I don't like any of the endings Bioware has provided. Now with that out of the way, I will choose destroy every time for an un-modded ending. Destroy is the only thing that makes sense, because the reapers became what they were due to a logical flaw. Giving them more time Shepard in control or not, it will happen again. The reapers were flawed and no option except destroy corrects that flaw.
"We destroy them, or they destroy us" - Destroy Ending Support Thread.
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#677
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 01:48
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Phatose wrote...
sammysoso wrote...
Not exactly, giving an AI the sensor logs is much more than telling a story. That AI would experience those events exactly how they happened, and the timelog would make it remember when it happened. It would be indistinguishable from EDI's memory.
A better analogy would be Neo leaning martial arts by directly downloading it into his brain in the Matrix.
Only the AI couldn't experience those events exactly as they happened. The AI you were 'duping' would neccessairly be involved in those events, and the new Quantam blue box can never be restored to the exact state as the old one as you cannot even know what state the old one was actually in.
This means the two can never be put into an initial sync, and thus the new AIs responses will neccessairly be different then the old ones. The old AI will move just so, but the new one would've moved slightly different, and the illusion that it IS that AI breaks apart - near instantly at AI speeds.
At which point it's just watching a movie. Maybe a fancy 3D movie, with touch and small and all that, but it's always clear that the agent in the records is not the AI you've reproduced.
Functionally, it's higher definition then telling them stories, but it's the same thing - a record of something that happened to someone who they aren't.
Doh! You're right, I'm wrong. Had to go look up the stuff in the codex about AIs.
I guess EDI is really gone, sad stuff.
#679
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 02:00
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You guys know the Reaper design only looks like cuttlefish, right, but was actually based on an insect nymph.HiddenInWar wrote...
D24O wrote...
In destroy to can have reaper sushi, so that's pretty cool.
Never thought of that...
#680
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 04:53
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I didn't choose Destroy to get rid of the Geth and EDI. I chose Destroy because I wanted to get rid of the Reapers. The Reapers had to be stopped. I'm NOT saying that EDI and the Geth were a necessary sacrifice. The galaxy depended on me and everyone who fought by my side throughout the Trilogy to destroy the Reapers. Choose the others, and you end up giving the finger to those who have lost their lives because of the Reapers for many cycles.
You think after all the Reapers did, people are just going to "forgive" them?
Heh, I can see it now: "Oh we know that you killed/harvested so many for so long, including us, but we forgive you! ^^"
Yeah......NO!
Who the hell would be that insane? It would be like forgiving Hitler at the end of WWII, or forgiving Bin Laden before he was shot down.
Destroying the Reapers has been the main goal since discovering their existence after Saren did in ME1. Choosing Synthesis or Control pretty much has you telling the suffering beings of the Galaxy to go **** off. Synthesis and Destroy, are both things the happen at the very last minute. Why the hell would someone that the ENTIRE galaxy depended on just change his/her mind at the final hour, at the damn peak, and abandon what was meant to be done to end the Reapers after millions of years of indoctrination, harvesting, and murder?
Shepard would not so easily do this and mistrust his feelings, abandoning the people he cared for at the final moment by changing their lives in ways they did not want, by screwing them over. Everyone in the galaxy wanted the Reapers gone for ever. People have lost Wives, Husbands, Sisters, Brothers, Friends, etc. Those who have died because of the Reapers would have died in vein. Shepard is stronger than that. Shepard would not be so easily influenced, even at his/her wounded status in that moment.
The motives in the eyes of the Catalyst (for many cycles) may seem for the good, but in our eyes, it is nothing but a diabolical plot for ascension. It thought that organics and machines cannot have peace without becoming Reapers or Synthesis, but it was wrong. We fought as a united Galaxy, both organics and synthetics, and we can have peace without Synthesis AND WITHOUT the Reapers.
You think after all the Reapers did, people are just going to "forgive" them?
Heh, I can see it now: "Oh we know that you killed/harvested so many for so long, including us, but we forgive you! ^^"
Yeah......NO!
Who the hell would be that insane? It would be like forgiving Hitler at the end of WWII, or forgiving Bin Laden before he was shot down.
Destroying the Reapers has been the main goal since discovering their existence after Saren did in ME1. Choosing Synthesis or Control pretty much has you telling the suffering beings of the Galaxy to go **** off. Synthesis and Destroy, are both things the happen at the very last minute. Why the hell would someone that the ENTIRE galaxy depended on just change his/her mind at the final hour, at the damn peak, and abandon what was meant to be done to end the Reapers after millions of years of indoctrination, harvesting, and murder?
Shepard would not so easily do this and mistrust his feelings, abandoning the people he cared for at the final moment by changing their lives in ways they did not want, by screwing them over. Everyone in the galaxy wanted the Reapers gone for ever. People have lost Wives, Husbands, Sisters, Brothers, Friends, etc. Those who have died because of the Reapers would have died in vein. Shepard is stronger than that. Shepard would not be so easily influenced, even at his/her wounded status in that moment.
The motives in the eyes of the Catalyst (for many cycles) may seem for the good, but in our eyes, it is nothing but a diabolical plot for ascension. It thought that organics and machines cannot have peace without becoming Reapers or Synthesis, but it was wrong. We fought as a united Galaxy, both organics and synthetics, and we can have peace without Synthesis AND WITHOUT the Reapers.
Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 20 avril 2013 - 11:29 .
#681
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 05:10
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Phatose wrote...
By that same logic, we can 'Rebuild' all organics through typical good old sex and telling the kids stories.
Course, if you happen to be one of the 'rebuilt' organics, you might worry about that.
unless all organics are destroyed. then you really can't have organics have sex to rebuild . if there are no members of a species then it will be hard
as for cloining. if the crucible is as thorough as it seems. that might be a issue to ,
machines can be rebuilt no matter what. what unless you just happen to run out of the materials . which is doubtful
Modifié par ghost9191, 28 mars 2013 - 05:14 .
#682
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 05:13
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OperatingWookie wrote...
IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...
I'm glad to see edi and the geth go
That way we can kill those abominations off and then rebuild them to be proper slaves of the organics
trial and error baby
#683
Posté 28 mars 2013 - 06:19
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we have been for 3 games trying to kill them and all of the sudden I'm supposed to choose to live in harmony. My Paragon destroyed them.
#685
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 12:55
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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Anyone around?
Dead Reapers is how we win this thing.
#686
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 01:48
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Destroy is the only right option. Because Control and Synhtesis justify all the genocides reapers comitted against all organic races that were wiped out in previous cycles. Geth and other syntetics can be rebuilt if they are sacrificed. Leaving reapers alive is like justifining what hitler and ****s did in world war 2. Hitler and ****s were wrong there fore reapers and catalyst are also wrong.
#687
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 02:09
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its the horror the reapers inflict that also told me i was doing the right thing... the sight of the abominations that people are turned into is horrific... they impale people on spikes.. they melt them down alive.. not unconcious but alive screaming from feet to head.. just so it lasts longer.. the menacing voice commented by colonists as they were abducted by harbinger... the fact that reapers show anger and perhaps enjoyment in their task makes me sick...
to instantly forget this or to just accept it in favour of not feeling guilty over the loss/sacrifice of the few is a terrible mistake... and makes the sacrifice of all those before you, every cycle that failed.. and the possibility of every cycle that lays ahead of you to be doomed to the same harvest for your lack of resolve to do what needs to be done a terrible decision... you take the hate.. you take the blame.. you take the name.. and you live with the concequences no matter what.. FOR THE PYJACKS!
to instantly forget this or to just accept it in favour of not feeling guilty over the loss/sacrifice of the few is a terrible mistake... and makes the sacrifice of all those before you, every cycle that failed.. and the possibility of every cycle that lays ahead of you to be doomed to the same harvest for your lack of resolve to do what needs to be done a terrible decision... you take the hate.. you take the blame.. you take the name.. and you live with the concequences no matter what.. FOR THE PYJACKS!
#688
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 02:43
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To take a page from Javik's book... "Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming Reaper-less, non****storm galaxy I created by getting rid of the OP cuttlefish."
#689
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 02:58
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redbaron76 wrote...
... Geth and other syntetics can be rebuilt if they are sacrificed. ....
It doesn't matter if they don't. They are one species in an entire galaxy that would have been destroyed like anyone else. Their sacrifice is minor in the big scheme of things. The same goes for EDI. She and the Geth are not worth less than organic life but their life is also not more precious than that of billions of people fighting and dying at the same time.
If the Catalyst had said it fries all biotics, I would have done the same.
#690
Posté 22 avril 2013 - 04:05
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id have destroyed them even if it killed everybody... as long as there was the chance of lifeforms one day evolving.. yeah id have wiped us all out.. just dont put any big red buttons in front of me.. i just cant help myself
