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[Trakarg]

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

[NaughtyRectum]

I mostly play as a Justicar, and with Reave-stack I have very little trouble with Phantoms. I like that they're so overpowered and hard to kill, because it's enemies like that(and situations their appearance causes) that make the game so fun.

[Drummernate]

Trakarg wrote...

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

Have you ever tried to kill one with a Saber on a soldier without concussive shot?....

[jusnii]

what you dont want to do is cloak and creep up behind them for a headshot then forget to take your thumb off the space bar ..... the pose they adopt when still is the time i'm talking about

[bondiboy]

Trakarg wrote...

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

We were leaving stasis out of the equation here ( is the obvious power to use)  and talking about how to kill them with other characters besides the Asaris. Weapons that stagger  definately. Mellee if you are very good at it . I understand that when they do the glowing palms in the air routine they are immune to all powers..but I could be wrong.

[RPC_RPC]

Agree with OP reapers are the easiest, at least for someone equiped with a Saber. Geth are the hardest (those annoying Hunter/Pyro wolf packs that sneak up on you).

I obviously HS is not the best character for taking down Phantoms but this what I do:

1-on-1 on Gold you can kill Phantoms with Concussive shot and some saber rounds. You need a roughly +80% cooldown. Saber shot, CS (phantom flip), saber shot,CS (Phantom hlip) at somepoint the CS will KO the Phantom and you take the satisfying final saber round the head. Its fairly easy, just don't let it get too close. Also, you need to do some flips yourself (combat roll). If there are 2 or more... run for cover and try to take them out one-by-one from a distance.

Aside from the almighty GPS which is the ultimate Phantom buster (but otherwise a boring gun), Hurricane is also pretty good at taking down Phantoms. I hate Phantoms so much that I have a HS character specifically specced just for mowing down Phantoms with a Hurricane.

[Rifneno]

Trakarg wrote...

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

Right, everybody else is just imaging it.  But hey, thanks for learning us good.  And good luck on the whole "meleeing something that loves to sync kill as much as a banshee" thing.  I'm sure that's a sound strategy or something.

[COLZ7R]

They are the biggest pain of all the bosses, with my si i have started carrying a talon as back up for when those nimble minxes get close!

[Elcor Pride]

I hate Phantoms so much, if not for them Cerberus wouldn't be the hardest faction (for me) on Gold due to the sheer amount of them spawning; what annoys me most is the fact they move so damn fast and seem to have too much health; shot them twice with a Claymore (shot + Adrenaline Rush Shot) and they still didn't die, which I still miss most of the pellets as they move so bloody much.

Another thing is their tendency to insta-kill; I know they have to melee first, but when you're being revived and they've already melee'd the person reviving you they can instantly kill you as soon as you get up 

Modifié par Elcor Pride, 28 mai 2012 - 06:12 .

[Seneva]

Bah Phantoms are fine. As an SI I actively hunt them and fail maybe once out of 10 times. I don't use PM or shoot when she uses her hand and when she cloaks, I laugh cause 1 PM fired from cloak hurts like hell. most of the times I just kill her with ED and PM with cloak bonus. Easy.

Modifié par Seneva, 28 mai 2012 - 06:20 .

[Rifneno]

Elcor Pride wrote...

I hate Phantoms so much, if not for them Cerberus wouldn't be the hardest faction (for me) on Gold due to the sheer amount of them spawning; what annoys me most is the fact they move so damn fast and seem to have too much health; shot them twice with a Claymore (shot + Adrenaline Rush Shot) and they still didn't die, which I still miss most of the pellets as they move so bloody much.

Another thing is their tendency to insta-kill; I know they have to melee first, but when you're being revived and they've already melee'd the person reviving you they can instantly kill you as soon as you get up 

Other day I was playing a geth on a match and someone got killed by a phantom.  Hunter mode of course let me see what was going on, and it was quite shocking.  The phantom had meleed him (but not instamurder so he was revivable) then went around the corner and hid in cloak mode.  She was corpse camping him and if I didn't see her with geth wall hax I'm sure I would've gotten Aeris'd for trying to revive him.

You know I just had a thought.. considering so many people are claiming to have no problem killing them and others only barely scratch them with an ICBM, I wonder if there's a platform specific glitch with her damage mitigation.

[asaiasai]

Trakarg wrote...

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

I play a Krogan Batlemaster and have a Krogan Sentinal i am bringing up and i use a M-99 for EVERY character. The M-99 is awesome because it hits hard enough to stagger most opponents, and it even staggers phantoms. There are conventional means to deal with them, these ways may not be as safe or easy they methods however are still effective. Give me some room and a clear shot and i will ring thier bell but if it gets in close that is a different story even for my Krogans when alone. They require respect and that is a good thing. They require you to be on top of your game, that is a good thing. They are one of the few units that can couinter the player's "i win" button, that is a good thing. They require team work, team effort, that is a good thing. To nerf them because they are difficult, is a bad thing. Adapt improvise, evolution baby catch it, or get run over by it.  

[Uhh.. Jonah]

If I see a phantom I stick to cover, because staying out of cover will get me killed in like 3 palm bursts. I reave them (AJ) or energy drain (SE) until their barriers are down. Then I use pull (AJ) or incinerate (SE) so that they very, very stupidly stand still to block the attack. That's when I head shot them. I think that's by far her greatest weakness, so try spamming biotic or tech powers to leave her exposed and vulnerable.

Modifié par Uhh.. Jonah, 28 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Hexi-decimal]

I personally enjoy claymoring them in the head. Very fun.

[NathanW18]

Rifneno wrote...

The flip makes less sense than SP's ending at face value. Which shouldn't even be possible. You guys know that mission where you're unlucky enough to find Jacob? I'm at the part on the roof where you've got a turret and you get to murderize some troops Cerberus drops in, okay. Everything is going down like Kelly Chambers after a bottle of Thessia Red. Except phantoms. A phantom is able to survive an entire thermal clip FROM A ****ING TURRET because she's apparently invincible during the flip she spams.

No, I'm sorry, that's completely retarded. I don't care "lulz use stay-sis cuz every1 everywear haz that powar" or any of the other nonsense about phantoms being fine. They're not. Do other Cerberus units, especially the atlas, need to be re-evaluated when they fix phantoms? Definitely. But that doesn't mean phantoms aren't broken. The fact that virtually everyone is scared of phantoms and nobody pays any attention to atlases should be the first clue that something is dreadfully wrong with Cerberus.

Couldn't agree more with this post.

The Phantoms are the most OP enemy in the game.

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Their reaction time is shaite- if you get out of the way they proceed to stab air for a minute. They just flip randomly.

The issue with cloaking units is that all powers seem to go through them. Bit riddick!

[Clearly Balkan]

I don't see a problem with Phantoms. They're usually dead with one W98/BW shot after ED on SI, or S on QI. Incendiary ammo + Targeting Mark 3. On GI with Javelin & PM combo Phantoms are easier to kill then Centurions.

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Clearly Balkan wrote...
Phantoms are easier to kill then Centurions.

WOah woah woah let's not get crazy here

[landylan]

Serge_THE_GREAT wrote...

What bothers me about Phantoms the most is that they sometimes seem to be invulnerable despite not seeing their shield show up. That, or their shield is just hard to notice from a distance.

its their flips. theyre virtually invulnerable before they jump through the air bc thats when the animation starts

[landylan]

Seneva wrote...

Bah Phantoms are fine. As an SI I actively hunt them and fail maybe once out of 10 times. I don't use PM or shoot when she uses her hand and when she cloaks, I laugh cause 1 PM fired from cloak hurts like hell. most of the times I just kill her with ED and PM with cloak bonus. Easy.

i dont know if you play gold or not but proxy is a power that almost always forces them into their blue hand power on GOLD for me. trying to energy drain them to death is a complete waste of time. there will be 4 to 6 phantoms at a time. i dont know the exact number

[landylan]

asaiasai wrote...

Trakarg wrote...

Phantoms. Are. Not. Hard.

Vanguards.

Stasis.

Graal.

GPS.

Overload, reave, and energy drain. (they can't block these).

Explosive weapons like the falcon.

Heavy melees (especially krogan and geth ones) stagger them and allow for easy headshots.

I play a Krogan Batlemaster and have a Krogan Sentinal i am bringing up and i use a M-99 for EVERY character. The M-99 is awesome because it hits hard enough to stagger most opponents, and it even staggers phantoms. There are conventional means to deal with them, these ways may not be as safe or easy they methods however are still effective. Give me some room and a clear shot and i will ring thier bell but if it gets in close that is a different story even for my Krogans when alone. They require respect and that is a good thing. They require you to be on top of your game, that is a good thing. They are one of the few units that can couinter the player's "i win" button, that is a good thing. They require team work, team effort, that is a good thing. To nerf them because they are difficult, is a bad thing. Adapt improvise, evolution baby catch it, or get run over by it.  

??? the m99 saber??? that does not stagger phantoms on gold

[taomang]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

landylan wrote...

reapers are definitely the easiest faction. hunters and phantoms make the other factions way more difficult. phantoms are a threat at any range. im ok with that. they turn invisible. im ok with that. they go into god mode by changing the color of their hands.....i guess im ok with that. the only thing that i hate is that they constantly flip and my saber is doing jack crap to them bc they have so much damage resistance. i headshotted them and i think i did less than half a bar bc he was able to see the bullet coming and flip through the air in .0000001 seconds....ridiculous

Ballistic Blades for the stagger, and Batarian Heavy Melee for the finish. Head explodes. Satisfaction.  I once even had the satisifaction of watching one's head explode AND see its corpse rag doll across the map. <3

Oh yes wait i totally forgot my drell/human/krogan.salarian/geth/quarian has Ballistic Blades

[landylan]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

I don't see a problem with Phantoms. They're usually dead with one W98/BW shot after ED on SI, or S on QI. Incendiary ammo + Targeting Mark 3. On GI with Javelin & PM combo Phantoms are easier to kill then Centurions.

im pretty sure you cant even drain their shield with one energy drain whil cloaked on gold

[Dynamik78]

Only problem I have with phantoms is when they are just around that corner...game mechanics don't make you hit her even if you aimed at the face sometimes
They are one of the most fun enemy to deal with

[landylan]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

landylan wrote...

Rib0flavin wrote...

Phantoms are the one unit that adds a bit of fear into cerberus . Everything else is a walking joke. Guardians ,Troopers, the Atlas, and Engineers are all free kills. Phantoms are the only challenging thing in that whole bunch.

You see a phantom in a group, take cover and call it out on your mic.Have your team focus fire on her. Problem solved.

Each enemy faction needs that unit you need your team to focus on.

I know this has been brought up a ton of times but If the phantom is too hard then switch your main class to Asari adept . They are the anti-phantom, ok they are the anti-every unit, lol!

turrets are also incredibly deadly. stasis is not the answer. im not changing my class for that. my team doesnt help me when im with randoms and you cant focus fire if you have multiple phantoms around you on gold. changing their damage resistance would still keep them a deadly unit too

I disagree, your class set up is just not suited to kill Phantoms, simple as that.  If you have poop team mates who won't help, then you are out of luck man.  I don't think the answer is to nerf phantoms so they are easily killable by everyone.  Either get some people who can help kill the phantoms, like someone with stasis or deal.

Lots of BE's work well for me.

biotic explosions?????????????????? is that a joke??? have you tried hitting them with a biotic power thats not reave on gold