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[LethesDeep]

Macro Dude wrote...

Thanks for the warning, about SWOTR what about, Knights of the Old Republic and it's sequal? Good choice? Bad choice?

Little late to the party, I know, but I'd thought I'd add my 2 cents. KotOR 1 it has good characters, a great story and a decent twist with a lot of subtle foreshadowing right up to it. Didn't like it's take on "black and white" morality though. KotOR 2 is a decent game into itself, but I would recommend getting the TSLRCM mod otherwise the ending makes no sense (LucasArts rushed the company for a Christmas release, then denied them from releasing a patch to add in the missing ending content). While KotOR 1 is nice and upbeat with stuff like "the power of friendship" and "the power of love", KotOR 2 is the opposite and it even integrates RPG elements into the story (example: while not called EXP, EXP serves as a bit of a plot twist and that twist even makes sense).

As for SWTOR it's like they took WoW and sparsely added elements from Dragon Age in (mostly just companion equipment and conversations). Defintely not everyone's thing especially when it hits endgame, but for me endgame content never has been a big deal; I just roll an alt at that point and enjoy a new story while logging into my guild char to raid every now and then. The class stories and the setting are what sell it for me; it's like 8 extremely long single-player RPGs rolled into one - but maybe that's because no one helps anyone else unless they're guildmates on my server.

BTW, isn't it summer now? When are we getting news about the ending DLC? Or is BioWare saying "well, technically, it's not summer here yet, so we're telling you nothing"?

Modifié par LethesDeep, 01 juin 2012 - 07:07 .

[PhoenixDove1]

I'm sure it's been said but thank you for starting this thread and including all the links that were gathered about why the ending was bad (sorry I sat for like 5 minutes trying to find the right word, there really isn't one, bad will have to do). Still here, holding the line and the wallet.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

LethesDeep wrote...



BTW, isn't it summer now? When are we getting news about the ending DLC? Or is BioWare saying "well, technically, it's not summer here yet, so we're telling you nothing"?

Summer in the Northen H is about 21st of June, till late August, they don't have to tell us anything in theory, they could even release the EC without telling anyone about it, they could even not discuss anything that happens in the EC ever... Though thats unlikely.



My strangest thought about all this is that statisticaly speaking some of the 2 million or so people who played the game will have died before the EC comes out... They will die without ever seeing the "improved" ending. Though if its terrible maybe they got off easy...

[sagevallant]

I get the feeling we're not going to hear much about the EC until it lands. And that they stole Casey Hudson's phone and locked him in a room to keep him from making any more misleading promises.

Honestly, even if the EC somehow manages to fix everything, I don't think I'm going to forget what happened. Way too much hype leading to such disappoint. Is this how people who didn't know about the incomplete ending on KotOR 2 felt?

[Ihatebadgames]

sagevallant wrote...

I get the feeling we're not going to hear much about the EC until it lands. And that they stole Casey Hudson's phone and locked him in a room to keep him from making any more misleading promises.

Honestly, even if the EC somehow manages to fix everything, I don't think I'm going to forget what happened. Way too much hype leading to such disappoint. Is this how people who didn't know about the incomplete ending on KotOR 2 felt?

KotOR 2 I played after it came out(bargin bin late)and had not heard anything about it.Played it for a solid month and a half,knowing I was missing something.Bought the Guide read it and I can't stand anything related to G. Lucas.That's still less than I feel about the betrayal of ME3.So ME3 is a worse feeling to me,as it killed the series.
edit spelling.

Modifié par Ihatebadgames, 02 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[Simocrates]

chmarr wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

4500 some odd pages and the ending still bites.....

4000 of those pages were about a bunch of blokes discussing what dress to wear to the prom.

uuuh no, at MOST throughout 4500 pages 60 maybe 80 POSTS NOT PAGES was random banter.

if you even went through the entire thread you would have seen it.

but yet again if it was not for us you wouldent be getting all the free dlc

You must not of played Mass Effect 2. Remember all the free DLC in that game? Yeah don't think for a second retake did anything more than delay singleplayer DLC.

[Tyion133]

Zanza86 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

4500 some odd pages and the ending still bites.....

4000 of those pages were about a bunch of blokes discussing what dress to wear to the prom.

uuuh no, at MOST throughout 4500 pages 60 maybe 80 POSTS NOT PAGES was random banter.

if you even went through the entire thread you would have seen it.

but yet again if it was not for us you wouldent be getting all the free dlc

You must not of played Mass Effect 2. Remember all the free DLC in that game? Yeah don't think for a second retake did anything more than delay singleplayer DLC.

The dlc wasnt free... It was included if you bought a new copy of the game. People who bought their games used didnt get the dlc... And sure, retake might have delayed dlc for the SP, but there's a reason for why retake started in the first place... The ending sucked! Plus all the promises they didnt keep, example: MP not needed for SP...
And I say ending, cause a colour doesnt count as a seperate ending...
Also, could you take it elsewhere? We're not really that big on underbridging on this thread...

[xcomcmdr]

You must not of played Mass Effect 2. Remember all the free DLC in that game? Yeah don't think for a second retake did anything more than delay singleplayer DLC.

If the ending wasn't absolutely horrible and totally disconnected from the lore and core conflict and core themes of Mass Effect, Retake would not be needed !

[Phaedra Sanguine]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The point still stands. All the DLC so far has been free. I've never understood Hold The Wallet.

I took the free DLC and then gave BioWare 50 bucks, just to cover at least 5 people who are sitting at their computer monitors crying and screaming at the BSN about a topic which has been beaten to death, dragged through the mud, beaten again, shot point-blank repeatedly, kicked, sliced, mawled, punched and then thrown off of a cliff, only to be salvaged, after a pickup truck drove over it, to be beaten once more.

[KaiserinKai]

They closed the big thread...

I had lost steam due to the lack of news and was just lurking, then just checking back every couple of weeks to see if anything happened...

I checked today, the thread was closed...

Congrats Bioware, you just got this former customer of yours fired up again! No mercy!

I'm not trying to rush the EC, but we need answers. They have kept us in the dark for way too long.

[Ihatebadgames]

There's no such thing as "Free DLC"It's paid for one way or another.I don't think they were planing on SP DLC.Push everyone into playing MP,dump SP = win for rEApers.SP needs plot. MP just cheap flash.Maps and weapons.No plot or thinking needed.

Modifié par Ihatebadgames, 02 juin 2012 - 02:31 .

[sagevallant]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

There's no such thing as "Free DLC"It's paid for one way or another.I don't think they were planing on SP DLC.Push everyone into playing MP,dump SP = win for rEApers.SP needs plot. MP just cheap flash.Maps and weapons.No plot or thinking needed.

Whatever they say, it's hard to believe that the MP patches were intended to be free from the start. And free is just relative anyway, since the goal is to get us to purchase packs from the store until we get the unlocks we want anyway. The randomness of the system is designed to heap things we don't want on us until we finally get something we do want.

I can only imagine that the number of people playing MP plummets every week, I know I have no desire to play another match.

[Phoenix NL]

KaiserinKai wrote...

They closed the big thread...

I had lost steam due to the lack of news and was just lurking, then just checking back every couple of weeks to see if anything happened...

I checked today, the thread was closed...

Congrats Bioware, you just got this former customer of yours fired up again! No mercy!

I'm not trying to rush the EC, but we need answers. They have kept us in the dark for way too long.

Most of the old thread crew are here these days.

[LethesDeep]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...



BTW, isn't it summer now? When are we getting news about the ending DLC? Or is BioWare saying "well, technically, it's not summer here yet, so we're telling you nothing"?

Summer in the Northen H is about 21st of June, till late August, they don't have to tell us anything in theory, they could even release the EC without telling anyone about it, they could even not discuss anything that happens in the EC ever... Though thats unlikely.

Ah, OK. You're right though, in theory they don't have to tell us anything about it, but I'm pretty sure they'd want to at least tell us the release date for it if for no more reason than saying "Hey look guys, we gave into your requests! Ya'll can shut up now!"

[chmarr]

Zanza86 wrote...

chmarr wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

4500 some odd pages and the ending still bites.....

4000 of those pages were about a bunch of blokes discussing what dress to wear to the prom.

uuuh no, at MOST throughout 4500 pages 60 maybe 80 POSTS NOT PAGES was random banter.

if you even went through the entire thread you would have seen it.

but yet again if it was not for us you wouldent be getting all the free dlc

You must not of played Mass Effect 2. Remember all the free DLC in that game? Yeah don't think for a second retake did anything more than delay singleplayer DLC.

heres the problem with the DLC ............... there was ZERO SP DLC announced.

look at ALL the DLC thats been given out EVERY PEICE OF IT IS MULTIPLAYER, hell thats all they have been announcing is MP DLC.

if there was SP DLC then it would have been released a LONG TIME AGO since bioware said that they will NOT change the ending so that means ALL SP DLC should have been released and that would have been it.

but heres the other MAJOR thing that the retake movment has done, that craptastic MP has been getting FREE DLC non-stop, on the previous thread it was exposed that ALL the MP DLC was to have a price of 400-800 mspoints PER PACK.

now take a bite of humble pie and swallow

[sagevallant]

All development on SP DLC was sidetracked by the fury of the internetz over the ending of the game. It only makes sense not to develop a product for extending a game that many people didn't like to begin with.

Sadly the fate of DA2's DLC / ExPac. Which I would gleefully have purchased if it delivered adequate plots, characters, and was completely free of recycled maps. (cough cough WITCH HUNT DLC cough).

[Goodwood]

sagevallant wrote...

All development on SP DLC was sidetracked by the fury of the internetz over the ending of the game. It only makes sense not to develop a product for extending a game that many people didn't like to begin with.

Sadly the fate of DA2's DLC / ExPac. Which I would gleefully have purchased if it delivered adequate plots, characters, and was completely free of recycled maps. (cough cough WITCH HUNT DLC cough).

I happened to like most aspects of DA2, recycled rooms and other "rush" issues aside, and the ending seemed fitting (it was definitely an The Empire Strikes Back-type non-conclusion, and it could conceivably work if DA3 delivers, which to me at this point is doubtful). The Legacy and Mark of the Assassin DLCs were well worth the price of admission, and happened to be quite beautifully-done.

We know that BioWare can do good work even while indoctrinated by the rEApers. Lair of the Shadow Broker was proof; even Arrival, which wasn't quite as good as Overlord or Stolen Memory, still had new elements and set the stage for a good transition to the conclusion. In this case, that potential seems to have been wasted.

[Goodwood]

Oh, and by the way, there was only a small bit of "free" DLC for Mass Effect 2. "Zaeed: The Price of Revenge" was free if you bought a first-printing or whatever, and there were a couple of small "mission" DLCs (the Normandy Crash Site and Project Firewalker). Other than those, everything else had a price tag, even the "Genesis" intro for those who hadn't played ME1 (a DLC that I'd have been trying to learn how to uninstall if ME3's ending hadn't messed the bed).

[Joccaren]

Goodwood wrote...
I happened to like most aspects of DA2, recycled rooms and other "rush" issues aside, and the ending seemed fitting (it was definitely an The Empire Strikes Back-type non-conclusion, and it could conceivably work if DA3 delivers, which to me at this point is doubtful). The Legacy and Mark of the Assassin DLCs were well worth the price of admission, and happened to be quite beautifully-done.

Heh, I was largely the opposite. I disliked a lot of DA2, and only really liked what they did with Dialogue in it, however this isn't the thread for that. I agree about the ending to it though. It was a set up, and if that set up is followed satisfactorily or W/E, then it won't be so bad.
If that ending turns out to be a set up for some kid we are told is the Maker playing chess with your heroes, then no. Interesting idea, wrong place, wrong execution, wrong series.
I am, however, not believing it will be pulled off. There is a chance it could be, but I doubt it. From the sounds of things, DA3 will be about some massive war in at least some aspects. That's all well and good, but ME3 was about some massive war, and look how that turned out. The advertisments, the hype - everything pointed towards a glorious return to Earth where we would battle the Reapers to decide the fate of humanity. What we got was a lackluster return to Earth during which we ran towards the Reaper's magical beam and enact a Deus Ex Machina to win the war.
Hopefully the DA team will learn from this team's mistake.
Personally, my favourite DLC produced by Bioware... probably have to be cliched and say LOTSB. None of the other DLCs stood out to me like it did. For EC to work for me, however, it will need to be even better than that.

We know that BioWare can do good work even while indoctrinated by the rEApers. Lair of the Shadow Broker was proof; even Arrival, which wasn't quite as good as Overlord or Stolen Memory, still had new elements and set the stage for a good transition to the conclusion. In this case, that potential seems to have been wasted.

Gah, speak of the Devil. My question isn't so much can Bioware write well, but will they?
Will they  write something to make the fans happy, or something to keep their pride intact?
Honestly, they could do either. For some, they can do both. I'm just hoping Bioware pulls it off. It would be sad to have to write off another great company.

[Craven1138]

Heh, why I'm not surprised biggest thread gathering opponents of that disastrous ending got closed. Can't you just not love moderators on this forum

[Dendio1]

The MP patches take time and resources and could easily be put up for 400 bioware points. Enjoy the free stuff. Free= good.

[sagevallant]

Dendio1 wrote...

The MP patches take time and resources and could easily be put up for 400 bioware points. Enjoy the free stuff. Free= good.

Hardly anyone would've bought them, and after the price-gouging for From Ashes and the rage over the ending it only would've caused more internet rage. Bioware is kinda desperately trying to keep people playing ME3, especially the MP.

It's hard to call it free stuff, though, since you STILL have to unlock them after downloading it. Which you need to do by either playing a ton or, yup, spending your hard-earned money on random packs until you get what you want. Adding more stuff to grind was about the only way to keep anyone playing that shallow MP mode. And even then I bet the numbers have been dropping.

[sagevallant]

See, though, DA2 was a significantly more complex story than ME 3 presents. And abandoned several cliches that Bioware has been writing into pretty much all their games ever.  The ending wasn't so much the end of anything as the beginning of a major upheaval in the lore, which is fine. We hadn't been building up to "Mages v. Templars" for two prior games, and we hadn't been promised a fulfilling conclusion to it in the promotional material. And it's just a much more gray territory compared to "Humans v. Reapers". For some of us, the more interesting plot focus of DA2 was the Qunari arc.

These factors result in the non-ending being much less infuriating than the non-ending of ME3. This game was supposed to be about the Reapers. Instead we get Cerberus who are vaguely controlled by them. I don't think, by and large, that the majority of players cared about the Illusive Man in the way we cared about the Arishok. The Arishok was gruff and rude, but we talked to him often enough to gain a grudging respect from him. Or we were terrible liars and he hated us.

TIM we saw a couple of times, and certainly didn't feel like we were betraying a friend if we blew up the Collector Base. TIM was a manipulative bastard who we all knew would turn on us if we didn't get the results he wanted. I guess I'm saying he had no development as a character, he was just a cliche about a guy who doesn't comprehend the powers he's playing with. Contrast the Arishok, who was also a man on a mission, a holy mission in fact, who's inability to firstly succeed and secondly remain indifferent to the plights of others was a major drive of the plot in that arc. I for one was compelled not to deceive him at points when it was an option because I felt like there was that level of respect.

With TIM, I just spent all of ME2 certain that at some point my paragon would inevitably have a falling out with him. And was not at all surprised when it happened.

[Ihatebadgames]

After the really really bad ending and plot holes a C-17 could fly through in ME3, I'm leary of buying anything DA3 or ME3 DLC related.So would one of you buy it first and let me know if it's worth playing this summer (or whenever it comes out).Sorry mods or BW/rEAper employees need not apply.You all can't tell the truth.