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2 of the ends in mass effect 3 are so.. wrong thats why people are so upset, tell me if after watching Aliens+ the rest of the movies at the end of Alien resurrection ended like this: Image IPB
How is that artistic?


The ending to Alien: Resurrection is actually a very fitting conclusion, taking the film's themes of maternity and existential guilt into account. Ripley is reconstructed from the dead with no biological precedent for the sole purpose of breeding xenomorphs, and she must consequently destroy her only offspring in order to survive.
The whole thing was handled a lot better than the trite and forced family unit in Cameron's Aliens.

That out of the way, I have no interest in the rest of this debate.

Good day.


You think Resurrection is better than Aliens? Surely you're joking. Right?

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Honestly, I don't know what's worse... to keep posting about my dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 and risk repeating myself and possibly disillusioning the devs, or to stop posting and make the devs think that it really wasn't that big a deal anyway, people like me just needed a little while to get over it, and there's no need to make any particularly sweeping changes to the ending.

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Estelindis wrote...

Honestly, I don't know what's worse... to keep posting about my dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 and risk repeating myself and possibly disillusioning the devs, or to stop posting and make the devs think that it really wasn't that big a deal anyway, people like me just needed a little while to get over it, and there's no need to make any particularly sweeping changes to the ending.


Honestly the best way to be heard by a company, if you're dissatisfied with their product is to stop buying their product. A decline in sales will make EA and Bioware rethink about their strategies and what should be in their next games and shouldn't.

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So much hate on the forums, If you sit and watch every thread every day the time is only going to seem worse, check back every week or so, its what I do unless I see an interesting discussion.,

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jab72793 wrote...

So much hate on the forums, If you sit and watch every thread every day the time is only going to seem worse, check back every week or so, its what I do unless I see an interesting discussion.,


Completely agree. I usually come on when there's an announcement such as today's patch.

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Estelindis wrote...

Honestly, I don't know what's worse... to keep posting about my dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 and risk repeating myself and possibly disillusioning the devs, or to stop posting and make the devs think that it really wasn't that big a deal anyway, people like me just needed a little while to get over it, and there's no need to make any particularly sweeping changes to the ending.


It doesn't really matter though. They've already said that the EC is all we're getting and all the EC will do is add a bit to the end without changing anything. If the EC doesn't go over well it won't really make a difference. ME3 already sold like gangbusters and all of the big game news outlets have reported the EC as a "new" ending, so Bioware already won. They lied about the game and cheated thier customers out of the game they were promised but Bioware won any way.

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Personally I'm still holding the line with the fact that they will use some of that Shepard charm and come up with something amazing, even if it is just a cut scene of shep waking up afterwards. thats all, like the Turian councilor we have grown to hate, I refuse to accept anything even when given proof

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I can't help to express my discomfort in the fact that my earlier post triggered this whole thing, even though there was a glimpse of positive dialog afterwards.

I think we can all acknowledge the immense pressure that's been put on BioWare during the aftermath of ME3 launch. We all have our reasons to be here, some rational, others emotional, but maybe in the end lines were crossed that shouldn't have been. And that's regrettable.

The greatest tragedy is that the relationship between BioWare and its fanbase has become somewhat toxic. But I would like to remind everyone of this... For many months, before the game was released, if you visited fan blogs - and there are many out there - you would see the immense love of the community for the series and for this company. People were cheering at every new information, every new bit of concept art, every screenshot, every trailer. It was an incredible ride.

This community of fans, out there on the web, was promoting the game with complete faith. This was going to be "the game to end all games". This would be the year of Mass Effect 3. Nothing would ever come close.

And now here we are. I think that a lot of the frustration and anger comes from the fact that BioWare has still not openly acknowledged "the problem". That the conclusion of the game was unsatisfactory to a lot of people. It's not just about "clarity and closure" and we think you know it. Just look at these forums. In the aftermath of Mass Effect 3, people should be talking about the greatness of this journey. And here you have all these debates on synthesis and control and destroy. That's what became of this trilogy? That's Mass Effect's legacy? An endless intellectual charade?

So, if we are restless about BioWare's silence regarding the EC, it's because we really care. It's our final hope. We want something that allows us to celebrate the greatness of the Mass Effect series, the greatness of Commander Shepard and his/her team of heroes.

Our reasons to complain... you know, for me, it's got nothing to do with "being a paying customer". It's because we really, really love this universe. To see this turn into a toxic mess, is tragic. Something needs to be done to fix this. And at this point, with fans and devs at opposite sides of the barricade, I don't know how it can be done. But we really must start coming out of the trenches and open lines of dialog. There must be another way to do it.

And that's where you guys at BioWare, with your logos on top of your avatars, can make a difference. What you address, and how you do it, is most significant. No matter how bruised and battered you guys feel, silence won't heal this. You guys must lead the way...

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Chris Priestly wrote...

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No no no.  That is not what I mean.  I mean provide information with valid, useful content.


Yes, but I just wrote about how now is not yet the time to do this. So, after immediately saying that I understand you want information but I am not at a position for it to be given, you seemed to be saying that you want me to post when I can give you the information I said I can't give you yet?




:devil:


Actually, I'm not asking you nor do I expect you to provide direct information concerning the EC work beyond technical detail: they have completed the script and VAs are being brought in.  VAs have completed their work and the artists/modelers are completing the game rendering and artwork.  We are now at final debugging and QC.  We should have an official announcement for you around the end of X MONTH.  That's it. 

I simply accept that there is no opinion on a work from Bioware that you can actually say ANYTHING other than something positive.  Your actual personal opinion about some aspect or decision about the ME3 game itself, some detail about side missions, or your personal opinion on the ending, as is, in ME3 may be strongly negative or mixed in reality but anything you say HERE is going to be nothing but strongly positive.  Thus there's no point is saying anything along those lines because your information along THOSE lines are circumscribed.  

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BrotherWarth wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Huntress wrote...


2 of the ends in mass effect 3 are so.. wrong thats why people are so upset, tell me if after watching Aliens+ the rest of the movies at the end of Alien resurrection ended like this: Image IPB
How is that artistic?


The ending to Alien: Resurrection is actually a very fitting conclusion, taking the film's themes of maternity and existential guilt into account. Ripley is reconstructed from the dead with no biological precedent for the sole purpose of breeding xenomorphs, and she must consequently destroy her only offspring in order to survive.
The whole thing was handled a lot better than the trite and forced family unit in Cameron's Aliens.

That out of the way, I have no interest in the rest of this debate.

Good day.


You think Resurrection is better than Aliens? Surely you're joking. Right?

:blink:


THAT series should have ended with the second one, Aliens.  Everything beyond that was beating a dead horse.  It was just another example of Hollywood taking something good and milking it down to a dried out and totally dead and irrelevant husk.  Same thing with the Terminator series.  It ended (properly) at the second one.  After that...dead horse.

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Daniel_N7 wrote...

I can't help to express my discomfort in the fact that my earlier post triggered this whole thing, even though there was a glimpse of positive dialog afterwards.

I think we can all acknowledge the immense pressure that's been put on BioWare during the aftermath of ME3 launch. We all have our reasons to be here, some rational, others emotional, but maybe in the end lines were crossed that shouldn't have been. And that's regrettable.

The greatest tragedy is that the relationship between BioWare and its fanbase has become somewhat toxic. But I would like to remind everyone of this... For many months, before the game was released, if you visited fan blogs - and there are many out there - you would see the immense love of the community for the series and for this company. People were cheering at every new information, every new bit of concept art, every screenshot, every trailer. It was an incredible ride.

This community of fans, out there on the web, was promoting the game with complete faith. This was going to be "the game to end all games". This would be the year of Mass Effect 3. Nothing would ever come close.

And now here we are. I think that a lot of the frustration and anger comes from the fact that BioWare has still not openly acknowledged "the problem". That the conclusion of the game was unsatisfactory to a lot of people. It's not just about "clarity and closure" and we think you know it. Just look at these forums. In the aftermath of Mass Effect 3, people should be talking about the greatness of this journey. And here you have all these debates on synthesis and control and destroy. That's what became of this trilogy? That's Mass Effect's legacy? An endless intellectual charade?

So, if we are restless about BioWare's silence regarding the EC, it's because we really care. It's our final hope. We want something that allows us to celebrate the greatness of the Mass Effect series, the greatness of Commander Shepard and his/her team of heroes.

Our reasons to complain... you know, for me, it's got nothing to do with "being a paying customer". It's because we really, really love this universe. To see this turn into a toxic mess, is tragic. Something needs to be done to fix this. And at this point, with fans and devs at opposite sides of the barricade, I don't know how it can be done. But we really must start coming out of the trenches and open lines of dialog. There must be another way to do it.

And that's where you guys at BioWare, with your logos on top of your avatars, can make a difference. What you address, and how you do it, is most significant. No matter how bruised and battered you guys feel, silence won't heal this. You guys must lead the way...



...wow...

#137
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All looks like a classic case of people getting upset and reacting nastily and defensively - on both sides sometimes. If you upset people you must acknowledge it and stop digging your heels in the sand. If you've been upset you need to keep calm and act rationally, avoid digging for unreasonable stuff and avoid personal name-calling.

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Chris, thanks for the info posted here. Don't pay attention to people who will be always dissatisfied. A lot of people here would love to recieve any info you got.

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Daniel_N7 wrote...

I can't help to express my discomfort in the fact that my earlier post triggered this whole thing, even though there was a glimpse of positive dialog afterwards.

I think we can all acknowledge the immense pressure that's been put on BioWare during the aftermath of ME3 launch. We all have our reasons to be here, some rational, others emotional, but maybe in the end lines were crossed that shouldn't have been. And that's regrettable.

The greatest tragedy is that the relationship between BioWare and its fanbase has become somewhat toxic. But I would like to remind everyone of this... For many months, before the game was released, if you visited fan blogs - and there are many out there - you would see the immense love of the community for the series and for this company. People were cheering at every new information, every new bit of concept art, every screenshot, every trailer. It was an incredible ride.

This community of fans, out there on the web, was promoting the game with complete faith. This was going to be "the game to end all games". This would be the year of Mass Effect 3. Nothing would ever come close.

And now here we are. I think that a lot of the frustration and anger comes from the fact that BioWare has still not openly acknowledged "the problem". That the conclusion of the game was unsatisfactory to a lot of people. It's not just about "clarity and closure" and we think you know it. Just look at these forums. In the aftermath of Mass Effect 3, people should be talking about the greatness of this journey. And here you have all these debates on synthesis and control and destroy. That's what became of this trilogy? That's Mass Effect's legacy? An endless intellectual charade?

So, if we are restless about BioWare's silence regarding the EC, it's because we really care. It's our final hope. We want something that allows us to celebrate the greatness of the Mass Effect series, the greatness of Commander Shepard and his/her team of heroes.

Our reasons to complain... you know, for me, it's got nothing to do with "being a paying customer". It's because we really, really love this universe. To see this turn into a toxic mess, is tragic. Something needs to be done to fix this. And at this point, with fans and devs at opposite sides of the barricade, I don't know how it can be done. But we really must start coming out of the trenches and open lines of dialog. There must be another way to do it.

And that's where you guys at BioWare, with your logos on top of your avatars, can make a difference. What you address, and how you do it, is most significant. No matter how bruised and battered you guys feel, silence won't heal this. You guys must lead the way...


THIS --^

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Chris Priestly wrote...

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not necessarily. I garuntee you they will announce some kind of DLC for MP. Even if they dont, its only a matter of time until they do.


And what do we get if your guarantee is wrong? Just curious.



:devil:

Not having to pay for any MP DLC, or only making SP DLC from now on? That would be nice. I might respect Bioware a bit more. But SP is really all I care about. And if theres no post ending DLC or gameplay then I dont really see the point in ME3 anymore.

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Emeck73 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Olueq wrote...
not necessarily. I garuntee you they will announce some kind of DLC for MP. Even if they dont, its only a matter of time until they do.


And what do we get if your guarantee is wrong? Just curious.



:devil:


How about Olueq gets a lifetime ban from the forums if he/she is wrong.


Seconded.

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Emeck73 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Olueq wrote...
not necessarily. I garuntee you they will announce some kind of DLC for MP. Even if they dont, its only a matter of time until they do.


And what do we get if your guarantee is wrong? Just curious.



:devil:


How about Olueq gets a lifetime ban from the forums if he/she is wrong.


Seconded.



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Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.



:devil:


Chris, this was big of you, and the right thing to do.  I respect someone willing to admit when he's crossed a line, and who is then willing to make it right.

I think the important thing to look at, when you wade through a lot of the vitriol and anger here, is that each and every one of those spitting mad people?  All of them were the same ones that were singing your praises 6 months ago.

We're not angry/upset/disappointed because it's fun, or healthy.  (It's neither).  We are because we're just as personally invested in this series as Bioware is.  From a different angle, sure.  But no less emotionally tied to it.

I know it's an old adage, but each one of those screen names belongs to a real live person, and one that is (in many cases here) in a state where they feel wronged/let down/etcetera.  They come here for some answers, or even some comfort that it will "all be okay", as it were, and a lot of the time they meet a lot of resistance.  Resistance from other posters is to be expected, resistance from the very people they want help from?  Not so much expected, and just makes everything they're angry about sting more.

Other people might still take you to task, in fact, I'd likely guarantee it, but this is a helluva step in the right direction, and a stance like this goes a long way towards salving burnt tempers.

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Ugh, I just typed out an incredibly long reply and now it feels so... unnecessary.

Thanks for the information/apology/viewpoint Chris. To the OP, I'm honestly not sure.

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Unfortunately. I have no faith in Bioware after DA2, TOR, and now ME3. Not to mention the novels (rofl deception), and the horrible and inconsistant comics.

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Olueq wrote...

Unfortunately. I have no faith in Bioware after DA2, TOR, and now ME3.


Am I really alone in thinking DA2 was pretty alright?  Or that I don't understand why people dislike TOR?

I mean, I'm right there with you on ME3, but...  I can't make myself hate DA2 or TOR.  :-/  Sorry.

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DA2 i HATED. and for Bioware it was incredibly mediocre. and TOR was pointless at lvl cap, had tons of glitches, and was terrible optimized.

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DoctorEss wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Unfortunately. I have no faith in Bioware after DA2, TOR, and now ME3.


Am I really alone in thinking DA2 was pretty alright?  Or that I don't understand why people dislike TOR?

I mean, I'm right there with you on ME3, but...  I can't make myself hate DA2 or TOR.  :-/  Sorry.


I would like to play TOR but my PC isn't up to snuff for it so I have no opinion eitherway.

As for DA2, I 'liked' it but coming from DA1 it was incredibly disappointing. I certainly didn't hate it though. I loved ME3 in fact except for the obvious Earth / ending portion.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Fans: "Speak to us".
Me: "Ok. It looks good".
Fans: "Yeah well what else would you say."
Me: *sigh*



:devil:


Finally something that agree with:P, yeah that sucks, and I can appreciate how that can be difficult.

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Lol well maybe if Bioware didnt lie all the time, we would have more faith in them, no?