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[ArchDuck]

sagevallant wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

The last three pages (approximately 7 hours of posts) aren't really discussing the ME3 endings. Much more non-discussion, and this thread will also be closed.

A tad gung ho today.

So what do you think was worse about the game ending: the pseudo science BS (even for science fiction) or the logical fallacies (appeal to authority, circular reasoning, etc.)?

Personally I am having trouble deciding.

There was Science in the ending? I thought it was just shiny lights and space magic.

Pseudo science. You know the meaningless and totally incorrect things like "final evolution" and the implication of making a new robo/organic DNA.

[Kyria Nyriese]

ArchDuck wrote...

sagevallant wrote...
There was Science in the ending? I thought it was just shiny lights and space magic.

Pseudo science. You know the meaningless and totally incorrect things like "final evolution" and the implication of making a new robo/organic DNA.

Well if you want to call the absolute disregard of Science that the ending supplied... I guess you could say there was Science there.

[Goodwood]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

sagevallant wrote...
There was Science in the ending? I thought it was just shiny lights and space magic.

Pseudo science. You know the meaningless and totally incorrect things like "final evolution" and the implication of making a new robo/organic DNA.

Well if you want to call the absolute disregard of Science that the ending supplied... I guess you could say there was Science there.

"It's not science. It's Aperture Science!"

—Cave Johnson

[Greed1914]

Goodwood wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

sagevallant wrote...
There was Science in the ending? I thought it was just shiny lights and space magic.

Pseudo science. You know the meaningless and totally incorrect things like "final evolution" and the implication of making a new robo/organic DNA.

Well if you want to call the absolute disregard of Science that the ending supplied... I guess you could say there was Science there.

"It's not science. It's Aperture Science!"

—Cave Johnson

Combustible lemons could help with all of this.

[Darth Garrus]

Wow. I was gone for a couple of days, and the topic was gone! Too bad. But I'm here now. Any news?

Holding the line!

[sagevallant]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Wow. I was gone for a couple of days, and the topic was gone! Too bad. But I'm here now. Any news?

Holding the line!

Apparently there is a crackdown on people who only hate the ending occasionally. We must either constantly, seethingly hate or we must disband.

[zovoes]

sagevallant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Wow. I was gone for a couple of days, and the topic was gone! Too bad. But I'm here now. Any news?

Holding the line!

Apparently there is a crackdown on people who only hate the ending occasionally. We must either constantly, seethingly hate or we must disband.

terms accepted

i find it funny that they think things have cooled down enough to start pulling out the stick. 4k page long thred saying how much people hate their "art" can't stay huh?

[Darth Garrus]

sagevallant wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

Wow. I was gone for a couple of days, and the topic was gone! Too bad. But I'm here now. Any news?

Holding the line!

Apparently there is a crackdown on people who only hate the ending occasionally. We must either constantly, seethingly hate or we must disband.

So, we must talk about how we hate the ending every post, and nothing regarding peripheral things about the endings? Well, the post was about the endings and what we expected about some new endings, corrections, retcons etc.

The positive side is that I hate the endings very, very much. So it's so difficult to talk about it.

But what about not having the ending we hoped for (any good one, that payed tribute to a great series), and just receiving a generic copy of "Deus Ex" endings ("ipsis literis" copy, by the way)? Does that qualify for the topic? I believe so.

[chmarr]

Ninja Stan wrote...

The last three pages (approximately 7 hours of posts) aren't really discussing the ME3 endings. Much more non-discussion, and this thread will also be closed.

for every off topic comment there are 12 on topic comments.

(( OFF TOPIC ))
this thread was named something else BUT when it was named "v2.0" it was only then you posted a comment, it would have been better to unlock the origonal thread and close this one as the other thread was much more conciseand was in one thread.

we had MANY of the mods make a LOT of off topic comments on there and they all said that if it degraded to something that breeched forum rules it would have then be closed.

a thread named "so we cant get the ending we want after all" would cover MANY diffrent aspects from on topic discussions as well as off topic and random discussions, both of which kept peoples minds thinking and working, it also allowed us to blow off steam without breaking rules but also make valid and invalid arguments.

so by closing a thread of the same name escalates everyones thoughts on how bioware treats the hardcore fans of mass effect and bioware into a much more negative way.

you say 7 hours of off topic discussions caused the thread to be closed compaired to the thousands of hours of on topic discussions.

we were garenteed by various seinor bioware staff that the thread would ONLY be locked if it turned into a flame war in which it did not do.


thats all i have to say on that issue


back to the issue at hand


((ON TOPIC))

i cant remember off the top of my head which movies had there endings rewitten after they were released in the cinema's........

oh wait i do

1. Australia
2. Fatal Attraction
3. Clerks
4. Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
5. Little Shop of Horrors
6. Men in Black II
7. Dawn of the Dead
8. The Break-Up
9. Superman 2
10 .I am legend
11.Live Free or Die Hard
12. Bladerunner
13. Paranormal Activity
14. Clockwork orange
15. Dr. Strangelove
16. Pretty Woman
17. Heathers
18. Army of darkness
19. 28 Days Later
20. Dear John
21. Pretty in pink
22. Avatar


ALL those movies had there endings changed by the audiance which made them great and was used to hype them up, then before "rest of the world" release the actual studio changed the endings which made a LOT of the movies above bomb at the box office.

you see when the viewer is asked what needs to be changed then they know more about it

YET when the studio changes it AFTER it was changed the first time they remove parts which made it more awesome but the studio THINKS they know what we want.

so changing the ending and removing certain elements of ME3 that are suggested by US PLAYERS / FANS will NOT harm a game but instead make it a SHEDLOAD BETTER.

yes YOU might make the game but its US that can break it

[sagevallant]

And that's only AFTER release. A number of movies changed their endings due to focus group feedback prior to release. I betcha if there had been a spoiler thread declaring space magic and star brats for the ending of ME3, feedback would've been overwhelmingly negative.


Edit: Deep Blue Sea. LL Cool J gets to LIVE because of audience feedback, and Saffron Burrows gets to DIE. And it's a better movie because of it.

Modifié par sagevallant, 29 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[Kyria Nyriese]

Well I know I can't for the life of me believe they actually focus tested this game. If so, not sure who they tested it with. I still can't see how they are so out of touch with their audience with the end of this game.

Just a note, we have a secondary thread set up here the usual suspects are there as well.

[Dj14365]

What happened. Last night all was nice while I lurked and now it's gone?

The area that I felt hurt the ending the worst was the lack of variety. Of the hundreds of different routes to take to the end you get shoved into virtually the same shapeless ending. Come on man. (I get the sense that this is a required addition to posts now)

[Ihatebadgames]

Yep,I am back and still hate the mudder ending.The movie "Clue" had three endings and they were all great.Not only did ME3 kill ME1 and 2.It killed its self with the ending.So one ending,three killings.

[ArchDuck]

ArchDuck wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

The last three pages (approximately 7 hours of posts) aren't really discussing the ME3 endings. Much more non-discussion, and this thread will also be closed.

A tad gung ho today.

So what do you think was worse about the game ending: the pseudo science BS (even for science fiction) or the logical fallacies (appeal to authority, circular reasoning, etc.)?

Personally I am having trouble deciding.

I have decided that the crossing from science to pseudo-science to magic science was a bigger sticking point than the logical fails of the catalyst lines.

[sagevallant]

ArchDuck wrote...
I have decided that the crossing from science to pseudo-science to magic science was a bigger sticking point than the logical fails of the catalyst lines.

Oh, I get it now! Shepard was the original Jedi, this is a prequel to Knights of the Old Republic! It all makes sense now!

[Goodwood]

sagevallant wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...
I have decided that the crossing from science to pseudo-science to magic science was a bigger sticking point than the logical fails of the catalyst lines.

Oh, I get it now! Shepard was the original Jedi, this is a prequel to Knights of the Old Republic! It all makes sense now!

Does this mean that midi-chlorians are actually life-forms made of/with element zero?

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Goodwood wrote...


Does this mean that midi-chlorians are actually life-forms made of/with element zero?

The starchild is little annie!

[sagevallant]

Goodwood wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...
I have decided that the crossing from science to pseudo-science to magic science was a bigger sticking point than the logical fails of the catalyst lines.

Oh, I get it now! Shepard was the original Jedi, this is a prequel to Knights of the Old Republic! It all makes sense now!

Does this mean that midi-chlorians are actually life-forms made of/with element zero?

I was thinking that the medichlorians are the result of the synthetic ending, but that works too. Biotics fused with their implants and such.

The Jedi Mind Trick is computer hacking.


Edit: If reloading can be the latest advance in weaponry, it seems reasonable to think that laser swords will be the way of the future.

Modifié par sagevallant, 29 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Luckily (?) Star wars is a long time ago, In a galaxy far far away ect... Though Earth does exist in the Expanded U I bevlive, in the strangest EU graphic novel I ever read the millennium falcons hyperdrive malfunctions while escaping from imperial forces and Han and chewie end up on earth a few hundred years in our past... Han is then killed by native americans and cheiwie becomes bigfoot... Yeah...


Sure a major character in the series is killed off and the whole star wars universe as it is known is called into question... and all for a stupid idea somone had that it would be funny if chewie was bigfoot


Oh and to top it all off I remember his remains are then discovered years later by...


Indiana jones...
http://starwars.wiki...e_Great_Unknown ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://starwars.wiki...e_Great_Unknown

Still a better ending that you know what

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 29 mai 2012 - 04:59 .

[Goodwood]

Actually Biggles, that comic story is classified as "non-canon," thank the Maker.

Makes me wish they'd pull an Infinities and declare the last twenty minutes of ME3 non-canon.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Goodwood wrote...

Actually Biggles, that comic story is classified as "non-canon," thank the Maker.

Makes me wish they'd pull an Infinities and declare the last twenty minutes of ME3 non-canon.

Thats what I meant when I said its a EU story,  if you told lucas about nearly anything from the EU he would say it was non cannon. But obviously some of them are more cannonical than others, and ones that kill of major characters before the trilogy peroid end obviously make no sense.

Though your right it could be cleareer that it is just a wierd what if story, not a permament blight on the lucusverse...
It was alright when I read it, in a kind of WTF thats... wierd I guess but funny,

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 29 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Goodwood wrote...

Actually Biggles, that comic story is classified as "non-canon," thank the Maker.

Makes me wish they'd pull an Infinities and declare the last twenty minutes of ME3 non-canon.

YES!!Though I'd like the whole KL quest added in that also.

[Tazzmission]

i pmed this to chris a week or 2 ago

i hope you guys like it and its all from the top of my head


this part>>> was updated >>>the choices you make are accumulated by catalyst at the end and gives you 2 options for the fate of the galaxy


paragon ending


shepard chooses to controll the reapers and dies and 3 days after winning the war every species of the universe joins the alliance and citadel councilers to honor shepards memory, hacket gives shepard a military acomodation and a speech,

the normandy crew and surviving people from me2 stand and look at there fallen leader realising he/she is gone then part ways, the camera slowly scrolls down to read shepards FULL name on the tombstone with the sam hulick spectre theme playing


renegade option

choosing to destroy the reapers will cause a universal extinction with the relays and destroys the citadel, normandy crew basicly every living being every planet wich will end this current cycle

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 06:06 .

[Goodwood]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Actually Biggles, that comic story is classified as "non-canon," thank the Maker.

Makes me wish they'd pull an Infinities and declare the last twenty minutes of ME3 non-canon.

Thats what I meant when I said its a EU story,  if you told lucas about nearly anything from the EU he would say it was non cannon. But obviously some of them are more cannonical than others, and ones that kill of major characters before the trilogy peroid end obviously make no sense.

Though your right it could be cleareer that it is just a wierd what if story, not a permament blight on the lucusverse...
It was alright when I read it, in a kind of WTF thats... wierd I guess but funny,

Cannon go boom.

Anyway, EU stands for "Expanded Universe," the vast majority of which is considered "canon" by Lucasfilm Licensing (not George himself, he's too busy becoming an auteur filmmaker and ruining the films). That's what the Mass Effect series has been going for with the various novels and iPhone games (yes, there's even at least one Star Wars iPhone game) and other products. However, unless the EC turns everything around and/or cures at least one type of cancer, then such a Mass Effect Expanded Universe won't be very profitable at all.

At least in this poster's humble opinion.

Modifié par Goodwood, 29 mai 2012 - 06:22 .