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[Seival]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

Well, your reputation is based on previous choices actually

...I think that you have to have 100% of renegade-progress-bar to be filled in order to get the Renegade version of Control. Can't say for sure. Tried to play Renegade several times, but stopped each time. This is just not my way... Even in game.

Modifié par Seival, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:45 .

[Reofeir]

I'm assuming that if you were a paragade or renegon it would go with the side that has the higher %. This is the only flaw in Control's ending, for those who played like that. However it's probably just "Pick the highest %" one I'm assuming.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

[nitefyre410]

Zenor wrote...

I'm assuming that if you were a paragade or renegon it would go with the side that has the higher %. This is the only flaw in Control's ending, for those who played like that. However it's probably just "Pick the highest %" one I'm assuming.

 

I have heard  reports of a Paragade verison where Shepard says. "The one who gave up his/her life to become the that could protect the many"  

[MegaSovereign]

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

So if my Shepard has a mixture of paragon/renegade decisions, but has a mostly paragon reputation do i still get the paragon version?

[Kalyppso]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

So if my Shepard has a mixture of paragon/renegade decisions, but has a mostly paragon reputation do i still get the paragon version?

I don't know if you'll still check this thread, but as that sounds like the format of my Control Shepard: I say yes.

[nitefyre410]

Bump don't want this thread to fall too far behind

[CroGamer002]

Seival wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

Well, your reputation is based on previous choices actually

...I think that you have to have 100% of renegade-progress-bar to be filled in order to get the Renegade version of Control. Can't say for sure. Tried to play Renegade several times, but stopped each time. This is just not my way... Even in game.

It's impossible to be 100% Renegade nor Paragon.

[PaulSX]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

So if my Shepard has a mixture of paragon/renegade decisions, but has a mostly paragon reputation do i still get the paragon version?

I think the only the major choices (genophage, quarion/geth) will impact the final speech you can get regardless of your overall reputation.

[CroGamer002]

^Hmh, good to know.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

So if my Shepard has a mixture of paragon/renegade decisions, but has a mostly paragon reputation do i still get the paragon version?

Not 100% sure but I think so, there are parts of the speech that changes solely on reputation. So far those are (as far as I am aware).

P:
And only now do I understand the full extent of his sacrifice.
I will rebuild what the many have lost.
I will create a future with limitless possibilities.
I will protect and sustain. I will act as guardian for the many.
I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the many could survive.
And I will watch over the ones who live one.
The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many.

R:
And only now do I comprehend the full potential of his decision.
I will restore what the many have fought for.
I will lead an army that no one will dare oppose.
I will protect, defend. I will destroy those who threaten the future of the many.
I will remember the ones who fought so that the many could survive.
And I will keep a watchful eye over the ones who live on.
The man who fought to become the one who could lead the many.

And there is the part where it shows the fate of the Krogans. This part depends on both your choice and your P/R status.

P + genophage cured:
To give the many hope for a future.
To ensure that all have a voice in their future.

R + genophage cured:
To right the wrongs of the past.
To provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves.

R + cure sabotaged:
To provide the many with a powerful leader.
To put an end to the bickering of the many.
To ensure the strongest are not feared or reviled for their strength.

P + cure sabotaged:
To right the wrongs of the past.
To provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves.
THIS ONE IS UNCONFIRMED; MY ONLY SOURCE IS A POST ON THE BSN FOR THIS.

Hope this helps. If there is anything wrong, please let me know.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 02 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[Jackums]

Hanabii wrote...

Fourth and finally is the Control Ending; People often say this is a weak ending, that you take the path and prove TIM right. In a way you do. However the Geth used the reaper code, EDI was made using the reaper code. The sin of TIM wasn't his idea of control, but what he did to his own kind to chase that goal.

I agree, and I find the whole "TIM = Control, therefore Control = evil" argument to be quite silly.

If Hitler liked toast, does that mean toast is evil? No.

It's not Control that's corrupt, but TIM, his intentions, and his methods of attaining it. They're all entirely separate to Control itself, which is not inherently bad or good. It's not Control, it's the one doing the controlling.

[CroGamer002]

JackumsD wrote...

Hanabii wrote...

Fourth and finally is the Control Ending; People often say this is a weak ending, that you take the path and prove TIM right. In a way you do. However the Geth used the reaper code, EDI was made using the reaper code. The sin of TIM wasn't his idea of control, but what he did to his own kind to chase that goal.

I agree, and I find the whole "TIM = Control, therefore Control = evil" argument to be quite silly.

If Hitler liked toast, does that mean toast is evil? No.

It's not Control that's corrupt, but TIM, his intentions, and his methods of attaining it. They're all entirely separate to Control itself, which is not inherently bad or good. It's not Control, it's the one doing the controlling.

Yeah.

[Little Princess Peach]

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat?
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

By becoming a reaper all that shepard was fighting for was dissmissed

Modifié par Tali-vas-normandy, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[nitefyre410]

JackumsD wrote...

Hanabii wrote...

Fourth and finally is the Control Ending; People often say this is a weak ending, that you take the path and prove TIM right. In a way you do. However the Geth used the reaper code, EDI was made using the reaper code. The sin of TIM wasn't his idea of control, but what he did to his own kind to chase that goal.

I agree, and I find the whole "TIM = Control, therefore Control = evil" argument to be quite silly.

If Hitler liked toast, does that mean toast is evil? No.

It's not Control that's corrupt, but TIM, his intentions, and his methods of attaining it. They're all entirely separate to Control itself, which is not inherently bad or good. It's not Control, it's the one doing the controlling.

 

Exactly but everyone  so hard up on hating TIM that is a complete  knee jerk response. Then you have the "power corrupts" crowd  which misuse the quote all the time. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .

[CroGamer002]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat?
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

Power doesn't corrupt, it's individuals who are corruptible get corrupted.

[nitefyre410]

NVM...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 juillet 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ageless Face]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat? 

 

Because Shepard will keep the ideals and priorities from his/her past life. Therefore, Shepard won't reach to the same conclusion. 

 
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst 

 

Shepard won't have emotions. Can synthetics be corrupted by power?

  
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, 

Control not more of a paragon choice than destroy, synthesis, or reject. Just because your Shepard is paragon doesn't mean control is right for him/her. There is no moral choice.

   
I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

By becoming a reaper all that shepard was fighting for was dissmissed

Shepard had many purposes. One of them is to save lives. Control does just that. And Shepard's main purpose was not to destroy the reapers, but to stop them. If you want to look at it as Shepard wanting to destroy, that's fine. I just see it as the only option at the time.

So I don't really see a reason to invalid control.

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So do you get the Renegade version of Control based on your reputation? Or is it based on previous choices?

You can get different versions of the speech, depending on what you did with the genophage cure and your reputation. But I think being renegade and curing the genophage gets you the same speech as paragon and cure sabotaged.

So if my Shepard has a mixture of paragon/renegade decisions, but has a mostly paragon reputation do i still get the paragon version?

Not 100% sure but I think so, there are parts of the speech that changes solely on reputation. So far those are (as far as I am aware).

P:
And only now do I understand the full extent of his sacrifice.
I will rebuild what the many have lost.
I will create a future with limitless possibilities.
I will protect and sustain. I will act as guardian for the many.
I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the many could survive.
And I will watch over the ones who live one.
The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many.

R:
And only now do I comprehend the full potential of his decision.
I will restore what the many have fought for.
I will lead an army that no one will dare oppose.
I will protect, defend. I will destroy those who threaten the future of the many.
I will remember the ones who fought so that the many could survive.
And I will keep a watchful eye over the ones who live on.
The man who fought to become the one who could lead the many.

And there is the part where it shows the fate of the Krogans. This part depends on both your choice and your P/R status.

P + genophage cured:
To give the many hope for a future.
To ensure that all have a voice in their future.

R + genophage cured:
To right the wrongs of the past.
To provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves.

R + cure sabotaged:
To provide the many with a powerful leader.
To put an end to the bickering of the many.
To ensure the strongest are not feared or reviled for their strength.

P + cure sabotaged:
To right the wrongs of the past.
To provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves.
THIS ONE IS UNCONFIRMED; MY ONLY SOURCE IS A POST ON THE BSN FOR THIS.

Hope this helps. If there is anything wrong, please let me know.

Hmm... Interesting. Thanks for the info

[Seival]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat?
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

By becoming a reaper all that shepard was fighting for was dissmissed

Power may corrupt a human, but not an AI with unlimited processing power and Shepard's way of thinking.

Synthetic feelings and emotions work differently than organic. Synthetic can't be corrupted, it could only be hacked, if its defensive mechanisms are too weak... And it's impossible to hack the Catalist, because it's too advanced and has no input mechanisms obviously. Even the original Catalist helped Shepard willingly. Crucible just gave the original Catalist a possibility to help Shepard in three different ways, and Shepard managed to prove that she deserves that help.

...So, if it was your only concern about the Control, then you may choose it without any fear or regret.

Modifié par Seival, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:00 .

[JA Shepard]

Seival wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat?
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

By becoming a reaper all that shepard was fighting for was dissmissed

Power may corrupt a human, but not an AI with unlimited processing power and Shepard's way of thinking.

Synthetic feelings and emotions work differently than organic. Synthetic can't be corrupted, it could only be hacked, if its defensive mechanisms are too weak... And it's impossible to hack the Catalist, because it's too advanced and has no input mechanisms obviously. Even the original Catalist helped Shepard willingly. Crucible just gave the original Catalist a possibility to help Shepard in three different ways, and Shepard managed to prove that she deserves that help.

...So, if it was your only concern about the Control, then you may choose it without any fear or regret.

Also, the catalyst's only goal was to ensure the continued existence of organic life in general. From what she says, Shepard as the catalyst can see the big picture but also cares for each individual life. That's a big difference. She has the balanced thinking that the catalyst didn't. She knows that each and every life has intrinsic value all its own while also understanding life as a whole is beautiful and miraculous and worthy of protecting.

Modifié par JA Shepard, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[CrutchCricket]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Op you are really a hopeful person and I am glad you have a cheery outcom for control but for me it is creepy
whats to stop the Shepard AI to come to the same conclusion as the starbrat?
Power currupts no matter how good you are after a million years or so Shepard AI could change for the worst
I don't know why they made this a paragon ending, I see nothing good about it Shepard dies and becomes an abomination her soul perpous through out the Me games was to destroy the Reapers not become one

By becoming a reaper all that shepard was fighting for was dissmissed

Hmm, this is another thing that's starting to bug me. Why do people feel compelled to lump the ending choices into paragon/renegade? One thing I always liked about the core ending paths is that they seemed to do away with that false dichotomy. ME in general was supposed to have a morality system that went beyond "saint and d!ckhead points". But no, we're arguing light and dark as usual...

It makes sense to have variantions in the ending based on paragon/renegade since that is meant to denote a general "leaning" in Shepard's personality (and obviously Control needs this the most) but arguing over which choice is which? That's just weird.

Anyway to respond to this quote in particular, I sense much bias in you Tali (specifically for the underlined). People have already given you some pretty good responses about why Shepard isn't the holokid 2.0 or why "corrupted Shepard" is silly.  Check the "control explained" link in my sig for further elaboration on why these concepts are do not apply to Control.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:01 .

[CroGamer002]

^Yeah.

Also, Control is brilliant for both Paragons and Renegades.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Yeah.

Also, Control is brilliant for both Paragons and Renegades.

Moreover, Control is the only ending with two different variants

...Which makes me suppose that Control is intended to be "default canon" ending.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Yeah.

Also, Control is brilliant for both Paragons and Renegades.

Moreover, Control is the only ending with two different variants

...Which makes me suppose that Control is intended to be "default canon" ending.

Control "Default canon"?

No, that would be synthesis, given Bioware's major boner for the green ending.