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[RavenEyry]

Genocide in self defence is better than genocide for teh lols as the reapers do it. (I take everything Sovereign and Harbinger said over Mr. Sparkle's brief dialogue)

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

From this glorious artist over at DeviantArt: 
http://suthnmeh.deviantart.com/

*snip*

That's so beautiful... 

It reminds me of Goku helping Gohan commit to his full power to his "kamehameha" against Cell.  

[o Ventus]

Ji99saw wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

Ah yes, genocide and dooming future generations for a new cycle. I've completely written off that as the most stupid choice we have in ME3

Genocide about killing the geth, or killing the Reapers? If it's the latter, then I can't take you seriously.

"Dooming future generations for a new cycle"? You stopped the cycle by destroying the Reapers. Unless you were talking about the tech singularity (The one in which we have zero evidence supporting, but plenty of evidence to the contrary). Again, I can't take you seriously.

I was talking about the Geth that your so proud to wipe out, And as far as I know the reapers are the oldest and strongest Machines in the galaxey so I don't see any reason for them to be deceptive considering they could turn every single organic in the galaxy into ash. Also we do have proof of what they say Geth Vs. Quarians just because there is tempoary peace for the sake of defeating the reapers doesn't mean that will always be the case. To some up Destroy- Commit Genocide To Prevent Genocide, does that sound familler?

People die in war. This is a cold fact.

The Reapers aren't deceptive? Whatever happened to Saren believing that he was in control, when he wasn't? Or TIM? Or... anyone who was indoctrinated?

When the geth and quarians make peace, the Reapers are mentioned precisely zero times. How does-

"You are free to return to Rannoch, Admiral Raan. With us."

Correlate to the Reapers in ANY way? We're both shown and told that the geth/quarian peace is a reconciliation of differences, not an association of convenience.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Did anyone else have Enough EMS for the Best Possible Destroy Ending? I did.

The first time I saw the Destroy Ending was on YouTube, and it was the bad one.

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

That same blast went through the ENTIRE Galaxy via the Relays' Destruction, meaning ALL other life in the Galaxy was vaporized. Hence Galactic Extiction.
That awful verion of the Destory ending does NOT happen of you have a VERY High amount of EMS.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 27 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[Sisterofshane]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

The geth, especially Legion, was willing to sacrifice himself to stop the Reapers at all cost. Even Edi Mentioned something, when she was acknowledging the fact that she has Reaper Tech, that if meant that she would sacrifice herself to stop the Reapers, so be it, or something similar, idk. So there is NO Genocide. EVERYONE in the Galaxy knew the risks in this War, and that there would be sacrifices, yet they fought on. Everyone was willing to do whatever it takes to stop the Reapers and end this nightmare forever. And everyone counts on YOU to put an end to the Reapers (Except the Bad Guys), so who are you to argue against what people believe in?

Bill Casey also brought up last night that there are two specific ME3 examples that support this viewpoint.

When Vega comes to talk to you about being recommended for N7, and he opens up about having to sacrifice his squad in order to save the data they had on the Collectors.  Shep can basically tell him that it was the right choice, and being able to save everyone wouldn't have made it any less right.

Also, if you work with Lt. Victus, he will tell you that he doesn't want to sacrifice any more of his men, and Shepard basically tells him it is the hardest sacririce we can ask for, but the men knew the risks when they signed up, and it will mean nothing if the mission is not complete.

Modifié par Sisterofshane, 27 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
Besides the Geth,EDI,and everyone who relies on technology to stay alive?Control doesn't harm anyone.Synthesis improves everyone.

You and I have a different opinion of 'improve'. And there's no guarentee any of those people died. And they said they'd rather die than submit to the reapers. I'd rather not betray absolutely everyone that wasn't a reaper pawn who all told me destroying the reapers was the only option. I believe 'no compromise' came up a lot.

[coles4971]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

[Jamie9]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Did anyone else have Enough EMS for the Best Possible Destroy Ending? I did.

The first time I saw the Destroy Ending was on YouTube, and it was the bad one.

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

That same blast went through the ENTIRE Galaxy via the Relays' Destruction, meaning ALL other life in the Galaxy was vaporized. Hence Galactic Extiction.
That awful verion of the Destory ending does NOT happen of you have a VERY High amount of EMS.

You only need 2650 EMS to get the destroy ending that doesn't hurt anyone. Of course you need 4000 to see Shepard live (which is impossible via single player).

[Grimwick]

Destroy, the lesser of three evils...

[mass perfection]

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
Besides the Geth,EDI,and everyone who relies on technology to stay alive?Control doesn't harm anyone.Synthesis improves everyone.

You and I have a different opinion of 'improve'. And there's no guarentee any of those people died. And they said they'd rather die than submit to the reapers. I'd rather not betray absolutely everyone that wasn't a reaper pawn who all told me destroying the reapers was the only option. I believe 'no compromise' came up a lot.

They only said that because they didn't think Control is possible and didn't even think of Synthesis.Stopping the Reaper threat doesn't mean destroying them.

[Luviagelita]

mass perfection wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What benefits does Destroy offer that Synthesis or Control don't?Besides dead Reapers.

Beside the total and complete (Also impossible) genetic rewrite of EVERYTHING in the galaxy?

Or the fact that neither Control nor Synthesis do ANYTHING to stop the singularity (Not that such an event has occurred, or is likely to occur. Also never mind that such an event is much more likely to be beneficial)?

Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

After Shep managed to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and we all know that the true Geth don't want to destroy ANY organics, it's hard to believe that Synthetics are such a huge theat. The Catalyst thinks like a mashine, its logis is that of a mashine, but Shep is a human, s/he has to trust her own experience and motives.
So no, we mustn't merge.

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

Synthesis does nothing to stop synthetics destroying us. The new hybrids could easily build more synthetics. Or do all new synthetics spontaneously generate organic parts now?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

coles4971 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

Sorry. (?) That post came out the wrong way. Didn't mean to make it for this result.

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
They only said that because they didn't think Control is possible and didn't even think of Synthesis.Stopping the Reaper threat doesn't mean destroying them.

Yes it does, they are still a threat if they aren't destroyed. There is no proof that they are 'controlled' apart from them leaving Earth. And synthesis doesn't even have a chance of them being controlled, so it's even worse.

[Jamie9]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Sorry. (?) That post came out the wrong way. Didn't mean to make it for this result.

You really don't need to apologise. Your post didn't contain anything offensive. Some people apparently think it's a crime to grow attached to fictional characters. I, for one, think it's a good thing. Makes you very empathetic. Able to feel emotions easier.

In fact, I've reported said user. That post was completely inflammatory.

[mass perfection]

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

Synthesis does nothing to stop synthetics destroying us. The new hybrids could easily build more synthetics. Or do all new synthetics spontaneously generate organic parts now?

But the hybrids will advance at the same rate.That's why they're so concerned about Synthetics because they advance faster than Organics.

[Sohlito]

Ji99saw wrote...

To some up Destroy- Commit Genocide To Prevent Genocide, does that sound familler?

mass perfection wrote...

Besides the Geth,EDI,and everyone who relies on technology to stay alive?Control doesn't harm anyone.Synthesis improves everyone.

The Geth/EDI =/= The rest of the Galaxy.

And what I mean by that is to state that EDI and the Geth do not, under any circumstance, sufficiently warrant hesitation when the rest of the galaxy is at stake. That's potentially trillions upon trillions of lives in comparison to millions or less of the Geth, and one EDI.

As Garrus put it, "ruthless calculus"; but necessary.

Modifié par Sohlito, 27 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[Shepard Wins]

coles4971 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

Oh GTFO. People care about the characters and have heavy emotional investment in ME.

[o Ventus]

mass perfection wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

Synthesis does nothing to stop synthetics destroying us. The new hybrids could easily build more synthetics. Or do all new synthetics spontaneously generate organic parts now?

But the hybrids will advance at the same rate.That's why they're so concerned about Synthetics because they advance faster than Organics.

Hybrids advancing defeats the purpose of the synthesis (Also the word "hybrid", but whatever).

It's also hard to advance past the "final step" in evolution.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

o Ventus wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

Inb4 control people storming in with pitchforks and torches.

And Synthesis people.

We're not you.

That statement makes NO sense in correlation to mine, but ok then.

It means, non-Destroy camps are not intolerant and don't go crazy railing on others' decisions. We're at peace with our own path.

You'll notice there has been minimal criticism from Green/Blue supporters to this thread. Compare that to the Synthesis and Control threads where half of every page is "NO NO NO DESTROY IS THE ONLY OPTION!"

[mass perfection]

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
They only said that because they didn't think Control is possible and didn't even think of Synthesis.Stopping the Reaper threat doesn't mean destroying them.

Yes it does, they are still a threat if they aren't destroyed. There is no proof that they are 'controlled' apart from them leaving Earth. And synthesis doesn't even have a chance of them being controlled, so it's even worse.

But they leave in Synthesis.Besides,they were under control by the Catalyst but Synthesis kills the Catalyst leaving the Reapers free and maybe they retreat into Darkspace after they help rebuild.

[dreamgazer]

Jamie9 wrote...

You only need 2650 EMS to get the destroy ending that doesn't hurt anyone. Of course you need 4000 to see Shepard live (which is impossible via single player).

One key thing to remember: Earning over 4000 EMS allows you to see Shepard's survival breath, yes, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen when you have a lower EMS---you just didn't have the "privilege" to see it.

Having a lower EMS =/= you see Shepard's lifeless body instead of a breathing body.

[Jamie9]

Sohlito wrote...

The Geth/EDI =/= The rest of the Galaxy.

And what I mean by that is to state that EDI and the Geth do not, under any circumstance, sufficiently warrant hesitation when the rest of the galaxy is at stake. That's potentially trillions upon trillions of lives in comparison to millions or less of the Geth, and one EDI.

As Garrus put it, "ruthless calculus"; but necessary.

I just have to say:

Advanced Organics =/= The entire Galaxy

Technically, the Catalyst's logic isn't circular. It wants organics to live in some form for all of time. And it's biggest worry is the technological singularity. I don't believe in it myself but his logic DOES in fact make sense.

[CyberEwan]

While I personally prefer Control over Destroy, I'm not going to attack you like some Pro-Destroyers have been attacking me. Destroy is what my Renegade Shepard did anyway, cos she enjoys blowing stuff up!

[Sisterofshane]

Luviagelita wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What benefits does Destroy offer that Synthesis or Control don't?Besides dead Reapers.

Beside the total and complete (Also impossible) genetic rewrite of EVERYTHING in the galaxy?

Or the fact that neither Control nor Synthesis do ANYTHING to stop the singularity (Not that such an event has occurred, or is likely to occur. Also never mind that such an event is much more likely to be beneficial)?

Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

After Shep managed to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth, and we all know that the true Geth don't want to destroy ANY organics, it's hard to believe that Synthetics are such a huge theat. The Catalyst thinks like a mashine, its logis is that of a mashine, but Shep is a human, s/he has to trust her own experience and motives.
So no, we mustn't merge.

Exactly this.  We are presented options through the eyes/opinion of a being that, up until this very moment, thought that the best possible choice was to turn organic civilizations into slurry to build sentient, organic-synthetic hybrids.  Of course it is going to believe Synthesis is the best choice, and it is going to try to persuade us to make this choice.

But, coming from an organics perspective, what is the best choice for the galaxy?  To gamble organic existence and the end of the Reaper cycle by assuming that you will indefinitely control the Reapers after death?  To force evolution upon every living thing in the galaxy against it's will, allowing the Reapers to get off with out any sort of consequence to their actions?

Or, would the best decision be to allow the galaxy to self-determinate, to ensure them true freedom from the Reaper threat?  Even if it is at the cost of allies, who we would hope would have willingly laid down their lives to support this cause anyway?