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[Jamie9]

dreamgazer wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

You only need 2650 EMS to get the destroy ending that doesn't hurt anyone. Of course you need 4000 to see Shepard live (which is impossible via single player).

One key thing to remember: Earning over 4000 EMS allows you to see Shepard's survival breath, yes, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen when you have a lower EMS---you just didn't have the "privilege" to see it.

Having a lower EMS =/= you see Shepard's lifeless body instead of a breathing body.

Very true. I compare this to the ending of Halo 3. If you finish it on the hardest mode you get an extra cutscene. But that cutscene still takes place in canon, you just don't see it on the lower difficulties.

[Ji99saw]

o Ventus wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

Ah yes, genocide and dooming future generations for a new cycle. I've completely written off that as the most stupid choice we have in ME3

Genocide about killing the geth, or killing the Reapers? If it's the latter, then I can't take you seriously.

"Dooming future generations for a new cycle"? You stopped the cycle by destroying the Reapers. Unless you were talking about the tech singularity (The one in which we have zero evidence supporting, but plenty of evidence to the contrary). Again, I can't take you seriously.

I was talking about the Geth that your so proud to wipe out, And as far as I know the reapers are the oldest and strongest Machines in the galaxey so I don't see any reason for them to be deceptive considering they could turn every single organic in the galaxy into ash. Also we do have proof of what they say Geth Vs. Quarians just because there is tempoary peace for the sake of defeating the reapers doesn't mean that will always be the case. To some up Destroy- Commit Genocide To Prevent Genocide, does that sound familler?

People die in war. This is a cold fact.

The Reapers aren't deceptive? Whatever happened to Saren believing that he was in control, when he wasn't? Or TIM? Or... anyone who was indoctrinated?

When the geth and quarians make peace, the Reapers are mentioned precisely zero times. How does-

"You are free to return to Rannoch, Admiral Raan. With us."

Correlate to the Reapers in ANY way? We're both shown and told that the geth/quarian peace is a reconciliation of differences, not an association of convenience.

Yes people die in war, but Genocide is something different and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you and hope you never hold a postion in any office that pertains to preserving life. On Rannoch Legion gave his life to stop the reapers and make his people Complete so you just Kill them all off , and the Geth that you quoted told Shep that he had Geth support against the reapers so I don't know what you mean By It wasn't brought up because it clearly was.

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
But the hybrids will advance at the same rate.That's why they're so concerned about Synthetics because they advance faster than Organics.

To the first sentence: As ventus said, hybrids are supposedly the final evolution, so wont be doing much advancing. To the second sentence: How could you possibly know that?

[mass perfection]

o Ventus wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

Synthesis does nothing to stop synthetics destroying us. The new hybrids could easily build more synthetics. Or do all new synthetics spontaneously generate organic parts now?

But the hybrids will advance at the same rate.That's why they're so concerned about Synthetics because they advance faster than Organics.

Hybrids advancing defeats the purpose of the synthesis (Also the word "hybrid", but whatever).

It's also hard to advance past the "final step" in evolution.

That's the thing.Hybrids and Synthetics are equal and the Synthetics will only attack Organics because they are so much more intelligent then them that they'll see us as we see animals but not the Hybrids.

[o Ventus]

mass perfection wrote...

But they leave in Synthesis.

For no reason. As every other person here as said, the synthesis does NOTHING to prevent the creation of new synthetics. The cycle has not stopped or otherwise affected in anyway.

Besides,they were under control by the Catalyst but Synthesis kills the Catalyst

Are you an idiot? If the catalyst, a synthetic, was destroyed by the synthesis, then so were EDI, the geth, and everything else that wasn't organic. That not only defeats the purpose of the synthesis, but also undermines EDI walking out of the Normandy. Congratulations, you've made yourself look dumber than you've done up to this point.

leaving the Reapers free and maybe they retreat into Darkspace after they help rebuild.

See point #1. Realistically, the Reapers left to regroup. The cycle has not stopped.

[Mr.House]

Destroy is the only option that stays true to Shepard's goal imo.

[coles4971]

Shepard Wins wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

Oh GTFO. People care about the characters and have heavy emotional investment in ME.

i get the impression you don't realise the ... extent said user is attached to miranda 

[mass perfection]

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
But the hybrids will advance at the same rate.That's why they're so concerned about Synthetics because they advance faster than Organics.

To the first sentence: As ventus said, hybrids are supposedly the final evolution, so wont be doing much advancing. To the second sentence: How could you possibly know that?

Because we'll make Synthetics too intelligent.

[dreamgazer]

There's a mighty big difference in between: "You will wipe out all synthetic life if you do so" and "You can wipe out all synthetic life, if you want".

[zovoes]

mass perfection wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

What benefits does Destroy offer that Synthesis or Control don't?Besides dead Reapers.

Beside the total and complete (Also impossible) genetic rewrite of EVERYTHING in the galaxy?

Or the fact that neither Control nor Synthesis do ANYTHING to stop the singularity (Not that such an event has occurred, or is likely to occur. Also never mind that such an event is much more likely to be beneficial)?

Control doesn't do anything but to prevent the Synthetics to destroy us,we must merge with them.Synthesis makes that happen.

(falling for troll bait but what the hell) at what point in game is there (with out the reapers putting them up to it) a synthetic that is hostile with out any provocation?

[Seival]

Grimwick wrote...

Destroy, the lesser of three evils...

Lesser?

Do you know why I choose Control? Becouse Destroy kills not just Reapers, Geth and EDI, it also kills everyone on the Citadel, and everyone with vital synthetic implants - i.e. all Quarians and a lot of people from other races... Well, and I don't want to destroy even Geth and EDI actually.

[Grimwick]

coles4971 wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

coles4971 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

Oh GTFO. People care about the characters and have heavy emotional investment in ME.

i get the impression you don't realise the ... extent said user is attached to miranda 

And who are you to judge?

[SirCroft]

coles4971 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I watched as a Wave of Fire moved around the Earth, killing everyone (Incinerating), it was worse knowing that my Love Interest (Miranda Lawson) was on Earth.

oh grow the f.... up 

If you didn't grow attached to any Mass Effect character throughout the trilogy, you're playing it wrong.

Modifié par SirCroft, 27 mai 2012 - 08:09 .

[RavenEyry]

mass perfection wrote...
But they leave in Synthesis.Besides,they were under control by the Catalyst but Synthesis kills the Catalyst leaving the Reapers free and maybe they retreat into Darkspace after they help rebuild.

Again, how could you possibly know that? If making stuff up helps you enjoy the ending more, well good for you. However, your headcanon does not make a convincing argument to other people.

[Sisterofshane]

Jamie9 wrote...

Sohlito wrote...

The Geth/EDI =/= The rest of the Galaxy.

And what I mean by that is to state that EDI and the Geth do not, under any circumstance, sufficiently warrant hesitation when the rest of the galaxy is at stake. That's potentially trillions upon trillions of lives in comparison to millions or less of the Geth, and one EDI.

As Garrus put it, "ruthless calculus"; but necessary.

I just have to say:

Advanced Organics =/= The entire Galaxy

Technically, the Catalyst's logic isn't circular. It wants organics to live in some form for all of time. And it's biggest worry is the technological singularity. I don't believe in it myself but his logic DOES in fact make sense.

If you believe that at some point every species will eventually evolve into our level of sentience (which is completely possible), then technically the Catalyst DOES wipe out all organic life -- we just happen to get a temporary reprieve of about fifty thousand years @ a time because it chooses to allow us to develop first.

It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, whether it likes it or not.

[Jamie9]

coles4971 wrote...
i get the impression you don't realise the ... extent said user is attached to miranda 

So what if said user was IN LOVE with Miranda? It's certainly possible. Society recognises the difference between fiction and non-fiction but does the brain?

Who is to say that the same feelings in reality cannot be felt when simulating reality? In fact, there's tons of evidence to the contrary.

Most wouldn't admit it to people but the human brain can most certainly feel it. Depression, joy, sadness, love can all be felt through fiction.

[Mr.House]

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Destroy, the lesser of three evils...

Lesser?

Do you know why I choose Control? Becouse Destroy kills not just Reapers, Geth and EDI, it also kills everyone on the Citadel, and everyone with vital synthetic implants - i.e. all Quarians and a lot of people from other races... Well, and I don't want to destroy even Geth and EDI actually.

Nothing backs that up, we only see the Reapers die. We don't see EDI, Geth or anything else die.

[RavenEyry]

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Destroy, the lesser of three evils...

Lesser?

Do you know why I choose Control? Becouse Destroy kills not just Reapers, Geth and EDI, it also kills everyone on the Citadel, and everyone with vital synthetic implants - i.e. all Quarians and a lot of people from other races... Well, and I don't want to destroy even Geth and EDI actually.

We don't know any of that stuff for sure. The only info we have is what Mr. Sparkle said and we can see Shep survive despite their many vital implants.

[Sohlito]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

Inb4 control people storming in with pitchforks and torches.

And Synthesis people.

We're not you.

That statement makes NO sense in correlation to mine, but ok then.

It means, non-Destroy camps are not intolerant and don't go crazy railing on others' decisions. We're at peace with our own path.

You'll notice there has been minimal criticism from Green/Blue supporters to this thread. Compare that to the Synthesis and Control threads where half of every page is "NO NO NO DESTROY IS THE ONLY OPTION!"

I think you've perhaps been selective in your reading. There have been many individuals who have chosen Synthesis/Control who have been equally vitirolic and rude. Witchhunts aren't mutually exclusive to those who have chosen Destroy, and that is something even you can concede to.

[o Ventus]

Ji99saw wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

Ah yes, genocide and dooming future generations for a new cycle. I've completely written off that as the most stupid choice we have in ME3

Genocide about killing the geth, or killing the Reapers? If it's the latter, then I can't take you seriously.

"Dooming future generations for a new cycle"? You stopped the cycle by destroying the Reapers. Unless you were talking about the tech singularity (The one in which we have zero evidence supporting, but plenty of evidence to the contrary). Again, I can't take you seriously.

I was talking about the Geth that your so proud to wipe out, And as far as I know the reapers are the oldest and strongest Machines in the galaxey so I don't see any reason for them to be deceptive considering they could turn every single organic in the galaxy into ash. Also we do have proof of what they say Geth Vs. Quarians just because there is tempoary peace for the sake of defeating the reapers doesn't mean that will always be the case. To some up Destroy- Commit Genocide To Prevent Genocide, does that sound familler?

People die in war. This is a cold fact.

The Reapers aren't deceptive? Whatever happened to Saren believing that he was in control, when he wasn't? Or TIM? Or... anyone who was indoctrinated?

When the geth and quarians make peace, the Reapers are mentioned precisely zero times. How does-

"You are free to return to Rannoch, Admiral Raan. With us."

Correlate to the Reapers in ANY way? We're both shown and told that the geth/quarian peace is a reconciliation of differences, not an association of convenience.

Yes people die in war, but Genocide is something different and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you and hope you never hold a postion in any office that pertains to preserving life. On Rannoch Legion gave his life to stop the reapers and make his people Complete so you just Kill them all off , and the Geth that you quoted told Shep that he had Geth support against the reapers so I don't know what you mean By It wasn't brought up because it clearly was.

No dick he would tell them that there are available geth troops fit to fight. That doesn't make their alliance based solely on the Reapers. Did you not listen to Tali when she told you that the geth are downloading themselves into the quarian's suits, thus helping their immune systems? Or how the geth are helping quarians on Rannoch construct new homes? It wasn't like the Prime was going to go "So we're cool now, great. Oh, I need these colossi and Primes here on Rannoch. Nothing important, I just need them." You also neglect to note that the Prime was talking to Shepard when he said that, not any quarian, just like how Admiral Raan turned to Shepard when she offered assistance, and not to the Prime.

Like someone else said, the geth (Not that very many even still exist) and EDI do not hold precedence over the other trillions of people still alive. As Garrus put it, it's "ruthless calculus". I don't like it, but I deem it necessary. Hell, Shepard even said something similar when talking to James about the N7 program. "There wasn't a single N7 who hasn't sacrificed -- either himself or his men -- for the greater good".

Modifié par o Ventus, 27 mai 2012 - 07:57 .

[mass perfection]

RavenEyry wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
But they leave in Synthesis.Besides,they were under control by the Catalyst but Synthesis kills the Catalyst leaving the Reapers free and maybe they retreat into Darkspace after they help rebuild.

Again, how could you possibly know that? If making stuff up helps you enjoy the ending more, well good for you. However, your headcanon does not make a convincing argument to other people.

Because the Citadel is destroyed.

[zovoes]

dreamgazer wrote...

There's a mighty big difference in between: "You will wipe out all synthetic life if you do so" and "You can wipe out all synthetic life, if you want".

so now we are on to what the meaning of the word "is" is. it kills the geth and EDI the devs have said this and gamble backs it up saying they don't think of them "as life".

[Grimwick]

Seival wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Destroy, the lesser of three evils...

Lesser?

Do you know why I choose Control? Becouse Destroy kills not just Reapers, Geth and EDI, it also kills everyone on the Citadel, and everyone with vital synthetic implants - i.e. all Quarians and a lot of people from other races... Well, and I don't want to destroy even Geth and EDI actually.

Not substantiated that it kills people with implants.

Killing the geth and EDI is a necessary sacrifice I'm afraid, they knew what they were signing up for EDI would be the one of the first to sacrifice herself if it ended the threat.

Out of the three destroy is the only option that we know actually ends the reaper threat. the other two endings are completely ambiguous.

Also would like to point out I meant 'evil' figuratively, I'm not talking just about the morality of the choice but the thematic, logical and narrative points as well.

[Jamie9]

Sisterofshane wrote...

If you believe that at some point every species will eventually evolve into our level of sentience (which is completely possible), then technically the Catalyst DOES wipe out all organic life -- we just happen to get a temporary reprieve of about fifty thousand years @ a time because it chooses to allow us to develop first.

It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy, whether it likes it or not.

But organics life always exists in some form, it is never wiped out, which is the Catalyst's objective. It doesn't care how it lives, just that it does.

The hypocrisy in his words comes from the Mass Relays and the Citadel IMO. It forces us to develop the same way each cycle, and CREATE SYNTHETICS. Seriously, just have us develop a different way.

[111987]

Kelwing wrote...

Only choice I ever make. Until the starbrat gives me a valid and BELIEVABLE reason to except what he says as truth. I'll kill him and his toys ever damn time.

I hate this reasoning. If you don't believe the Catalyst, than you shouldn't believe that blowing up the tubes activates Destroy.