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[frylock23]

Uncle Jo wrote...

That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Or put it this way -> which little kid are you

Are you the child who resists the advances of the trustworthy looking adult with the cool-looking van and the candy, or are you the one who remembers that your mama taught you never to trust strangers, not even those who are adult and seem legit?

That's really what I see in the other forum threads. Everyone who trusts the Catalyst does so because they are in awe if its implied level of advancement and authority beyond Shepard. The perceive it be an advanced intelligence, and therefore, they trust it no questions asked.

Modifié par frylock23, 28 mai 2012 - 08:20 .

[TeffexPope]

someone else wrote...

Celebrate Diversity - Take a Reaper to lunch.

Bring your indoctrinated organic servant to work day in reaperland. Just do some QEC teleportation magical doohickies here and there and there he is.

[Vox Draco]

blooregard wrote...
Destroy doesn't need some wimpy support thread.

But maybe a support-destroy-propaganda-video? *sigh* Don't be angry with me, but I take this chance to promote my latest vid because I am really proud of it, which hardly is the case with things I do...



Though it was fun making it, I really get depressed everytime I see Shepard getting fried and vaporized in blue and green...it just seems so...hopeless and senseless to me...

[Tealjaker94]

Can't we just teach the reapers to love!

[blooregard]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Can't we just teach the reapers to love!

I think time travel is a more solid option 

[frylock23]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Can't we just teach the reapers to love!

I know! Here it is - the secret to peace!

Just for the Reapers.

[Tealjaker94]

frylock23 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Can't we just teach the reapers to love!

I know! Here it is - the secret to peace!

Just for the Reapers.

Actually I think this is more likely to succeed than the control ending

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Vox Draco wrote...

blooregard wrote...
Destroy doesn't need some wimpy support thread.

But maybe a support-destroy-propaganda-video? *sigh* Don't be angry with me, but I take this chance to promote my latest vid because I am really proud of it, which hardly is the case with things I do...



Though it was fun making it, I really get depressed everytime I see Shepard getting fried and vaporized in blue and green...it just seems so...hopeless and senseless to me...

It seems like everytime I've gotten to that point in the game thinking... okay let's have a different outcome just in case... I listen to the words of Starbrat and think... "what have you done the entire story:

Rannoch: "You're the ones who should worry. Tell your friends we're coming for them....BOOM ... Nevermind. I'll tell them myself."

Control just isn't consistent with that mindset. Synthesis just isn't consistent with that mindset. "Hasta la vista, baby!" 

[Seival]

I think, that both ending support threads should be on the first page. Some Destroy ending fans doesn't know anything about this thread I guess

[Vox Draco]

Seival wrote...

I think, that both ending support threads should be on the first page. Some Destroy ending fans doesn't know anything about this thread I guess

If I were evil, and of course I am not, I'd say that Destroy-supporters maybe don't need a own thread with fellow-minded people to assure themselves they did the right thing...you know, siding with the Reapers, trusting the Starbinger, forgetting the last hundred hours of evidence against the Reaper's faulty logic...stuff like that...

no hard feelings though, I hope!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We're doing fine with our decision here to take out the trash. We have no guilt about it. I think that's why this thread is so short.

[Senario]

Agreed, while it looks like the renegade option. As a full paragon. These reapers NEED TO DIE PERIOD

[Lookout1390]

Glad to see other Shepards with common sense.

[nicksmi56]

frylock23 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Or put it this way -> which little kid are you

Are you the child who resists the advances of the trustworthy looking adult with the cool-looking van and the candy, or are you the one who remembers that your mama taught you never to trust strangers, not even those who are adult and seem legit?

That's really what I see in the other forum threads. Everyone who trusts the Catalyst does so because they are in awe if its implied level of advancement and authority beyond Shepard. The perceive it be an advanced intelligence, and therefore, they trust it no questions asked.

Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

[Thor187]

I found the ending choices interesting because the choices would seen to symbolize the three basic macro strategies for dealing with the reapers, period.

1Red: Fight
2Blue: Try and control
3Green: Surrender

I choose to fight!

Modifié par Thor187, 30 mai 2012 - 01:04 .

[frylock23]

nicksmi56 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Or put it this way -> which little kid are you

Are you the child who resists the advances of the trustworthy looking adult with the cool-looking van and the candy, or are you the one who remembers that your mama taught you never to trust strangers, not even those who are adult and seem legit?

That's really what I see in the other forum threads. Everyone who trusts the Catalyst does so because they are in awe if its implied level of advancement and authority beyond Shepard. The perceive it be an advanced intelligence, and therefore, they trust it no questions asked.

Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

How do you know I haven't every time after that first horrible playthrough? I don't like any of the endings because they were all horribly written and flawed, but of the three options, I will take Destroy as the one most compatible with the goals of the trilogy given the information at hand.

I can't also help it that the game gives you no options other than to pick one of the three. Given the way the Catalyst is presented and the non-arguments he makes, there really needs to be a fourth option. This is why I no longer play past the London FOB.

So, you can take your self-righteous "UGH" right back to whatever other ending support thread you crawled out of.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hackett to Shepard: "Dead reapers is how we end this." <----- this is your mission. Complete your mission.

Hackett to Shepard: "The Quarians have the largest fleet in the Galaxy. Get that fleet on our side no matter the cost." <---- this is your mission
Shepard: "Yes, sir."

[Sisterofshane]

nicksmi56 wrote...
Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

No, just because you don't trust it's assessment about what would be best for the future (ie, it's opinion!), doesn't mean that you don't trust that the catalyst is not telling you what the functions of the crucible are.

The catalyst has a problem - it provides you with a non-solution to it's problem (destroy), a solution to it's problem (Synthesis), and an "I'll meet you half-way" option (control).

I personally don't believe the Catalyst's problem is real.

[nicksmi56]

Sisterofshane wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...
Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

No, just because you don't trust it's assessment about what would be best for the future (ie, it's opinion!), doesn't mean that you don't trust that the catalyst is not telling you what the functions of the crucible are.

The catalyst has a problem - it provides you with a non-solution to it's problem (destroy), a solution to it's problem (Synthesis), and an "I'll meet you half-way" option (control).

I personally don't believe the Catalyst's problem is real.

Wouldn't Destroy be another solution since you're still solving his problem of killer syntheitcs by killeing all synthetics? Also, Control wouldn't be a half way option. It doesn't have anything to do with his probelm whatsoever. It doesn't affect organics or synthetics, only the Reapers.

[nicksmi56]

frylock23 wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

That's exactly the challenge of the ending. Take a fast, dramatic decision about choices you don't know much and given by someone you just met and thus can't really trust (I personally think it was Harbinger).
You can only rely on what you previously learned during the three games, your own beliefs and what your goal always was.
As you said, Control and Synthesis (taken at face value or not), while seductive, imply too much unknown consequences and the Reapers can still "survive" while you die.
Destroy is presented as the less appealing. It's also the only option where they "die" while you "survive" (with high EMS)

Or put it this way -> which little kid are you

Are you the child who resists the advances of the trustworthy looking adult with the cool-looking van and the candy, or are you the one who remembers that your mama taught you never to trust strangers, not even those who are adult and seem legit?

That's really what I see in the other forum threads. Everyone who trusts the Catalyst does so because they are in awe if its implied level of advancement and authority beyond Shepard. The perceive it be an advanced intelligence, and therefore, they trust it no questions asked.

Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

How do you know I haven't every time after that first horrible playthrough? I don't like any of the endings because they were all horribly written and flawed, but of the three options, I will take Destroy as the one most compatible with the goals of the trilogy given the information at hand.

I can't also help it that the game gives you no options other than to pick one of the three. Given the way the Catalyst is presented and the non-arguments he makes, there really needs to be a fourth option. This is why I no longer play past the London FOB.

So, you can take your self-righteous "UGH" right back to whatever other ending support thread you crawled out of.

Sorry, sorry. Thought you were another one of those "Catalyst is lying, except when I say he's not!" people that use it as a weak argument to support Destroy. Although, I do like your end statement. Think I'll use it next time a Destroy cultist tries to bash me for my choice

[Sisterofshane]

nicksmi56 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...
Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

No, just because you don't trust it's assessment about what would be best for the future (ie, it's opinion!), doesn't mean that you don't trust that the catalyst is not telling you what the functions of the crucible are.

The catalyst has a problem - it provides you with a non-solution to it's problem (destroy), a solution to it's problem (Synthesis), and an "I'll meet you half-way" option (control).

I personally don't believe the Catalyst's problem is real.

Wouldn't Destroy be another solution since you're still solving his problem of killer syntheitcs by killeing all synthetics? Also, Control wouldn't be a half way option. It doesn't have anything to do with his probelm whatsoever. It doesn't affect organics or synthetics, only the Reapers.

I see control  as a half-way option because the Reapers are still around, just in case.  With the Reapers alive (and un-synthesized), there is a higher than zero probability chance that the cylcle of Reaping could resume.

And the Catalyst tells you that destroy is a non-solution.  It is tasked with getting rid of "chaos" - it specifically tells you that if you pick destroy, the chaos will come back.

[Sal86]

Sisterofshane wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

nicksmi56 wrote...
Ugh tired of this. If you really didn't trust the Catalyst at all, you wouldn't pick any options and would just stand there while the Crucible was destroyed.

No, just because you don't trust it's assessment about what would be best for the future (ie, it's opinion!), doesn't mean that you don't trust that the catalyst is not telling you what the functions of the crucible are.

The catalyst has a problem - it provides you with a non-solution to it's problem (destroy), a solution to it's problem (Synthesis), and an "I'll meet you half-way" option (control).

I personally don't believe the Catalyst's problem is real.

Wouldn't Destroy be another solution since you're still solving his problem of killer syntheitcs by killeing all synthetics? Also, Control wouldn't be a half way option. It doesn't have anything to do with his probelm whatsoever. It doesn't affect organics or synthetics, only the Reapers.

I see control  as a half-way option because the Reapers are still around, just in case.  With the Reapers alive (and un-synthesized), there is a higher than zero probability chance that the cylcle of Reaping could resume.

And the Catalyst tells you that destroy is a non-solution.  It is tasked with getting rid of "chaos" - it specifically tells you that if you pick destroy, the chaos will come back.

True, if you believe the ctalyst is right about synthetics inevitably killing organics, destroy is only a temporary solution. However, that part in bold is a good enough reason for me to pick destroy anyway. Well, that and the fact that I don't think he is right.

[Vigilant111]

@nicksmi56: again and again, whether anyone trusts the Catalyst is of NO relevance, people distrusts it for different reasons, or trust it for different reasons, but trust is NOT required for the solutions presented by the Catalyst, because u r not working with it towards a common goal, well I know I am not, my goal is to end reaper threat, and Catalyst's goal is to end chaos between organics and synthetics and at the end of the day those were the only choices given to me, or I could just exit the game, I will have to come to terms with them whether I trust it or not

Meanwhile I suggest tearing the reapers up, and see if what Catalyst says comes true... if synthetics do arise in the future and killed all organics, new organics will arise somewhere and take over, and so a different cycle will begin, but at least without the reapers, and it would be another time for another story

I really think that if both organics and synthetics try hard enough, peace will last, its all about greed and dominance, their job is to keep those evil properties at bay, without having to fear the reapers ever coming back again or sitting at the back watching, the reapers are just as nasty as nuclear weapons, if they fall into the wrong hands there would definitely be chaos

Modifié par Vigilant111, 30 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[Kunari801]

Thor187 wrote...

I found the ending choices interesting because the choices would seen to symbolize the three basic macro strategies for dealing with the reapers, period.

1Red: Fight
2Blue: Try and control
3Green: Surrender

I choose to fight!

I choose to fight too.