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[Trebor1969]

CrustyBot wrote...

Aztecfenix wrote...

They aren't saying much because is all the whining and negative comments people post all the time. If some of you guys whined about every little thing they post at might actually see more posts by them. Thanks BW...

No, you wouldn't.

Let's not be delusional and paint BioWare as a company of emotional children who are so afraid of criticism and mean words that they refuse to share information with the community until everyone steps in line to give them a hug; or let them know that they are the greatest developers on the planet.

BioWare is not sharing any new information with the community because there is no relevant new information to share.

Priestly made a point earlier which was 100% true. If they had something to present to the audience, PR and the devs would get a case of verbal diarrhea trying to get us to know about it in the hopes of getting us more interested in their work.

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[Tonymac]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

I agree with Chris here.  I'm sure a lot of us here do as well.  I know that I don't want to be rude to him or anyone else on these forums.

I guess that since I am so passionate about the series, and its ending, and that since Chris is a representative, that I take it out on him.  I never wanted to do that - and I don't want us to do it. 

Lets all step back and get a cup of coffee, come back, and play nice.  Come on guys, the coffee is on me!

[AdamJenson]

Bronze65 wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

I don't blame Chris for being snotty either. Frankly, if I were him, I would be doing the same thing. To those of you that have been respectful, mature and informative in your suggestions, give yourself a pat on the back. You're a tribute to the human race.

Those that stomp their feet and scream like a baby that needs to be changed, you're not helping anything and I'd ask you, please, shut up.

And if we really do need to be changed?  Hmmm?  You think we like sitting here in our own steaming poo? 

Who, um, promoted you to boss of everyone anyway?  You aren't the boss of me!

No noise, no hydrocarbon (ie, squeaky wheel gets the grease...you gotta make noise or you will be ignored...no "stamping of feet" no attempt to fix the ending debacle...etc).

Yes. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. But it's amazing what more you can accomplish when people squeak in a mature, intelligent, respectful manner than threatening people's lives, demanding their money back or raging like a child.

Well then...I never called anyone nams, threatened anyone...I raged like a big scary adult male and did get my money back (not during said raging...said raging was done at my desk with fists pounding desk and words yelled at the sky).

I don't recall ever calling you out either - I was speaking very generally.

I know you weren't calling me out.  I was pre-empting any attempts by others (you know who you are!) to slap that paintbrush on any and all of the "entitled" who vent on the suckage that was the ending. 

*I've got my augmented eyes on you people who know who you are!*

[AdamJenson]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i dont get the whole point of the EC DLC..Isnt there a rule in writing where if you need to TELL your audience whats going on, its bad writing?

Yes.  Just as in joke telling.  If you have to go back and explain your joke and why it's funny, it wasn't funny and you failed at the joke.  You cannot recover it via explanation after-the-fact. 

It's like a physical law.

[AdamJenson]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Unfortunately. I have no faith in Bioware after DA2, TOR, and now ME3.

Am I really alone in thinking DA2 was pretty alright?

I'll admit to liking DA2.

OK, I think we've got an accurate count now.  Let's see...one...two...five.  There are five of you.  

So YOU are the ones.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AdamJenson wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i dont get the whole point of the EC DLC..Isnt there a rule in writing where if you need to TELL your audience whats going on, its bad writing?

Yes.  Just as in joke telling.  If you have to go back and explain your joke and why it's funny, it wasn't funny and you failed at the joke.  You cannot recover it via explanation after-the-fact. 

It's like a physical law.

I like the wit in your reply but I don't think that's right for jokes, a lot of times people are too stupid to get the joke or isn't familiar with a reference.

[AdamJenson]

Aztecfenix wrote...

They aren't saying much because is all the whining and negative comments people post all the time. If some of you guys whined about every little thing they post at might actually see more posts by them. Thanks BW...

Actually, I simply do not want to hear Priestly's "opinion" on the EC.  He could easily have an opininon that meshes with most humans and even have thought back in January 2012, before release, that "this sucker is going to go over like a lead balloon inflated with water", but what he would say in these forums would automatically be, "It looks FANTASTIC and EVERYONE IS GOING TO INSANELY LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!"  Simple.  If he stated his REAL opinion, he'd be called into an office before close of business the same day and get "the talk":

Boss (Hudson?): "Chris!  Got a minute?  Let's talk.  Come into my office...why don't you shut the door."
Chris: "Uh, what's up?"
Boss: "Chris...first, are you thirsty?  Want a latte?  No?  OK, fine.  Look, Chris, you know I love you right?
Chris: "Uh..."
Boss: "Some of us were just thinking that maybe you'd be happier working somewhere else.  It just doesn't seem like this job is a good 'fit' for you, am I wrong?"
Chris: "Wha? NO! I love this..."
Boss: "Yeah, I think we are in agreement.  You really would be happier somewhere else.  I'm glad we were able to come to this agreement like adults, you know?  Don't worry about your stuff, we'll have security pack up your belongings from your desk and put them in a box for you by the end of the week.  You can pick them up from the front door receptionist on Friday."
Chris: "!!!!"
Boss: "Oh there they are!  Chris, these two guys are going to walk you to the parking lot and make sure you get to your car OK.  So...Look at the time!  I have a tee time in half-an-hour.  I tell you what Chris, this job is just a never ending pile of work, work, work.  Be glad you're free of it.  Say hello to your little lady.  Bubye." 

No, true personal opinions on the EC, game design choices, selection and presentation of character faces to the player, side missions, etc, I'm sure Chris has actual personal opinions about.  Maybe he is isn't totally taken with groupthink (very difficult to avoid in tight groups) and actually looks at a lot of this stuff with a clear and unclouded mind.  MAYBE some of his opinions mesh perfectly with the "official opinion" of the company (Great!  Everything is FANTASTIC!  Wow, just wow!  Great great stuff here folks!) and maybe some of them are 180 degrees out of sink (I cannot believe they are going with that.  What WERE they thinking!?) but we would never ever know or be able to know (until he quits the company and writes his memoirs on "My Life at Bioware") because they will all come out as "official opinion".  

No.  What I'd like is information that he could provide if he were properly ungagged.  Don't spill stuff that needs to remain secret but much doesn't have to be secret.  For instance, originally and repeatedly we were all told that the forthcoming EC will not change a thing.  It will only expand on a few aspects of the current ending.  It will all be cutscene only.  No player input, no player control, just exposition.  Is that still true?  Has there been any change in this policy/position now that the work on the EC has gotten past the script writing part and now calls fo VAs to come in and yap into a mic?  SOME people seem to be of the opinion that there might well be some new content/playability added.  Me, I do not believe so.  I hold to the original announcement because it is thus far the only official statement made.  How about updating or re-stating the actual current official position/statement?  

Say, "The EC includes passive dialog and, as stated originally, will not add new playable content."  (This would terminate any hope by ITers that Bioware is pulling an IT because to go IT REQUIRES that any follow-on content be playable up to the new REAL ending as required by IT).  You could say, "The EC will include additional dialog choices and some playable content."  This would ignite "speculations from everyone" and would add fuel to the ITers, good or ill.  It would also offer some greater hope to ITers and non-ITers that the ending may possibly be made sensible and acceptable.  Whether it will or not would have to wait until the actual EC gets released.  It would give everyone a big, "Wait and see" and maybe tamp down some of the ire in the forums.  A partial respite until the EC is finally cut loose.  You don't have to put out a wildfire completely.  A good outcome is to "control" it by tamping it down a bit.  It is a fire that is still burning but it isn't "wild" anymore.  See?

Just provide clarity on what the EC is and what it is not.  Some information on the stage of EC development ("we are just starting in with the VAs" or "we are half through with the VAs", etc).  Some information on the thinking and status of various bug fixes - and whether CERTAIN issues are actually even considered "bugs" (EMS in SP).  Stuff like that.  It doesn't spill beans that do harm.  Doesn't offer any spoilers.  That's what I'd like from Priestly.  That and the ocassional joke or smart comment.  Just something to show you are alive and "listening" (and that goes beyond "LOCKDOWN!")

Modifié par AdamJenson, 29 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[stonbw1]

I just question the logic of releasing a re-do some 6 months after the game has come out. I could be wrong, but I hope they aren't putting all this effort into a DLC for which a comparably few will actually care about.

[AdamJenson]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i dont get the whole point of the EC DLC..Isnt there a rule in writing where if you need to TELL your audience whats going on, its bad writing?

Yes.  Just as in joke telling.  If you have to go back and explain your joke and why it's funny, it wasn't funny and you failed at the joke.  You cannot recover it via explanation after-the-fact. 

It's like a physical law.

I like the wit in your reply but I don't think that's right for jokes, a lot of times people are too stupid to get the joke or isn't familiar with a reference.

The joke is still a fail if the audience doesn't get it.  Doesn't matter if it is because the joke refers to something obscure or requires a certain level of education (of the right type).  The audience is what determines if a joke is a bust or not, regardless of reason. 

For instance, for some reason Brits seem to find men dressed in women's clothing inherently funny.  Benny Hill, Monty Python, in real life too (I saw some Brit submariners at Diego Garcia one evening at a beach dance and, sure enough, one of their guys was wearing a wig and woman's dress ala Monty Python, and no, he wasn't a cross-dresser or gay as far as anyone could tell...it was just their humor).  That doesn't go over as particularly funny in the USA.  It is just puzzling or odd.  Audience (and culture) matters.

[sparkyo42]

stonbw1 wrote...

I just question the logic of releasing a re-do some 6 months after the game has come out. I could be wrong, but I hope they aren't putting all this effort into a DLC for which a comparably few will actually care about.

They're putting the effort into because I'm guessing they ran the numbers and felt without doing something then any new DLC sales would be weak. I wonder if they have the details about how much SP playing is going on and how many completions have occured.

Honestly I think they're going to end up stuck in the middle with the EC being to late and interest in SP DLC being low.

[Terror_K]

Tonymac wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

I agree with Chris here.  I'm sure a lot of us here do as well.  I know that I don't want to be rude to him or anyone else on these forums.

I guess that since I am so passionate about the series, and its ending, and that since Chris is a representative, that I take it out on him.  I never wanted to do that - and I don't want us to do it. 

Lets all step back and get a cup of coffee, come back, and play nice.  Come on guys, the coffee is on me!

I'm personally so damn sick of the lies upon lies, I wouldn't even be able to trust anything BioWare said now anyway. After so many broken promises and so many deceptions and a final part that was almost nothing they said it would be, how can I be expected to believe a word they say?

Again we get the "the team has been listening to what fans have asked for" line despite the fact that almost all evidence points to BioWare not listening at all and missing many of the key points about what was awful about the ending, as well as the many flaws the game overall has as well. Not to mention throwing around all this "artistic integrity" crap, despite the fact that ME3's ending isn't really even the same style as the rest of the series and goes against the grain of it so damn much.

[Bronze65]

Tonymac wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

I agree with Chris here.  I'm sure a lot of us here do as well.  I know that I don't want to be rude to him or anyone else on these forums.

I guess that since I am so passionate about the series, and its ending, and that since Chris is a representative, that I take it out on him.  I never wanted to do that - and I don't want us to do it. 

Lets all step back and get a cup of coffee, come back, and play nice.  Come on guys, the coffee is on me!

Hell, it gets under my skin, and I'm not even an employee. Still, both quotes are well said.

[stonbw1]

sparkyo42 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I just question the logic of releasing a re-do some 6 months after the game has come out. I could be wrong, but I hope they aren't putting all this effort into a DLC for which a comparably few will actually care about.

They're putting the effort into because I'm guessing they ran the numbers and felt without doing something then any new DLC sales would be weak. I wonder if they have the details about how much SP playing is going on and how many completions have occured.

Honestly I think they're going to end up stuck in the middle with the EC being to late and interest in SP DLC being low.

Possibly, but that brings in a new question about the logic of SP DLC of any kind.  I have the same questions for that considering the outcome of two-thirds of the playthroughs...(vague: avoiding spoilers obviously).

[sparkyo42]

stonbw1 wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I just question the logic of releasing a re-do some 6 months after the game has come out. I could be wrong, but I hope they aren't putting all this effort into a DLC for which a comparably few will actually care about.

They're putting the effort into because I'm guessing they ran the numbers and felt without doing something then any new DLC sales would be weak. I wonder if they have the details about how much SP playing is going on and how many completions have occured.

Honestly I think they're going to end up stuck in the middle with the EC being to late and interest in SP DLC being low.

Possibly, but that brings in a new question about the logic of SP DLC of any kind.  I have the same questions for that considering the outcome of two-thirds of the playthroughs...(vague: avoiding spoilers obviously).

That's been my feeling since the start. In ME 2 the major DLC like LOTSB or Arrival are meant to be played after the end to bridge into ME 3. For 3 I don't see the attraction, I don't understand why there's such demand for Retake. As I've said before at best a gun, and maybe the missing SP EMS numbersand that's about it. But a major group of DLC buyers are the hardcore fans. And which ever side you come down on the fact is the core fanbase has been damaged with the long term issues for Bioware.

I've alsosaid that the other teams for DA 3 and C&C can't be to happy about the popular support that the Ending debacle has burned through.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 29 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[barbara2012]

Esoretal wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Honestly, I think part of the reason so many gamers are becoming disappointed with games lately is there is way too much information about the games prior to release. Sure, it builds excitement for the games, but it also builds an almost impossible level of expectations.

One of the most important lessons I have learned in my life is a simple mathematical formula:
Happiness = Reality - Expectations

If you want to be happy with something, don't make your expectations higher than the reality or you end up with a negative number. This sounds odd to express emotions in mathematics, but I tell you it works 100% of the time.

Its far better to be pleasantly surprised when a game is truly great when you didn't expect much in the first place, than to feel betrayed and distraught when a game you believed would be stellar doesn't live up to the hype.

This goes for the EC as well.

The press didn't build up the expectations, the previous two games did. I was incredibly surprised and pleased with how the first two games went, so naturally I was expecting ME3 to top both of them. And 99% of the game completely blew me away.

The "Take Earth Back" press campaign did turn out to be completely false, though, which I don't understand in the least. It was a reasonable expectation, considering the entire goal of the series was to defeat the Reapers and defend the galaxy. The disappointment is with the complete faceplant of the series in the end, not with ME3 as a whole. It was actually surpassing even my highest expectations until that happened.

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100 % agreed!!

[AdamJenson]

barbara2012 wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Honestly, I think part of the reason so many gamers are becoming disappointed with games lately is there is way too much information about the games prior to release. Sure, it builds excitement for the games, but it also builds an almost impossible level of expectations.

One of the most important lessons I have learned in my life is a simple mathematical formula:
Happiness = Reality - Expectations

If you want to be happy with something, don't make your expectations higher than the reality or you end up with a negative number. This sounds odd to express emotions in mathematics, but I tell you it works 100% of the time.

Its far better to be pleasantly surprised when a game is truly great when you didn't expect much in the first place, than to feel betrayed and distraught when a game you believed would be stellar doesn't live up to the hype.

This goes for the EC as well.

The press didn't build up the expectations, the previous two games did. I was incredibly surprised and pleased with how the first two games went, so naturally I was expecting ME3 to top both of them. And 99% of the game completely blew me away.

The "Take Earth Back" press campaign did turn out to be completely false, though, which I don't understand in the least. It was a reasonable expectation, considering the entire goal of the series was to defeat the Reapers and defend the galaxy. The disappointment is with the complete faceplant of the series in the end, not with ME3 as a whole. It was actually surpassing even my highest expectations until that happened.

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100 % agreed!!

Especially the side quests!  Wish I had to eavesdrop on random strangers on the Citadel to get any sidequests in ME1 and 2. 

I HATED how in 1 and 2 you always knew where you were going in a side quest and knew when you completed it.  I much prefer finding some googaw or ringding thing on some space station while I was actually there doing something else entirely and then got to wander the citadel until I happened to stumble upon the right person to hand said trinket to.  I loved how this sometimes meant repeatedly visiting the various sections of the citadel because I kept NOT finding the magic person with the "dialog" reticle over their head. 

Good times.  Yeah.  Good times.

Oh, and I love how there was less dialog and chatting up in ME3 than in 2 or 1.  I think they should have just robo-chatted all the dialog instead of just 70% of it.  That way, I could go to the bathroom and take a leak while some chat was going on without me and I could then just get back to running and shooting.  

To expectations...and BEYOND!

Modifié par AdamJenson, 29 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[RukiaKuchki]

Tonymac wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

I agree with Chris here.  I'm sure a lot of us here do as well.  I know that I don't want to be rude to him or anyone else on these forums.

I guess that since I am so passionate about the series, and its ending, and that since Chris is a representative, that I take it out on him.  I never wanted to do that - and I don't want us to do it. 

Lets all step back and get a cup of coffee, come back, and play nice.  Come on guys, the coffee is on me!

Nice gesture, but I think a few people here need to lay off the coffee for a while. Maybe have a nice refreshing mint tea instead?

[AdamJenson]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok. To those that were offended or similar to what I said, I am sorry. I genuinely believe that when communicating BOTH parties should be polite, respect each other, play nice, etc. I should not abuse my power or position at BioWare and should not come off making light of genuine concerns. However, people should also be polite if they want open discussion with us here at BioWare. I have been (perhaps failry) accused of some degree of shorttemperedness here. When you spend your day reading the vast amounts of negativity here, it does tend to wear one down. I let this example get under my skin. I shouldn't have.

Yes, I understand the arguement that we should openly communicate with people, especially in times where there is concern. However, when daily we have to close or remove threads threatening violence against staff, calling for people to be fired, how our company is failing and similar it has gone beyond a point where Devs and even myself are open to a lot of open communcation. That does not mean we are not reading and listening to what is being said and suggested, but it hopefully will explain a bit as to why communication is lower now than usual.

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

I agree with Chris here.  I'm sure a lot of us here do as well.  I know that I don't want to be rude to him or anyone else on these forums.

I guess that since I am so passionate about the series, and its ending, and that since Chris is a representative, that I take it out on him.  I never wanted to do that - and I don't want us to do it. 

Lets all step back and get a cup of coffee, come back, and play nice.  Come on guys, the coffee is on me!

Nice gesture, but I think a few people here need to lay off the coffee for a while. Maybe have a nice refreshing mint tea instead?

Nah...just don't go offering Folger's.  I DON'T CARE THAT IT IS "MOUNTAIN GROWN".  It's not good coffee damnit!  

[XqctaX]

Chris Priestly wrote...

*cut*

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

can you atleast tell us the names of the people working on the EC?
becouse to be very honest, if mac and casey are involved i will be worried.

or if you dont want to talk about it.
please for the love of all good in this world  make sure they peer review EVERYTHING.. 

im not trying to me mean. but in all honestly we know the ending wasnt peer reviewed.
becouse mac and casey thought they could do it by themself. and we all know how that worked out.

so the thought of them working on this, honestly scares me.

[Yakko77]

AdamJenson wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Unfortunately. I have no faith in Bioware after DA2, TOR, and now ME3.

Am I really alone in thinking DA2 was pretty alright?

I'll admit to liking DA2.

OK, I think we've got an accurate count now.  Let's see...one...two...five.  There are five of you.  

So YOU are the ones.

Heh, I liked DA2 as well and I do enjoy TOR but with so few players on already it's getting harder and harder to justify playing with my lvl 50 toon since so many missions where remotely decent gear is attainable requires at least 4 people.  Even with a guild it's hard to get a group going a lot of times.  ME3 was epic... then that ending somehow managed to ruin one of the most epic games series ever which is sort of impressive in a twisted way of thinking.

I hope EC manages to take some of the sting out of that circular logic and nonsensical ending but short of a rewrite, my hopes for anything better than some of the sting being taken away is about the best I expect which is sad because I freakin' loved this game series and somehow, like some sort of epic disaster, the ending crushed my previous high praise and support for this game.  I wish it wasn't so but it is.  This amount of time after ME1 and 2 released, I was hip deep in my 5th or 6th playthrough about now.  I've played ME3 a few times and all with one character and it has sat unplayed for about a month and a half.  I haven't even played MP which was fun I will admit.  I guess I just find myself wondering what group think or 'yes man' syndrome was going on in the dev team where they looked at the end and said, "Yeah, this is a good idea.  Let's go with this."

As for a EC announcement at E3, if it happens, great.  If not, so be it, it'll come later.  Regardless, I look forward to its arrival but it has a LOT to make up for and based on the limited info given about it, I'm not sure it's up to the task.  I hope it is.  I wish it to be.  I WANT to love this game again.  But...

[AdamJenson]

XqctaX wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

*cut*

Also, the Extended Cut is being worked on. The team has been listening to what fans have asked for and are using suggestions to help create it. It is too soon to talk about it yet. I have seen some early work (no I will not give details) and what is being done is very good. When the product is ready to be discussed (as decided by the team making it), then there will be details, release dates, etc.

can you atleast tell us the names of the people working on the EC?
becouse to be very honest, if mac and casey are involved i will be worried.

or if you dont want to talk about it.
please for the love of all good in this world  make sure they peer review EVERYTHING.. 

im not trying to me mean. but in all honestly we know the ending wasnt peer reviewed.
becouse mac and casey thought they could do it by themself. and we all know how that worked out.

so the thought of them working on this, honestly scares me.

Actually some good questions...

Who is involved in the writing?  Was it vetted/shared amongst the developers for peer review?  Roughly speaking, how much time with the EC likely equate to?  Two minutes?  Five minutes?  Just a rough estimate will do (and tell us a fair amount without divulging details).  Is Bioware "holding the line" that the EC will merely be dialog in cutscene or will it be more than mere cutscene?  No details, just cutscene only or cutscene and more? 

Speculations from everyone would ensue if you answer these basic, non-spoiler questions.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Chris Priestly wrote...

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

And for the record i am not "attacking" a Bioware employee, i am simplying voicing my upset and disatisfaction about the way we are spoken to sometimes.

Yet when I do it....

You're a representative of Bioware. In fact, you are one of THE faces of the company for the people here. In other words: you're not speaking for yourself, and, therefore, you cannot say all you wish. This includes any sort of grievances you may have towards us. Because, since you are representative of the company, everything you say is taken as being said by the company. You voicing your grievances towards us = the company not appreciating their customers.

So, yes, it's not fair. But that is the job you signed up for. 

[Tonymac]

I get you, Terror_K. I know where you are coming form. The ending sucked - the whole thing was a sham and a scam to get our money. They do not deserve our money - at all. Like anything else in life - if you aren't going to do it right - then don't do it at all. They botched the ending, ruined it with this 'artistic vision' and made a mockery of their own series. Their final farewell to us was hog tying Shepard while "Duelling Banjos" blasted on the speakers. They raped Shepard, the killed him, and gave his woman away to his best friend.

The ending was definately Bioware flipping us off and and doing the meatspin. No doubt about it. They are rude, violent, and utterly unapologetic in their treatment of Shepard. You know you can't have a game be too 'gamey', so they tried something else. They botched it. Trust me, even they know it sucked. How could they not? Hmmmm, it looks like dogcrap! *Sniff* It sure smells like dogcrap! *Slurps* Damn man - it tastes like dogcrap too! I sure am glad I didn't step in it! They know its dog crap man.

Doing it right would cost money - a lot of money. They don't want to spend money - they already have your money. To spend more reduces profits. So rather than do it right, they threw together this dogcrap, and advertised it like it was sugar free chocolate pudding! We bought it, hook, line, and sinker. Shame on us, right? Well, as a consolation prize, we get a DLC where they explain the ending to us - pretty much just to add insult to injury. They want to treat us like we are too stupid to figure out the RGB thing. Its a token, and you know it. To do it right would cost too much. They were too lazy to do it the first time, so what makes you think they will do it right this time? They have already stated that they are not changing anything - we merely get an explanation.

Or, are they? They have already hired voice actors back to do more work. One does not expend capitol without a plan, even if you are the type to lie and make an ending as bad as ME3. They have a plan, then. If it were the simple explanation for "Everything blew up, it killed every one, the end" then they would be done by now - even as slowly as they move in these issues.

I think that maybe they are up to something. Perhaps something good where if a certain score is reached then we bypass the starchild thingy or tell it off and kill it. Thats my only reason for being here - for sticking around at all. Because without the ME3, even MP is too much of a reminder of the terdsauce that is ME3.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, well, not very much at all. I was hyped for this game once - I mean really stoked. I've got Normandy models, prints, t-shirts, polos...... its all garbage. Anything and everything that reminds you of how great this game really was is pretty much an insult now. Their 'artistic integrity' costs them fans. They know it, but don't care, because they wanted in on the MP shooter markets. It all boils down to the almighty dollar. When fans are no longer needed, we are tossed aside like so much refuse. Pretty much treated like Shepard.

But while they do that to me and Shep (who is me in my games), I should not do so to them. I will sit back some and watch what they do. I will give a chance for them to get it right. If they hose it - then I am done with them - forever. You deal with it however you like to, but remember to be civil about it. Thats really all Chris is asking for. We can be civil to eachother, and to them - even if they are the great deceiver known as Bioware.

Remember that we have not played our final hand yet - in this great card game. If they don't fix it, then leave. Tell every single person you meet, everyone you know, every soul you contact in the internet about them and their betrayal. Watch their scores and approvals drop - watch them fail and dissolve, in due time. If they want to tango, well, two can play this. Take that fire you have over this betrayal and put it to good use. But don't lose yourself in it, or your demeanor. Keep frosty!

[Daniel_N7]

@Tonymac They know that the success of future SP DLC, in sales, is hanging in the balance of a successful EC. The people who rush to buy DLC, who want extended gameplay, are the hardcore fans, and BioWare probably has the statistics to back it up. What other reason could there be for them to put the EC on top of the SP DLC list?

So, yeah, I'll hold on to a bit of wishful thinking too. Maybe they will make the extra effort to make a strong and surprising EC DLC. It's in their hands, they have the power to do it. And they sure need some good publicity right now.

[Hillbillyhat]

I'm still annoyed by the ending, but I've barely been on here enough to really get pissed off. The main reason why I kind of stopped caring to post on here was due to both the entire forum pissing me off more often than not and I've also been busy enjoying ME3 and playing other games a lot.

I will admit to being cautious about the EC. It could go many different ways depending on how it is done. Either way people will be pissed off and those who are already extremely pissed at the endings and the game entirely won't have their minds changed period.

Bioware could make 3 new games that are the best RPGs ever created and people will still point towards ME3, DA2 or even TOR as reasons why Bioware can never be trusted

This EC could definitely help, but in the end most people who are complaining on here will still be complaining anyway. Criticizing the game isn't bad, but when its just a bunch of yelling and crying instead of something civilized then it won't work. Hell I'm not a developer and I stopped giving a **** about community for a bit.