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[nitefyre410]

BiO_MaN wrote...

How do you guys get pass indoctrination, by the way? Even a dead Reaper is capable of indoctrination, so it's obviously not something that they do consciously. Even a Paragon Shepard would still indoctrinate everything around them, unintentionally, until everyone has become a mindless husk.

 

That was part of the Old Catalyst Directive 

Paragon Shepard would  delete that old directive and function there is no need for it  anymore so that function was removed.    We see cases of  Indroctrination being  passive and active.  The codex says its works best when done slowly but does say it can  more tense... . That implies they have always had control of Indoctrination  singals.. which would make sesne.  

As far as Renegade Shepard... hmmm He would mostly like see it as being rather useful.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 12:31 .

[Arcadian Legend]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Come join us become enlightened to the higher state of understanding  

Or 

Come and lead the mass from a throne on high..

either way we have cookies. 

EDIT- Is your name a reference to the game 007 Nightfire? Anyway...

Almost all the endings have cookies. Synthesis's cookies have added stuff thrown into the mix to make them healthier but the taste is absolutely horrendous to the point of not bothering with them. Destroy's cookies have too big a payoff- in getting rid of the things that made the previous batch so bad, they remove the things that also made it good, resulting in a very bitter taste. Poor Reject doesn't even have any cookies to sell anymore because they were all taken away and eaten. And the next batch they do would be so different from the great tasting originals.

Control on the other hand not only has cookies, but provides you with the people to make more, in the quality you see fit.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 30 juin 2012 - 12:38 .

[CroGamer002]

^I want some Control cookies.

[Clayless]

Fem Shep narrating Control ending is just plain awesome I have to admit.

[nitefyre410]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

*snip* 

EDIT- Is your name a reference to the game 007 Nightfire? Anyway...

Almost all the endings have cookies. Synthesis's cookies have added stuff thrown into the mix to make them healthier but the taste is absolutely horrendous to the point of not bothering with them. Destroy's cookies have too big a payoff- in getting rid of the things that made the previous batch so bad, they remove the things that also made it good, resulting in a very bitter taste. Poor Reject doesn't even have any cookies to sell anymore because they were all taken away and eaten. And the next batch they do would be so different from the great tasting originals.

Control on the other hand not only has cookies, but provides you with the people to make more, in the quality you see fit.

 

yes and  no - but i did start there.    

and to the rest.. 

  LMAO 

Mesina2 wrote...

^I want some Control cookies.

   

Catalyst Shepard:   Harbinger   this human requires cookies get to work 

Harbinger: I AM NOT...

Catalyst Shepard:  ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL -  Cookies... NOW! 

Harbinger: Oh this is  BULL**** - *is now filled with the urge to bake  tons of delicious cookies*  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 12:51 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Best analogy you ever did see.

Because cookies.

[nitefyre410]

Too everyone that says Shepard would lose control..when he/she gets bored.. How could Shepard get bored? Shepard would spends ages just coming up with was too torment Harbinger for his or her amusement.,

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 12:54 .

[TheDarkShape]

Future ME3 DLC:

'"This Hurts Me" -- Find new ways to torture Harbinger! Can that volcano hurt a Reaper? What happens when you sever an appendage and toss it into a burning star?'

In terms of Shepard losing control, I think it really comes down to your personal Shepard. I know my FemShep wouldn't. A more renegade Shep probably would.

[nitefyre410]

TheDarkShape wrote...

Future ME3 DLC:

'"This Hurts Me" -- Find new ways to torture Harbinger! Can that volcano hurt a Reaper? What happens when you sever an appendage and toss it into a burning star?'

In terms of Shepard losing control, I think it really comes down to your personal Shepard. I know my FemShep wouldn't. A more renegade Shep probably would.

 

Oh no just hacking off limbs is not enough. 

Harbinger: FINALE  WE CAN TAKE A BREAK, RELAYS ARE  REBUILT.. *settles in for a 1000 year snooze in dark space." 

Shepard/Catalyst:  ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL... "hey  Harby whats up." 

Harbinger : DAMNIT I WAS JUST -  WHY DO I FEEL THE URGE TO GO LET SMALL CHILDERN US ME AND AS PLAYGROUND AND WHAT  IS  THIS "HELLO  KITTY"  AND WHY DO I HAVE THE NEED PAINT IT ON MY OUTTER HAUL.. DAMN YOU SHEPARD. 

Shepard/Cataslyst: Oh this is never going to get old.  

EDI: It seems that even  in becoming the New Catalyst somethings about you will never change Shepard . 

Shepard/Catalyst: Nope  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 01:34 .

[Jackums]

Lizardviking wrote...

Want to hear what this group's take is on this...


http://desmond.image...png&res=landing

My own opinion? People are already trying to overthrow or stop the new catalyst.

I always took this as them studying the Reaper technology to allow them to advance their own. It's always been made clear that the Reapers were technologically advanced way beyond the rest of the galaxy, and now that they have a friendly god Shepard controlling them, they're free to experiment away without fear of death or indoctrination.

I highly doubt it's them working on a way to take Shepard down.

For one, Miranda wouldn't be involved in that. Two, I doubt the galaxy, who revere Shepard as their saviour, would do that. Thirdly, the above image was shown as Shep was giving his/her speech on rebuilding and protecting.

Modifié par JackumsD, 30 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Ageless Face]

Shepard will loose control and become power hungry in control IF s/he will keep his/her past organic emotions. Since now I realise Shepard won't keep them, but instead will "feel" as the geth and EDI do, it'll be mostly preferences from past emotions and memories. That is why paragon will put protection of the past as top priority, and renegade will already want to dominate the galaxy.

So, paragon Shepard will never loose control. And Shepard will never get bored. Synthetics can stay in their place without moving for how long? A lot. So will Shepard.

[Jackums]

HagarIshay wrote...

Shepard will loose control and become power hungry in control IF s/he will keep his/her past organic emotions. Since now I realise Shepard won't keep them, but instead will "feel" as the geth and EDI do, it'll be mostly preferences from past emotions and memories. That is why paragon will put protection of the past as top priority, and renegade will already want to dominate the galaxy.

So, paragon Shepard will never loose control. And Shepard will never get bored. Synthetics can stay in their place without moving for how long? A lot. So will Shepard.

This is all completely accurate.

Synthetics are not vulnerable to the mental tortures of organics that lead to things like insanity. They base their actions on logical decuctions and calculations. And Paragon God Shepard in Control has the memories and morality of his former, living self, meaning he'll maintain the purpose of protecting and helping for as long as he exists.

Modifié par JackumsD, 30 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[nitefyre410]

JackumsD wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Shepard will loose control and become power hungry in control IF s/he will keep his/her past organic emotions. Since now I realise Shepard won't keep them, but instead will "feel" as the geth and EDI do, it'll be mostly preferences from past emotions and memories. That is why paragon will put protection of the past as top priority, and renegade will already want to dominate the galaxy.

So, paragon Shepard will never loose control. And Shepard will never get bored. Synthetics can stay in their place without moving for how long? A lot. So will Shepard.

This is all completely accurate.

Synthetics are not vulnerable to the mental tortures of organics that lead to things like insanity. They base their actions on logical decuctions and calculations. And Paragon God Shepard in Control has the memories and morality of his former, living self, meaning he'll maintain the purpose of protecting and helping for as long as he exists.

 

Exactly but can we put this in big neon lights so the rest of the Forums can stop the tired of . "Oh Shepard will go insane". 

Because that was cleared started  in the speech. 

[Jackums]

nitefyre410 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Shepard will loose control and become power hungry in control IF s/he will keep his/her past organic emotions. Since now I realise Shepard won't keep them, but instead will "feel" as the geth and EDI do, it'll be mostly preferences from past emotions and memories. That is why paragon will put protection of the past as top priority, and renegade will already want to dominate the galaxy.

So, paragon Shepard will never loose control. And Shepard will never get bored. Synthetics can stay in their place without moving for how long? A lot. So will Shepard.

This is all completely accurate.

Synthetics are not vulnerable to the mental tortures of organics that lead to things like insanity. They base their actions on logical decuctions and calculations. And Paragon God Shepard in Control has the memories and morality of his former, living self, meaning he'll maintain the purpose of protecting and helping for as long as he exists.

Exactly but can we put this in big neon lights so the rest of the Forums can stop the tired of . "Oh Shepard will go insane".

Because that was cleared started in the speech.

Too many people are blinded by their hate of the Reapers, the Catalyst, BioWare (etc) to accept it as a solution. Too many people don't want to admit that it's a valid option. That's why so many people are pro-Refuse. Not because it's the better option, but because they're overly emotionally involved in a negative way.

They're not looking at it with a clear head.

Modifié par JackumsD, 30 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[Ageless Face]

 

nitefyre410 wrote...

Exactly but can we put this in big neon lights so the rest of the Forums can stop the tired of . "Oh Shepard will go insane". 

Because that was cleared started  in the speech. 

 

Yes, we really should put explanations for control in the OP.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 30 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

 

nitefyre410 wrote...

Exactly but can we put this in big neon lights so the rest of the Forums can stop the tired of . "Oh Shepard will go insane". 

Because that was cleared started  in the speech. 

 

Yes, we really should put explanations for control in the OP.

 

more than just reasons but an explaination of the speech as well what is implied by  wording of both the paragon and renegade verisons.

@ JackumsD - I know its either that or they being willfully blind to  what is said in the Monologue.   

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 02:26 .

[Ageless Face]

JackumsD wrote...

Too many people are blinded by their hate of the Reapers, the Catalyst, BioWare (etc) to accept it as a solution. Too many people don't want to admit that it's a valid option. That's why so many people are pro-Refuse. Not because it's the better option, but because they're overly emotionally involved in a negative way.

They're not looking at it with a clear head.

I get what you mean. People are doing the same threads about control over and over again, and when people are bringing them good explanations, they either ignore it and continue to hold it against the choice, or strawmaning the posts to make control look awfull. Not everyone are doing it, but it's happening enough times.

But still, we should at least put some arguments for control, to at least point people that actually care. It woudn't hurt, right? 
 And it will help people that chose it to understand more about the choice, if there is something we'll want to know.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 30 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[nitefyre410]

  

Some more Control artwork I found browsing  Mesina 's Trumblr.   

Oh god he looks so sad in the panel up right corner... 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[Jackums]

HagarIshay wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Too many people are blinded by their hate of the Reapers, the Catalyst, BioWare (etc) to accept it as a solution. Too many people don't want to admit that it's a valid option. That's why so many people are pro-Refuse. Not because it's the better option, but because they're overly emotionally involved in a negative way.

They're not looking at it with a clear head.

I get what you mean. People are doing the same threads about control over and over again, and when people are bringing them good explanations, they either ignore it and continue to hold it against the choice, or strawmaning the posts to make control look awfull. Not everyone are doing it, but it's happening enough times.

But still, we should at least put some arguments for control, to at least point people that actually care. It woudn't hurt, right? 
 And it will help people that chose it to understand more about the choice, if there is something we'll want to know.

Agreed. And after some people calm down a bit, they may consider looking at it objectively. It can't hurt.

[Aligalipe]

Isn't it possible for Shepard to have a body made for him, like EDI? He could have an Avatar since he' s a Godlike being, and sleep with his love interest. Zeus did.

[nitefyre410]

Aligalipe wrote...

Isn't it possible for Shepard to have a body made for him, like EDI? He could have an Avatar since he' s a Godlike being, and sleep with his love interest. Zeus did.

 

it does not matter... Shepard as he/her was is dead.  The only thing that remains is the memory and the  will that Sheaprd left behind to  as the directive of the New Catalyst.  

Its like Shepard is or was reincarnated..

Compare it Avater: the last Airbender and Legend of Korra.   Korra may be able to understand and acess Aangs memories but she will never be Aang.   

The  New  Shepard/Catalyst may understand and greatly value  the love  its former self had for  say Garrus, Kaiden, Liara, Tali, or Ashley  but it is  never going to be Shepard that they fell in love with.

and thats what makes Control a true sad ending in since... because they could sit there and  go through memories but there will always be that disconnect. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[Jackums]

Aligalipe wrote...

Isn't it possible for Shepard to have a body made for him, like EDI? He could have an Avatar since he' s a Godlike being, and sleep with his love interest. Zeus did.

I've always theorised with this idea and thought it would be neat.

But nitefyre410 does have a point in that it would be somewhat redundant.

[nitefyre410]

  


Supreme  Guardian of the Galaxy and  endroses male cologne 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 03:03 .

[Ageless Face]

^ lol

[nitefyre410]

HagarIshay wrote...

^ lol

 

what makes even funner is that was not the model from  Defualt Male Shepard actually a model for Calvin Klein?

Modifié par nitefyre410, 30 juin 2012 - 03:15 .