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[Foxhound2121]

Random Jerkface wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

However, if Ashley truly believe that the Reapers were coming, thus making treason irrelevant, then I ask what does anyone use this excuse for either Kaidan or Ashley?

The VS clearly suspects that

a) Shepard is not her/himself

and/or

Shepard is a traitor/is being tricked or controlled.

Both of these are perfectly logical thoughts when some long-dead friend appears from beyond the grave and asks you to get in bed with terrorists. With that in mind, it would avail them nothing to join Cerberus, seeing as all they know about the organisation is that it likes to perform horrific experiments, and that its members must have failed their primary school lab safety class rather spectacularly.

That being said, you can blame bad writing for your former squad mates' inactivity, because none of them, not a single one of them, has a good excuse for spending two years with their thumbs up their arses.

Garrus - SpecTRe training/C-Sec? TOO HARD, ABANDON I'M BATMAN.
Ash - Whatcha thinkin' 'bout? Alliance stuffs?
Kaidan - Oh, I dunno, nuclear explosion stuffs, I guess.
Liara - SHADOWBROKERSHADOWBROKERSHADOWBROKER
Wrex - I must go--
Tali - My people need me.

Wrex says he's trying to ready the krogan for the reaper threat, so he receives a partial pass (but that is hardly enough), but the rest of them do absolutely ****all in the two years Shepard is iced. Granted, there is very little that they as either individuals (especially say, Tali) or a team could do (especially when the Council went mum on the reaper threat), but there is no indication that any of them tried anything at all.

Pretty darn treasonous considering that Admiral Hacket is asking help from a traitor and a cerberus operative during Arrival. I guess that makes Hacket a traitor for working with the enemy.

Regarding the whole "Ash thinks shepard has a cerberus control chip in his brain, and that is way she distrusts hims." "He's working with cerberus, and that is treason." Liara, Garrus, Hacket, Anderson, or anyone else could have the same type of suspicion. None of them have good reasons to work with cerberus, but they do.

[Mykel54]

Who needs an geek alien female when you have a real woman like Ash? Asari are overrated anyway, human females are a lot more attractive. Asari will just use you for a century until you die and then move on, a woman like Ash is a partner for life.

[TheCinC]

I went for Ashley on a first playthrough, then switched to Liara when I noticed that through the LOTSB dlc I could at least be with her some more. Never looked back.

Was a bit iffy about the 'threeway' discussion you apparantly can have in ME1, but looked it up on youtube and you could think that the suggestion was just a joke or that Liara at least took it as such. She did say to choose.

I've reluctantly allowed Ashley on board during my second playthrough, saying 'permission denied' on my first was on of the best moments of ME3. If she screws this up, provided I ever finish this playthrough, once the EC dlc is out, then it's out of the airlock with her and Kaiden gets another chance once I finish my latest ME1 playthrough.

[fear_me]

depends whether you want someone who is more loyal to you throughout the game (liara) or whoever is the hottest (ashley). I usually go with ash.

[FoggyFishburne]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Let's see...

One stays with you through absolutely everything, loving you unconditionally no matter what happens. The other becomes infuriated at you for merely being interested in other women and will turn her back on you not once, not twice, but three times over the course of two games because she's a massive tool who doesn't understand the concept of loving devotion to your partner.

One is a beautiful, intelligent, thoughtful, kind-hearted girl who goes through a lot of terrible things and needs someone to rely on. The other is a braying racist jackass who quotes poetry because she thinks it makes her intelligent when all it does is make her pretentious.

One is dedicated to nothing except her duty to her friends and loved ones, the quest to save the galaxy from the Reapers, and works tirelessly until she nearly collapses to manage intelligence throughout the Reaper War. The other one babysits some politicians and nearly fails at that, threatens to kill you because, again, she's a braying jackass who doesn't understand the concept of loving devotion, and who then proceeds to get ****faced and pass out on the floor of your ship between missions.

Yeah, I knew there was a reason I left Ashley on Virmire with a bomb and never looked back except to mock her failiure.

There we go, you won the thread.

If this doesn't answer your question go back to kindergarten!

[FeralEwok]

Without getting into players needing LI who are 100 percent loyal or unwavering, who is hotter, etc.

I'd say you probably would enjoy the Liara romance more. With the LOTSB she will have a romance that branches over all three games. She's one of the more developed romances because the writters actually took some time with her's. And while some may not like her character arc, she at least grows. Ash has a brief few minutes in ME2 (Horrizon is just handled poorly due to the lack of conversation time and the fact that Shepard can't seem to spell out exactly what happened...Drama for the sake of drama) and when she comes back in ME3 she is just not the same kind of Ash. She, without explanation, loses a lot of her personality. Her lack of damsel in distress attitude was part of what made her appealing (for me)

And yes I romanced Liara...so everything I just said could probably be completely biased.

[SilvinC]

I think Ashley was the best (or at least the most believable) character in Mass Effect 1, but it went downhill after that point.

Liara's ME1 romance wasn't great, but her complete romance arc is probably the best of the whole series (LotSB, ME3).

[0x30A88]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Yo, I know you did not just ask some dummies on the Internet which video game character you should knock virtual boots with.

*WACK*

OFFICIAL SEAL OF DISAPPROVAL.

If you think this is strange, then you're in for one nasty surprice after another here on BSN.

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...
Can you see why I'm worried about you?" That, to me, denotes, connotes, and generally notes concern, so on my life, I don't understand the Mars butthurt. It leads me to suspect that some players can't take having their avatars questioned in any fashion.

That is actually so true to the point of being hilarious. 

To me it's the asinine way they do the "DO I TRUST YOU OR DON'T I?" act.

If you think Shep's still with Cerberus...why are you heading ANYWHERE with him/her? 

Or maybe just maybe you should have some subtly and keep it to yourself. Look for treasonous actions instead of acting like Shep (if he actually was a double agent) to be stupid enough to tell you his plans.

[MegaBadExample]

Mykel54 wrote...

Who needs an geek alien female when you have a real woman like Ash? Asari are overrated anyway, human females are a lot more attractive. Asari will just use you for a century until you die and then move on, a woman like Ash is a partner for life.

This. I'd pick Ash. Well, she's the only one I can see with my canon Shep for many reasons.

I prefer Liara's deep friendship a lot more, than her romance.

[HellbirdIV]

jreezy wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...
Can you see why I'm worried about you?" That, to me, denotes, connotes, and generally notes concern, so on my life, I don't understand the Mars butthurt. It leads me to suspect that some players can't take having their avatars questioned in any fashion.

That is actually so true to the point of being hilarious. 

People who project insecurities onto others usually do it in order to hide something themselves. Just saying.

Regardless it's a silly sentiment. I wasn't angry at Wrex for pointing a gun at Shepard (or "at me" if you prefer) and telling her that he had to save his people if Saren had a cure for the genophage, because the situation had been built up in conversations and I was genuinely invested in his character and the suffering of the krogan people - still had to talk him down or shoot him, but I didn't hate him for opposing Shepard and questioning my actions as a player.

Nor did I hate it when Wrex told Shepard she'd made a huge mistake letting the Rachni Queen go, barking about how she was being an idiot and how the krogan would have to save our asses again soon because of it.

So how come I dislike Ashley but not Wrex, if it's just a matter of not being able to handle being "questioned"?

[spirosz]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Let's see...

One stays with you through absolutely everything, loving you unconditionally no matter what happens. The other becomes infuriated at you for merely being interested in other women and will turn her back on you not once, not twice, but three times over the course of two games because she's a massive tool who doesn't understand the concept of loving devotion to your partner.

One is a beautiful, intelligent, thoughtful, kind-hearted girl who goes through a lot of terrible things and needs someone to rely on. The other is a braying racist jackass who quotes poetry because she thinks it makes her intelligent when all it does is make her pretentious.

One is dedicated to nothing except her duty to her friends and loved ones, the quest to save the galaxy from the Reapers, and works tirelessly until she nearly collapses to manage intelligence throughout the Reaper War. The other one babysits some politicians and nearly fails at that, threatens to kill you because, again, she's a braying jackass who doesn't understand the concept of loving devotion, and who then proceeds to get ****faced and pass out on the floor of your ship between missions.

Yeah, I knew there was a reason I left Ashley on Virmire with a bomb and never looked back except to mock her failiure.

Because they both don't deal with things in the exact same way, aka being individuals that have been through different experiences which shaped how they view and act in life, makes one the better choice?  

You know, I could go arguing about Liara in negatives ways as well, but I like both characters and I think I might offend your blue loveeeeeeeeeee.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 28 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[MegaBadExample]

HellbirdIV wrote...

JyrikGauldy wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

*snip*

best post in history

<3

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

One stays with you through absolutely everything

I don't know; didn't see her with me in the Collector Base, did I?

That's true, but unlike Ashley she actually had a reason for that - she was hunting down the Shadow Broker who, I remind you, she crossed in order to save Shepard from ending up a Collector hors d'oeuvre and can't afford to let go up for even a minute 'lest she loses all her progress again and the Broker ends up getting more people killed in his perpetual power-plays.

Ashley's reason for not helping you fight the Collectors? "Grr Cerberus grr! Even though you saved my life on Horizon I'm still mad at you because of Cerberus! Grr!"

Well said, Ash. Well said indeed.

Ashley got emotional on Horizon and latched out. She was left in the dark for two years. Liara on the other hand, always knew Shepard was coming back, or that there was a chance of that happening.

I'm pretty sure Ashley had her own duties with the Alliance too, that she couldn't just abandon (similar to Tali on Freedom’s progress, and Liara). In fact, Ashley mentions this in her apology e-mail to you after, and if you need more proof she was there on a mission and needed to report back.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 28 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[HellbirdIV]

spiros9110 wrote...

Because they both don't deal with things in the exact same way, aka being individuals that have been through different experiences which shaped how they view and act in life, makes one the better choice?

Yes, that's sort of how it works. Some people deal with crap better than others, Liara is clearly a lot better at dealing with her issues than Ashley is given the severity of the issues at play ("My mother was just murdered! By you! Oh f*** everything I know is burning down around me!" versus "My sisters don't talk to me anymore 'cause they think I'm a b***h! I totally feel bummed that my grandpa's dishonorable conduct makes me less respected by the other military meatheads!")

Personal preference is always a factor, but I can't really see any argument in Ashley's favour. At best, people make excuses on her behalf.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 28 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[MegaBadExample]

HellbirdIV wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Because they both don't deal with things in the exact same way, aka being individuals that have been through different experiences which shaped how they view and act in life, makes one the better choice?

Yes, that's sort of how it works. Some people deal with crap better than others, Liara is clearly a lot better at dealing with her issues than Ashley is given the severity of the issues at play ("My mother was just murdered! By you! Oh f*** everything I know is burning down around me!" versus "My sisters don't talk to me anymore 'cause they think I'm a b***h! I totally feel bummed that my grandpa's dishonorable conduct makes me less respected by the other military meatheads!")

Personal preference is always a factor, but I can't really see any argument in Ashley's favour. At best, people make excuses on her behalf.

More like: “My sister won’t talk to me because my brother-in-law died.”

[spirosz]

HellbirdIV wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Because they both don't deal with things in the exact same way, aka being individuals that have been through different experiences which shaped how they view and act in life, makes one the better choice?

Yes, that's sort of how it works. Some people deal with crap better than others, Liara is clearly a lot better at dealing with her issues than Ashley is given the severity of the issues at play ("My mother was just murdered! By you! Oh f*** everything I know is burning down around me!" versus "My sisters don't talk to me anymore 'cause they think I'm a b***h! I totally feel bummed that my grandpa's dishonorable conduct makes me less respected by the other military meatheads!")

Personal preference is always a factor, but I can't really see any argument in Ashley's favour. At best, people make excuses on her behalf.

Clearly subjective with Liara dealing with her issues "better".  Again, I like both - but you're coming off with too much bias, which clearly means - Liara is the best choice regardless.  

[CptData]

Pick Ashley.

Liara will be your friend always ... while Ash won't do much in ME3 if you didn't romance her. ^^

[MegaBadExample]

Yeah... If you’re not romancing Ashley - send her with Hackett. She won’t talk much, just gets completely hammered, that’s it. Besides, she wants to go with Hackett if you’re not romancing her.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

None of them have good reasons to work with cerberus, but they do.

...Which makes them look incredibly dumb. Liara, at least for her part, knew Shepard might be coming back (though what possessed her to believe A TERRORIST, BLACK OPS ORGANISATION WITH A HISTORY OF HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION (WHOSE ACTIVITIES AND FACILITIES SHEPARD REGULARLY DISRUPTED AND DESTROYED) WOULD KEEP ITS WORD BY BRINGING BACK THE DEAD--SOMETHING NEVER BEFORE ACCOMPLISHED--AND NOT UTTERLY F*CK UP SHEPARD/CLONE/MUTATE HER/HIM IS ANOTHER THING O WORD SON SO GLAD THAT WORKED OUT THO), and Hackett has access to the Alliance's most top secret channels, and has been monitoring Shepard for the duration of ME2 (after which Arrival canonically takes place). Up until Horizon, through contrivance and plot stupidity, Shepard has done nothing to instill any reason anyone should take her/his crazy word at face value.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 28 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[Raven Kesrar]

I think Liara is such a well written character, she is amazing, I have only romanced her, since the first time I haven’t been able to look at anyone else.

She is that great, she actually cares deeply for Shepard no matter what

But still choosee who you like the most

[What a Succulent Ass]

Raven Kesrar wrote...

I think Liara is such a well written character

Why?

I'm not trying to be contrary, I'm legitimately curious.

[xAmilli0n]

I like Liara, especially post LotSB, but as a LI, she never seemed to be the right fit for any of my Sheps (male or female). ME1 Ash was perfect for my M!Shep. However, her personality in ME3 (post Cerberus attack) leaves a lot to be desired or filled in by your headcanon (and don't get me started about her new look...).

If you like having a lot of interaction (even if not specifically romance related) Liara is your way to go, but if you don't mind filling in the blanks, Ashley would also be good. Personal preference, and how much effort your want to put into your headcanon.