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[Archontor]

If only the Reapers were organic, we could do wrex proud and eat them.

[Lookout1390]

I don't negotiate with terr....Reapers.

Destroy them

It's them or us, if you failed to see this, then your Shepard failed.

[estebanus]

I don't negotiate with monsters.
The reapers have destroyed countless civilizations, and I'm supposed to let them walk away without repercussions from this war?
No way!

The deaths of these civilizations will be avenged, and the reapers will be no more!

Also, I'm not going to accept the favoured options of the leader of the enemy! What am I? indoctrinated?

[SWkazashi]

I completely support destroying the reapers. Those b-tards destroyed way too much and the torture was on for way too long. It was time for payback. Proper payback.

DESTRUCTION!

[estebanus]

SWkazashi wrote...

I completely support destroying the reapers. Those b-tards destroyed way too much and the torture was on for way too long. It was time for payback. Proper payback.

DESTRUCTION!

Harbinger: THIS HURTS MY FEELINGS, HUMAN

[Uncle Jo]

In other threads I've even read that some people are willing to make peace with the Reapers, let them find their place in the galaxy if they repent, or hope they'll share their knowledge with us. True story.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 mai 2012 - 06:49 .

[estebanus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

In other threads I've even read that some people are willing to make peace with the Reapers, let them find their place in the galaxy if they repent, or hope they'll share their knowledge with us. True story.

LOL.

There is no way imaginable that the reapers can repent for what they've done. There is no way these monsters could fit into this galaxy. The only way I see them fitting in this galaxy is as scrap metal on a junkyard.

[Vox Draco]

Uncle Jo wrote...

In other threads I've even read that some people are willing to make peace with the Reapers, let them find their place in the galaxy if they repent, or hope they'll share their knowledge with us. True story.

Saren...?

It is hilarious what kind of impact five minutes of craap can have on people's opinions...But then, Marshal Petain is still viewed as a true hero in France...oh wait...

And have the Reapers repent? I love this thought! "They surely have a good heart, we only have to understand them..."

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

 As I said, I dont like Destroy ending... But I think this thread deserves to be on the first page anyway.

...Also I wanna post one more reason why do I hate Destroy:

Destroy means that Reapers are killed, but that doesn't mean they are gone. Remember ME2? "Even dead god has a dreams". In case of Destroy all worlds will be full of Reapers' dead bodies... Do you think they will just lay there? No, Civilizations will start to stady them and start to use the Reapers' tech in barbaric ways, without a full understanding. This is how everyone will become a "monkeys with grenades".

Destroy itself is a genocide. But Destroy concequences will lead to even more genocide and devastating wars.

The derelict Reaper still had a functioning eezo core (And thus still had power and was able to indoctrinate people). It also wasn't hit by the Crucible. Indoctrination is supposed to be subliminal messages implanted into your brain via infrasound and ultrasound, right? Well, knock out the ability to transmit those messages, and the Reaper can no longer indoctrinate.

Destroying a Reaper is not genocide. The Reapers destroy the species themselves when they liquefy them into goop. IF (And that's a monumental "if") anything remains of the species inside them, they are no longer themsleves and must be put down. It's like Mordin said- "No organs, replaced by tech. No glands, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech!"

Hell, Shepard him/herself says on Rannoch- "You killed them! We're only letting them rest in peace."

Realistically, sit back and think about the innards of a Reaper for a second. If it was truly a gestalt intelligence formed from billions of minds, surely it wouldn't refer to itself in the first person. Nor would it have a single personality, nor would it bend to 1 thought as if it were concrete. Legion (And the rest of the geth) is the only exception to the above, because he eventually grants the geth true individuality and identity.

Modifié par o Ventus, 28 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[Uncle Jo]

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[dreamgazer]

Uncle Jo wrote...

In other threads I've even read that some people are willing to make peace with the Reapers, let them find their place in the galaxy if they repent, or hope they'll share their knowledge with us. True story.

And they're plausible, admirable assumptions and defenses of the other choices on a conceptual level---under idyllic conditions.  

There's a problem, though: they operate under the assumption that everything takes place in a controlled, normal climate with constant variables and seamless outcomes, and no room for error in the realm of wide-sprawling benevolent implementation.  Which, ultimately, is a potentially far-sighted viewpoint that's contradicted by in-story warnings.

[Vox Draco]

dreamgazer wrote...
There's a problem, though: they operate under the assumption that everything takes place in a controlled, normal climate with constant variables and seamless outcomes, and no room for error in the realm of wide-sprawling benevolent implementation.  Which, ultimately, is a potentially far-sighted viewpoint that's contradicted by in-story warnings.

Or, to put it in more simple words: The game told us otherwise up until the very end...Should I trust the game now, or the last five minutes with the catalyst? I...do know!

[Luviagelita]

dreamgazer wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

In other threads I've even read that some people are willing to make peace with the Reapers, let them find their place in the galaxy if they repent, or hope they'll share their knowledge with us. True story.

And they're plausible, admirable assumptions and defenses of the other choices on a conceptual level---under idyllic conditions.  

There's a problem, though: they operate under the assumption that everything takes place in a controlled, normal climate with constant variables and seamless outcomes, and no room for error in the realm of wide-sprawling benevolent implementation.  Which, ultimately, is a potentially far-sighted viewpoint that's contradicted by in-story warnings.

I underlined before that Destroy is the most realistic option. It makes Shep sacrifice, making Destroy seem the worst option, but the risks and the burden that likely unbearable for a human that s/he takes are the less. 

[Uncle Jo]

dreamgazer wrote...

And they're plausible, admirable assumptions and defenses of the other choices on a conceptual level---under idyllic conditions.  

There's a problem, though: they operate under the assumption that everything takes place in a controlled, normal climate with constant variables and seamless outcomes, and no room for error in the realm of wide-sprawling benevolent implementation.  Which, ultimately, is a potentially far-sighted viewpoint that's contradicted by in-story warnings.

Okay I'm a little bit harsh and everyone has their right to think whatever they want. I find it simply naive to think that it's possible to make peace with someone who considers you as bacteria.

[Uncle Jo]

Vox Draco wrote...

Saren...?

It is hilarious what kind of impact five minutes of craap can have on people's opinions...But then, Marshal Petain is still viewed as a true hero in France...oh wait...

And have the Reapers repent? I love this thought! "They surely have a good heart, we only have to understand them..."

That is what I don't understand. Reapers are proven to be the worst genocidal mass murderers in the galaxy's history They are your archenemy whilst the three games. And in one moment everything is forgotten, forgiven. As if it never happened.

[dreamgazer]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Okay I'm a little bit harsh and everyone has their right to think whatever they want. I find it simply naive to think that it's possible to make peace with someone who considers you as bacteria.

Oh, I agree with you. Thinking that you can implement the control or synthesize options with a positive outcome in mind involves changing your perception of the Reapers, and the one inextricably linked with them that holds the joysticks. That's, uh, hard for me--nearly impossible, currently.   I'm not closed-minded to the positive attributes and advancement they could offer; I just know what Shepard's seen, and I see the very narrow space in which the other options, if even truly applicable without a hitch, could work towards something positive.  And these are far from ideal, reliable conditions.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 28 mai 2012 - 07:25 .

[InHarmsWay]

Shaani wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shaani wrote...

Would you have made the same decision if the Crucible was going to destroy the Reapers and the Quarians, instead of the Geth? Or the Turians? Or the Asari?

What's one race compared with the extinction of all sentients in the galaxy?

I'm just curious if people would sacrifice an organic race as willingly as the Geth  . . . possibly even their LI's race.

Considering that the Catalyst implies that all synthetics and people with synthetic parts ("Even you have synthetuic parts within you") will be destroyed with the destroy ending, it means that Shepard, the Quarians (they use implants) and all biotic users (many asair, krogan, turians, humans, etc) will be killed.

But Shepard and EDI can live. So the Catalyst is lying.

[Uncle Jo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Okay I'm a little bit harsh and everyone has their right to think whatever they want. I find it simply naive to think that it's possible to make peace with someone who considers you as bacteria.

Oh, I agree with you. Thinking that you can implement the control or synthesize options with a positive outcome in mind involves changing your perception of the Reapers, and the one inextricably linked with them that holds the joysticks. That's, uh, hard for me--nearly impossible, currently.   I'm not closed-minded to the positive attributes and advancement they could offer; I just know what Shepard's seen, and I see the very narrow space in which the other options, if even truly applicable without a hitch, could work towards something positive.  And these are far from ideal, reliable conditions.

That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 mai 2012 - 07:40 .

[Vox Draco]

Uncle Jo wrote...

]That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Yes, it could really be seen as a test for the players/Shepard. Will you recall everything you have seen, will you stick true to what you believed in all along, or will you go astray at the first sight of a really tough decision (sacrifice the Geth) or choose to change your mind 180 degree all of a sudden?

Will you rather believe what the TIM and Saren told you, or will you stick to andersons point of view? Liara, Kaidan, Garrus, Wrex, Mordnin, hell even Legion. If any or all where present at the end and could advise you...can you really imagine a single one of them saying "let the Reapers live, it is worth to take this risk"?

My imagination fails here

[blooregard]

Destroy doesn't need some wimpy support thread.

[frylock23]

Shaani wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shaani wrote...

Would you have made the same decision if the Crucible was going to destroy the Reapers and the Quarians, instead of the Geth? Or the Turians? Or the Asari?

What's one race compared with the extinction of all sentients in the galaxy?

I'm just curious if people would sacrifice an organic race as willingly as the Geth  . . . possibly even their LI's race.

Considering that some of us might have romanced Tali or Liara and we're sort of told that those with synthetics will likely die ... I'd say that some of us very well might have picked destroy with that possibility of having killed both LI and LI's race in the backs of our minds.

For me, it was Kaidan, but as he's biotic, for all I knew, I was killing him as well as EDI and myself when I picked destroy.

[balance5050]

blooregard wrote...




Destroy doesn't need some wimpy support thread.

Seconded.

[TeffexPope]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

I'm proud of you, two dudes with Avengers.

Manly tears were shed upon victory.

[someone else]

Celebrate Diversity - Take a Reaper to lunch.