't want to, like many other people here.

You sounded a lot like BW.

Modifié par mass perfection, 29 juin 2012 - 09:52 .

[Seival]

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

About thoughts on synthetic emotions...

I think that synthetics have feelings, but they work differently than organic feelings:
...Organic feelings = chemistry.
...Synthetic feelings = physics.

In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently.

I've disagreed a lot with you in this thread and others, I agree with you on this.

Although Chemistry and Physics aren't really so separate.

Yes, just like synthetic and organic feelings.

[TopSun]

Seival wrote...

By the way... I made a new forum avatar and submitted it with a "DA:O character" like before. Character is already there, but the avatar still isn't available (waiting 24 hours already). Any tips on how to speed up the process?

I waited three days for my avatar. I don´t think you can speed it up.

Modifié par Big-Boss687, 29 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

About thoughts on synthetic emotions...

I think that synthetics have feelings, but they work differently than organic feelings:
...Organic feelings = chemistry.
...Synthetic feelings = physics.

In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently.

I've disagreed a lot with you in this thread and others, I agree with you on this.

Although Chemistry and Physics aren't really so separate.

Yes, just like synthetic and organic feelings.

Well Chemistry is really a specific subset of Physics. Just too big and important to be really treated as such academically.

So really it's:
Organic feelings=physics
Synthetic feelings=physics

Modifié par KingZayd, 29 juin 2012 - 09:57 .

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

The cool speech...(in my version , it was femshep)....it alone made it 200% better than before.

Well... Actually the Control ending (and all other endings) remained the same after EC. Original endings were just really hard to understand... I had to spend two months thinking about them constantly. And managed to understand almost everything even before the EC. So all I've seen in EC was not really surprize for me. And I have to admit that understanding process was really interesting

...I'm sorry, no offence. I really don't think you were not capable of understanding. I think you just didn't want to, like many other people here.

Well, you can't deny the speech made control feel even more awesome The feeling of hearing Shepard talking made the ending so much better. Not only the fact Shepard explained everything to us. Just hearing the voice made a great feeling.

Agree

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

The cool speech...(in my version , it was femshep)....it alone made it 200% better than before.

Well... Actually the Control ending (and all other endings) remained the same after EC. Original endings were just really hard to understand... I had to spend two months thinking about them constantly. And managed to understand almost everything even before the EC. So all I've seen in EC was not really surprize for me. And I have to admit that understanding process was really interesting

...I'm sorry, no offence. I really don't think you were not capable of understanding. I think you just didn't want to, like many other people here.

Well, you can't deny the speech made control feel even more awesome The feeling of hearing Shepard talking made the ending so much better. Not only the fact Shepard explained everything to us. Just hearing the voice made a great feeling.

 

The Speech made all the pieace that I had and were trying to understand fall right into place and  click. Its like have all the ingrediants to bake a cake but missing  a recipe  to mix the them properly. 

[Ageless Face]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The Speech made all the pieace that I had and were trying to understand fall right into place and  click. Its like have all the ingrediants to bake a cake but missing  a recipe  to mix the them properly. 

That is exactly what I felt about the explanation Shepard gave us as to what will happen in the future. Hearing Shepard speak, hearing him/her being immortal, and having this amazing-creepy-godly reaper voice just made the now complete cake into one of the better cakes I have tasted

Modifié par HagarIshay, 29 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[Seival]

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Seival wrote...

About thoughts on synthetic emotions...

I think that synthetics have feelings, but they work differently than organic feelings:
...Organic feelings = chemistry.
...Synthetic feelings = physics.

In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently.

I've disagreed a lot with you in this thread and others, I agree with you on this.

Although Chemistry and Physics aren't really so separate.

Yes, just like synthetic and organic feelings.

Well Chemistry is really a specific subset of Physics. Just too big and important to be really treated as such academically.

So really it's:
Organic feelings=physics
Synthetic feelings=physics

Exactly. Organic feelings are a product of much more complicated processes that occur on much deeper levels of existance. For example, if organic suffer from pain, she can do nothing with it except using painkillers, which are... yes - chemistry. Synthetic feels pain in other way - it sense damage taken and notice it, but the pain will never drive the synthetic mad. It can take any amount of pain for as long as needed and remain 100% calm... The similar for all other feelings.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

[SNascimento]

TIM is a hero of humanity!

[Ageless Face]

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


*Snip*

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

Or people are  comminicating with the reapers? Front picture is the reaper talking, others are giving new data.

Or trying to study them?

[mass perfection]

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

If that's true,then I'll kill everyone in ME1 and ME2 that I can that want to take the Reapers away from me.

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The Speech made all the pieace that I had and were trying to understand fall right into place and  click. Its like have all the ingrediants to bake a cake but missing  a recipe  to mix the them properly. 

That is exactly what I felt about the explanation Shepard gave us as to what will happen in the future. Hearing Shepard speak, hearing him/her being immortal, and having this amazing-creepy-godly reaper voice just made the now complete cake into one of the better cakes I have tasted

 


I was just watching the ending  the only thing that could have made it better would if they we Shepards thoughts and He/she stumbled the first. Saying to himself or herself to do this and it would have cool to see a  ghost of  Shepard walking through the battlefeild as the  Reapers fall back.    

Plust I watched listen to  this song Tragedy and Fate 
 
and oh the feels, voilins bring the tone of saddness  but horns and drums  give a triumph feel.  

The feels

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

Disagree... You should listen to the epilogue, not just watching it

[nitefyre410]

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

 

More like collecting Data and trying to understand what happen... considering that the once hostile Reapers of suddenly retreet and start rebuilding stuff. 

And the only Epilogue where Shepards a tyrannt or seems to be  is the  Renegade  verison

Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 juin 2012 - 10:17 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HagarIshay wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


*Snip*

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

Or people are  comminicating with the reapers? Front picture is the reaper talking, others are giving new data.

Or trying to study them?

Its obvious that they are studying them, but for what reason?

The reason I think they are doing it so they can overthrow the catalyst is because I do not expect people to leave their fate in the hands of an AI-god, no matter how friendly and protective it might be.

[nitefyre410]

Lizardviking wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


*Snip*

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

Or people are  comminicating with the reapers? Front picture is the reaper talking, others are giving new data.

Or trying to study them?

Its obvious that they are studying them, but for what reason?

The reason I think they are doing it so they can overthrow the catalyst is because I do not expect people to leave their fate in the hands of an AI-god, no matter how friendly and protective it might be.

 

The thats your opinion and  Headcanon of the situation ... run with it if  you  want to. If thats how you want it play  out. 
 

[Ageless Face]

Lizardviking wrote...

Its obvious that they are studying them, but for what reason?

The reason I think they are doing it so they can overthrow the catalyst is because I do not expect people to leave their fate in the hands of an AI-god, no matter how friendly and protective it might be.

For the purpse of knowlage, of course. Just because you will study monkeys doesn't mean you will want to kill them all (though I'm totally against study animals, don't get me wrong).

And I don't really believe poeple will not go with Shepard. At first, yes. The people that have lost much in the war will never accept the reapers. But I believe that eventually, after hundred years people will accept them. And before that, well, I don't think they will be advanced enough to overthrow them. And If they will manage to do that, then there's nothing I can do about that, I guess. And maybe not everyone will accept the reapers, but I'm sure at least some people in the galaxy will be greatfull for them fixing the mass relays and all the other things :happy:

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Its obvious that they are studying them, but for what reason?

The reason I think they are doing it so they can overthrow the catalyst is because I do not expect people to leave their fate in the hands of an AI-god, no matter how friendly and protective it might be.

For the purpse of knowlage, of course. Just because you will study monkeys doesn't mean you will want to kill them all (though I'm totally against study animals, don't get me wrong).

And I don't really believe poeple will not go with Shepard. At first, yes. The people that have lost much in the war will never accept the reapers. But I believe that eventually, after hundred years people will accept them. And before that, well, I don't think they will be advanced enough to overthrow them. And If they will manage to do that, then there's nothing I can do about that, I guess. And maybe not everyone will accept the reapers, but I'm sure at least some people in the galaxy will be greatfull for them fixing the mass relays and all the other things :happy:

 

Thats of course if Shepard does not just step back  and go off into dark space once its all said  done. 

"All right works done... now you kids behave, try not kill each other. I did not  ascend to a high state of being by vaporizing former self for yall to bicker over stuff like the Genophage.  Matter of fact ...I need to stop by Surkesh on my way out of Galaxy... me and Daltross have to have a chat.  The future yours live it,  be it, love it...  Shepard out."    

Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 juin 2012 - 10:49 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HagarIshay wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Its obvious that they are studying them, but for what reason?

The reason I think they are doing it so they can overthrow the catalyst is because I do not expect people to leave their fate in the hands of an AI-god, no matter how friendly and protective it might be.

For the purpse of knowlage, of course. Just because you will study monkeys doesn't mean you will want to kill them all (though I'm totally against study animals, don't get me wrong).

And I don't really believe poeple will not go with Shepard. At first, yes. The people that have lost much in the war will never accept the reapers. But I believe that eventually, after hundred years people will accept them. And before that, well, I don't think they will be advanced enough to overthrow them. And If they will manage to do that, then there's nothing I can do about that, I guess. And maybe not everyone will accept the reapers, but I'm sure at least some people in the galaxy will be greatfull for them fixing the mass relays and all the other things :happy:

I suppose the new generations that was not part of the war will accept the Reapers easier, but no matter what I believe that some people wil never accept anyone other than themselves being responsible for their fate (not that I think this is a bad thing).

Should worst come to worst and that the people of the galaxy along with its leaders demand that Shepard steps down as the guardian of the galaxy, I hope he will comply and take his Reapers somewhere else.

[nitefyre410]

 
OMG I do can this all day..  

*in Dark space* 

Shepard: Yes Destroyer #145357, oh thats too hard... I'll just call you Steve. 

Steve the Reaper Destoryer:  Will it seems that another war between the  Krogans and the Salarians broke out

Shepard: agghh  will they ever learn ... "Assuming Direct Control" 

*somewhere  near Surkesh* 

Harbinger: Hmmm what is that strange tingle... OH  DAMNIT. not again Shepard.  

Shepard: Shut up your the closest  and I'm being nice... I could have flown you sorry ass in a black hole..but I am enlightened now..

*Flies to Suresh and gives the sides at stern look of disapproval, crossing massive  Reaper arms. * 

Salarians and Krogan:  Sorry   

Shepard:   Good Mordin and my  former self did not die so you can start with Genophage nonsense again. Now Talk  it out peacefully and no shooting

Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 juin 2012 - 10:52 .

[Ageless Face]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Thats of course if Shepard does not just step back  and go off into dark space once its all said  done. 

"All right works done... now you kids behave, try not kill each other. I did not  ascend to a high state of being by vaporizing former self for yall to bicker over stuff like the Genophage.  Matter of fact ...I need to stop by Surkesh on my way out of Galaxy... me and Daltross have to have a chat.  The future yours live it,  be it, love it...  Shepard out."    

I also don't see a problem with that sort of ending :innocent:

Lizardviking wrote...

I suppose the new generations that was not part of the war will accept the Reapers easier, but no matter what I believe that some people wil never accept anyone other than themselves being responsible for their fate (not that I think this is a bad thing).

Should worst come to worst and that the people of the galaxy along with its leaders demand that Shepard steps down as the guardian of the galaxy, I hope he will comply and take his Reapers somewhere else. 

 

Yeah, I don't doubt people will try to rebel. They will have the right to do it, of course. After what the reapers have done, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to kill them, even if I won't do it.

And your thoughts on it is actually my plan B, if the galaxy will no longer want the reapers. I just hope it won't come to that (or at least I headcanon it won't), and the galaxy will use the reapers for their needs.

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Thats of course if Shepard does not just step back  and go off into dark space once its all said  done. 

"All right works done... now you kids behave, try not kill each other. I did not  ascend to a high state of being by vaporizing former self for yall to bicker over stuff like the Genophage.  Matter of fact ...I need to stop by Surkesh on my way out of Galaxy... me and Daltross have to have a chat.  The future yours live it,  be it, love it...  Shepard out."    

I also don't see a problem with that sort of ending :innocent:

Lizardviking wrote...

I suppose the new generations that was not part of the war will accept the Reapers easier, but no matter what I believe that some people wil never accept anyone other than themselves being responsible for their fate (not that I think this is a bad thing).

Should worst come to worst and that the people of the galaxy along with its leaders demand that Shepard steps down as the guardian of the galaxy, I hope he will comply and take his Reapers somewhere else. 

 

Yeah, I don't doubt people will try to rebel. They will have the right to do it, of course. After what the reapers have done, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to kill them, even if I won't do it.

And your thoughts on it is actually my plan B, if the galaxy will no longer want the reapers. I just hope it won't come to that (or at least I headcanon it won't), and the galaxy will use the reapers for their needs.

 

Okay jokes aside, from what I got from the Paragon version was that Shepard pretty much does the work of the rebuilding and then he  sends the  Reapers  back in Dark Space . Eventually letting people move on, you might he a wives tale  of some  frigate  or  lost frieghter being saved by one but other than. They fade back in the history, with people having the understanding that what  every  Shepard did changed them.    The rest of our cycle would have a 50,000 year count down  and put counter measures in place but after the first 50,000 year count down passes and they don't come.