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[Huntress]

magnetite wrote...

players do not want EC to be bad, EC is going to be bad because it won't change or add a new end, it just add more cut scenes to the horrible endings.

Ending isn't that bad. Just wasn't explained very well. That's what the EC is going to do. Did you know they've had this same ending since around November last year? I don't know when they wrote it, but this is what they were going for from the start.

There's a lot more to the ending than everyone realizes. I watched this 90 minute video a few days ago and the amount of little details put into the last 20 minutes of the game is actually quite astonishing. Kind of puts aside the feeling that the ending was rushed.

I am sorry if you are ok with the end, i do not feel the same way about it, is ok with 1 end killing Sheaprd but 3.. come on give me a f...brake! one of this end should have had a positive outcome for the main character! and when it comes down to it there are really only three different options for the ending all of which are way too similar and way too depressing.

I do not think Mass Effect 3 is a bad game, I was not into space+shooting games until my friend ask me to play it and see for myself what was wrong with mass effect series and  the why is it worst that what ever happened to DA2...
He was right. With  that said I would like to state that I am disappointed with the ending.

A Good ending is in keeping with the rest of the game, both in terms of concluding the story arc and providing a suitable end-point for the player’s emotions. It’s also the payoff or reward for finishing the game, the recognition of some 30 hours of gameplay. It doesn’t have to be a happy or even bittersweet ending, but it needs to fit in terms of
context, emotion and reward.

2 of the ends in mass effect 3 are so.. wrong thats why people are so upset, tell me if after watching Aliens+ the rest of the movies at the end of Alien resurrection ended like this:

How is that artistic? Thats exactly what happens in 2 of the end in mass effect3, leaving the treat as it is, a threat or just making everyone that you care about half- machine, after pushing them to the limit trying to destroy say machines.. is stupid no other word just stupid.


All this that is happening it’s just a sad lesson on how not to end a game.

Modifié par Huntress, 28 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[Icemix]

magnetite wrote...

Icemix wrote...
*looks at your sig*

Nope.
 
The ending is what it is. There is no deep meaning, there are no mind games, THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION!

Maybe you're not looking hard enough.[1] I actually found something in that ending that explains some things about the synthesis ending using a math equation and cathode ray tubes.

A lot of people don't want to put any serious thought into it. [2]That's what their plan was. It wasn't to have some spoon fed ending for the masses. Okay, so some don't believe Shepard was indoctrinated and that's fine. However, it was clear that they didn't want to tell you everything about the ending. Their plan was to explain some things (extended cut), but leave some open to interpretation so you could figure it out on your own.

[1] And what did you find out exactly?

[2] Again, there was no plan. They seriosly thought that this ending was good enough and that it wraped up everything, which could not be any further from the truth.

Bioware is a company. The main goal of a company is to make money. Deliberately pissing off your customers does not generate any future benefits. ****ing pull your head out of your ass and think for a second. All of their responses so far make it clear that they did not expect the fans to react like that and that the EC was never a plan.

Maybe you are looking into the ending too much.

Modifié par Icemix, 28 mai 2012 - 03:41 .

[ItsTheTruth]

A few months before the release of the next Mass Effect game, we'll start hearing some PR lies about how "ME3 had some issues but we have learned from these mistakes".

[MegaBadExample]

StElmo wrote...

Starspiral wrote...

next week at E3 - that is what I am guessing. It is the "obvious" place for them to announce it.

If nothing at e3 im gonna be very dissapointed.

Honestly, I wouldn't get your hopes up. The EC might turn out to be another slap in the face.

[Walla Walla 06]

Icemix wrote...

magnetite wrote...

players do not want EC to be bad, EC is going to be bad because it won't change or add a new end, it just add more cut scenes to the horrible endings.

Ending isn't that bad. Just wasn't explained very well. That's what the EC is going to do. Did you know they've had this same ending since around November last year? I don't know when they wrote it, but this is what they were going for from the start.

There's a lot more to the ending than everyone realizes. I watched this 90 minute video a few days ago and the amount of little details put into the last 20 minutes of the game is actually quite astonishing. Kind of puts aside the feeling that the ending was rushed.

*looks at your sig*

Nope.
 
The ending is what it is. There is no deep meaning, there are no mind games, THERE IS NO INDOCTRINATION!

Yeah, I really can't wait till the EC comes out, just so all the Indoctrination Theory nonsense can go away.  This isn't friggin high school English class where you had to read between the lines for meaning or whatever.  This isn't the Sopranos with a cut-to-black that left everyone geussing.  The ending is pretty obvious.  If you still havne't figured that out after 3 months, you're going to be disappointed by the ending DLC.

[Chris Priestly]

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

[Icemix]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

But that is the impression that people got after the EC announcement. You asked for people's input about the ending, and pretty much everyone had a problem with the starkid, yet in the EC q&a, it clearly states that you have no plans to deal with him or change anything in the ending. Now granted, I can not see into the future and know what the EC is going to bring, but it seems like it won't realy adress the main problem of the ending. I believe that is where the "you are not listening" is comming from.

[CG Drum]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

Chris

I can understand that you may be frustrated that people make comments like "Yes we are listening"  but i personally feel the problem is that people feel like they have been left hanging. 

For me I am happy to wait for the extended ending DLC - take as long as you want but a lot of us have put the game to one side until that is released so obviously people want to have an idea of when that will be.

I think this is all about people wanting to play your game - which has to be a good thing, don't you think?! 

[Windninja47]

It's called an "Extended Cut", not a "Replace what you didn't like with something else Cut". It'll have some extra conversations and a longer cinematic showing your war assets fighting. (I imagine).

[Icemix]

Windninja47 wrote...

It's called an "Extended Cut", not a "Replace what you didn't like with something else Cut". It'll have some extra conversations and a longer cinematic showing your war assets fighting. (I imagine).

And how does that exactly address the problems that people have with the ending?

[ItsTheTruth]

Icemix wrote...

Windninja47 wrote...

It's called an "Extended Cut", not a "Replace what you didn't like with something else Cut". It'll have some extra conversations and a longer cinematic showing your war assets fighting. (I imagine).

And how does that exactly address the problems that people have with the ending?

It doesn't, it "fixes" the problems that Bioware:

- likes to imagine people have ("not enough clarity and closure", instead of terrible writing and awful deus ex machina)
- can "fix" easily and relatively quickly (add a few cinematics instead of e.g. changing EMS system)

[StElmo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

Thanks for letting us know about E3.

I think some people are probably a little frustrated that there was all this communication before the game came out, but it seemed to have gone straight to press statements and no BSN afterwards. (I think?) not 100% cos I wasn't on the forums much pre-ME3.release.

Going by what people are saying, they would like affirmation that certain issues have been heard or something, I guess. Most people's problem with the game is it's lack of adherence to pre-release statements made just prior to the release date.

If the game was patched to be more in line with what we were being told and hyped for, people would be less quick to fall on vitriol. That does not justify it, I agree, there is no help in acting like a jerk on BSN. But I do think a few comments from the devs on BSN would help.

I could be wrong though, so I dunno.

Windninja47 wrote...

It's called an "Extended Cut", not a
"Replace what you didn't like with something else Cut". It'll have some
extra conversations and a longer cinematic showing your war assets
fighting. (I imagine).

I imagine that would serve even more to damage relations with consumers who disliked the ending.

But we don't really know what the EC will have, so I'm keeping my hopes up.

[DoctorEss]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

Funny thing, Chris.  Respect is bidirectional, you know?  If you spend as much time as you have being condescending, rude, and downright disrespectful to customers, PAYING customers, don't tell me you're honestly surprised that you get what you give.

Just remember, when EA asks you "Why aren't they buying your products?  Why have they stopped giving us money?"

Gee... I wonder why?

In other words, we're the ones with the money.  It's not like you really need it explained what happens when our money stops entering EA's accounts.  It'd behoove you to *actually* listen, instead of just acting like you are, because you were told to say that.

Gamers and our money will always be here.  Game companies and their staff?  Nah.  Not so much.  Ask Sierra, Origin, Bullfrog, Westwood, Troika.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.  It's not EA, for the record.  It's all of us.

Modifié par DoctorEss, 28 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[StElmo]

Huntress wrote...

StElmo wrote...

FLANDERS wrote...

I wouldlike to hear also but , I think we will not till after comic-con, in san diego the weekend of july 22,23,24. Do not get your hopes about the EC, because from rumor control its just going to be parts that were left out.

Where's this coming from?

If it is just a few extra cut scenes, that will be awful.

Thats exactly what EC is about:

"What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want  more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey."

Source: http://social.biowar.../index/11028261

players do not want EC to be bad, EC is going to be bad because it won't change or add a new end, it just add more cut scenes to the horrible endings.

I'll believe it when I see it on my computer screen playing out.

Nobody is foolish enough to excercerbate a problem by saying they are listening to fans and then giving them more what they don't want.

IT is true, or something is up their sleeve, i bet.

[Huntress]

Icemix wrote...

Windninja47 wrote...

It's called an "Extended Cut", not a "Replace what you didn't like with something else Cut". It'll have some extra conversations and a longer cinematic showing your war assets fighting. (I imagine).

And how does that exactly address the problems that people have with the ending?

It doesn't adress anything the EC is to enhance the poorly writen end.
Something that I want them to explain is: 1) why Shepard love interest leave him behind like a sick dog and then has the best job in the galaxy.. reproducing with one or more of shepard's closest friends. can't wait to see it.

Hmm I just feel bad about Liara.. 1000 years populating a planet!

Modifié par Huntress, 28 mai 2012 - 06:35 .

[Icemix]

StElmo wrote...

Huntress wrote...

StElmo wrote...

FLANDERS wrote...

I wouldlike to hear also but , I think we will not till after comic-con, in san diego the weekend of july 22,23,24. Do not get your hopes about the EC, because from rumor control its just going to be parts that were left out.

Where's this coming from?

If it is just a few extra cut scenes, that will be awful.

Thats exactly what EC is about:

"What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want  more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey."

Source: http://social.biowar.../index/11028261

players do not want EC to be bad, EC is going to be bad because it won't change or add a new end, it just add more cut scenes to the horrible endings.

I'll believe it when I see it on my computer screen playing out.

Nobody is foolish enough to excercerbate a problem by saying they are listening to fans and then giving them more what they don't want.

IT is true, or something is up their sleeve, i bet.

Oh come on! Enough with that silly fanfic. It is not true, never was, never will. Bioware does not use fanfic.

[BouncyCaitian]

I will remain quiet on the subject.

I had only recent discovered that the ending had been changed, due to a previous leak from inside EA/Bioware. And so the ending we go was the result of an artistic Hissy-fit on BW's part,

I'm giving a chance here, Bioware. Impress me

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

New tweet coming from Chris Priestly's twitter:

«People keep asking me, so to be clear: No, there will be no ME3 Extended Cut preview, video, announce, etc at E3.»
[link]

Another nail in the coffin. And it proves, once more, that the PR department is still running the show.

Yes, we are listening...

Wow, you pretty much totally got this wrong.

PR are the people who WANT to announce dates. It behooves PR to be able to tell press or whomever that X is when you will learn things as it generates magzine or website news. E3 is a HUGE PR event (not only for BioWare and EA for all gaming).

If the Extended Cut was ready to have an annoucenement on a date or similar the PR team would likely want to announce, However, since the Extended Cut is not yet ready to be announced, there is no date for E3. It is that simple.

And your little "yes we are listening" thing... yeah. Awesome. This is exactly the sort of thing that makes us want to announce. "Why aren't the Devs telling us anything? Why have they stopped talking? Why are they ignoring us?" Gee... I wonder why?

Well to use the Xmas present analogy earlier, I'm just going to assume all I'm getting is a pair of socks unless I see evidence to the contrary.  And not the warm, practically slippers kind either.  And hopefully I'll be pleasantly suprised.  EC will be done when it's done.  I just hope it'll be done before Heart of the Swarm 

But for the listening part: I think the problem is while Bioware may in fact be listening, there's little evidence of active listening.  We have threads to post what we like and don't like, but there's no requests for clarification (that all-important word) no probing questions into what in fact we don't like.  

For example, people say they don't like the Starkid.  Okay, are you taking from that we don't like how the scene with him plays out or are you thinking he'd be better accepted if he took the form of Anderson or Nihlus?

So all we're left to do is talk and debate and speculate (not the good speculating, mind) and wonder if any of this is being heard.  And if it is heard, if it's understood.

I understand that recently you visited the HTL boards and asked some questions about expectations for EC and about IT.  That's good.  That's active listening.  Focusing in on what people specifically want and what disappointed them about the product.  But for the most part all we can do is hopeour thoughts aren't  being completely misinterpreted.

[cyniel]

And this just turned into another anti-bioware topic. I have to say that I'm willing to wait to an announcement for EC. Yeah, I'm one of the few that liked the ending after having spent years and multiple playthroughs with my Shepard. It's ultimately Bioware's game and theirs to do with what they want.

Now, with knowing there is no announcement of EC, what will Bioware announce at E3? Will it be Mass Effect or something Dragon Age related?

[Icemix]

cyniel wrote...

And this just turned into another anti-bioware topic. I have to say that I'm willing to wait to an announcement for EC. Yeah, I'm one of the few that liked the ending after having spent years and multiple playthroughs with my Shepard. It's ultimately Bioware's game and theirs to do with what they want.

Now, with knowing there is no announcement of EC, what will Bioware announce at E3? Will it be Mass Effect or something Dragon Age related?

You like the ending or you are a fan of the IT headcannon? There is a huge difference.

[cyniel]

Icemix wrote...

cyniel wrote...

And this just turned into another anti-bioware topic. I have to say that I'm willing to wait to an announcement for EC. Yeah, I'm one of the few that liked the ending after having spent years and multiple playthroughs with my Shepard. It's ultimately Bioware's game and theirs to do with what they want.

Now, with knowing there is no announcement of EC, what will Bioware announce at E3? Will it be Mass Effect or something Dragon Age related?

You like the ending or you are a fan of the IT headcannon? There is a huge difference.

I don't acknowledge IT. I actually like the ending, clarification will definitely help with certain plot holes.