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[DragonLordOldShool]

.458 wrote...

Zaidra wrote...
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Well with afk players I would understand, but that would get out of hand. Booting a player just because they're bad isn't really fair, and there's no way to limit that. I mean wouldn't you be pissed if you spent half an hour playing on gold and got booted on wave eleven or something, losing all of your consumables, credits, and experience because somebody just didn't like you in general?
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This is why I keep saying "democratic republic, not tyranny by majority/pure democracy". There have to be enforced constraints, or this game will very very quickly become crap for anyone but those on the "in list". For example, not being able to vote to boot someone with contributions to damage done, or especially something like rescues. Things which prove the attempt to help. Constraints could change between bronze and gold, e.g., there could be no stopping someone from playing bronze based on level or weaponry, but gold could enforce in public games things like maybe level 12 minimum, or certain weaponry, or some modification where lower level works if weaponry is better. One could also do the reverse, e.g., the system could auto vote to boot someone based on lack of participation, and then players could vote yes or no to go along with it. It would work both ways. But pure vote? That's a disease in a game where people can treat each other like crap because it is over the internet, and they don't have to know each other...it happens, and should NOT.

I aprove your point of
view…

but honestly don’t get
this buzz about auto-bot from bad players, in the match lobby you can kick a
player that the rest of the team don’t like…so whats the prob?

You play one match and
have a player that sucks and or don’t care about the full extraction credits.
Just wait and in the lobby vote for kick him out of the game… if everyone votes,
he/she is out. I find no big deal in this :/

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[DragonLordOldShool]

.458 wrote...

DragonLordOldShool wrote...
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However it was like: play one match, next match
connection down in mid action L Did notice one thing ; in a match just before
my connection went down I saw another player vanish/leave, of course I don’t know
if it was because he lost the connection first or (this did came to mind later)
the match went down because he chose to leave the game. If that’s the case then
if in a match someone leaving its causing the crash of the connection to the
server, then guys… you better find some hard players that don’t leave a match
and or don’t have some lousy internet connection….otherwise when he/she leaves
it will cut the connection for everyone :/
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It is a software issue, good connection will not matter. When it says someone has left, this is rarely the truth...what it is really saying is that the software was inadequate, and a disconnect occured because of it. When the hosting player is lost (whether the host leaves on purpose or because of software failure or real network issues), a new host has to be found. About the only possible way to get around many of those failures is to have everyone on the same local network which is tuned for large UDP packets.

well yhea... I know that, but it was not the case because I was hosting the game... and I did not leave :/

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[DragonLordOldShool]

beaverskenneth wrote...

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

beaverskenneth wrote...

Agent Who wrote...

What complete and utter incompetence, releasing a patch that’s supposed to fix bugs and the bugs aren’t fixed.

TEST YOUR PATCHES FFS – somebody needs fired over this PLEASE – Hire people that can actually do their JOBS!

The people assigned the task of fixing these glitches should be ASHAMED.

It makes your entire company look terrible, and what’s worst is these glitches after the patch have not been quickly corrected. Any other company that made this HUGE of a mistake at least would have had the coders working on it ASAP and a new patch released hours after to ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO, AND MAKE IT RIGHT!!

I think you should just calm down and recognize that they are working on things. In case you haven't noticed, every video game has multiple bugs or issues. Stop bashing the employees at BioWare and be more civil, would you? It's people like you who posted destructive criticism to BioWare over the ending of it. Grow up. 

Don't bother, she/he is just a barrater.

He/she is right to be annoyed. If Bioware chose to post a list of things that they claim have been fixed then there should have been testing to confirm the issues had actually been resolved. This is a fundamental part of bug fixing.

If they are "working on things" as you say then the bug fixes which have not yet been corrected should not be included in the list of issues they claim to have resolved in the 1.03 patch. I wouldn't go so far as to say people should be fired, but obviously the standards of testing (if indeed there were any) have been exceptionally low in this case. 

First, I didn't say they are "working on things."

Second, she/he has not the least right to complain in such a manner.
You think that it is ok to insult Bioware employees?

Let me make this easy for you to understand.

1.) "...and recognize that they are working on things."

2.) Every person that has paid money for a product has the right to complain if the product is faulty. When a company makes claims to have remedied those problems and they turn out to be false, the consumer again has a right to complain - even more so now as they have been lied to.

3.) Try reading his post again. He doesn't make any insults to Bioware employees. Do you really think the forums new rules of conduct would still allow Zaidra to be able to post here if he truly had insulted Bioware employees?

Um, maybe YOU shold re-read his post. Where he states that they should hire people who can actually do their jobs, it's an insult to the current employees. Also, since he didn't specify WHICH employees need to be replaced, it is technically an insult to every single BioWare employee. If you thought my reply was bad before, how about now? (and no I am not saying you did say that.)  Here's my point: Every game isn't going to be perfect upon release. If BioWare were to release a perfect game, I'd be impressed. No company has ever done that. Know why? Because even with the testers pre-release, it's just not possible to find every single bug or glitch in a game without taking probably several years to release it. I seriously doubt anyone here would have wanted to wait another five years for this game to come out. I'm not saying that is for sure how long it would take, but it is  GIVEN that it would take a lot longer. 

Aproved... good point, but I do understand that players are a "bit" angry, most of these players supported the Mass Effect saga ($$$) for the last years, and then they did not get the ending that it was "promissed" (if you can call it that), then you had a MP with some probs (but it worked), a patch came out and...upssss, there goes the connection to the MP server(s). Can you blame the fans/players. May not agree with some views...but I do get were they come from :/

anyway...I support the guys in bioware...with hope that they make a the changes that the fan base his hoping they make 

[DragonLordOldShool]

Ps: this post are geting wayyyyy to big...lolo

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[.458]

DragonLordOldShool wrote...
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I aprove your point of
view…

but honestly don’t get
this buzz about auto-bot from bad players, in the match lobby you can kick a
player that the rest of the team don’t like…so whats the prob?

Auto-boot right now does not ask the other players if they think it is ok. It times them out, then does it. Some people have rightly argued that the other players should at least in part judge this, and allow a player to stay if they find the player is right for the team. This is in-game only. The reverse is also possible, that if people want to get rid of someone, there should be some automatic checks to say no, this player is trying. Check your personal reasons in the lobby.

In the lobby of public games...not private...there have been complaints about seeing level 1 players with level 1 weapons show up. Perhaps THAT bad of a match should be auto-banned from a public gold. Perhaps someone with reasonable weaponry should be allowed into the lobby even if they have a low level. What happens after they are in can be just as it is now, with voting. Maybe someone wants limits on this too, I don't know. But in-game pure voting is tyranny and prejudice and spiteful behavior waiting to happen.

You play one match and
have a player that sucks and or don’t care about the full extraction credits.
Just wait and in the lobby vote for kick him out of the game… if everyone votes,
he/she is out. I find no big deal in this :/
...

In this case, I was just saying that if we were to put a timer on auto-booting in the lobby, perhaps the boot should give extra time like 30 seconds to someone returning, as opposed to just joining. I'm not claiming this would be good, to auto-boot in the lobby based on time, it was just an example of how automatic safeties and constraints could be different for different circumstances, e.g., just arriving versus returning from a mission.

I am a big proponent of adding a new "Quick Match", where you can only join if level 20. It could have bronze, silver, and gold just like current matches. There would be no experience to overwhelm the trash can with, only money. Every wave would have a mission (which is where the money comes from...bet your mom told you it was the money stork). I mention this in part because it is another example of constraints, and people have complained about the level of player showing up in silvers or golds...well here would be a new stomping ground in which everyone was a 20. It would partially even this out. It would definitely be more fun than earning experience for the trash can.

[Tronar]

DragonLordOldShool wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Meh, no story fixes, no EMS fix and no text chat.

god point... I would also like to see text chat in the waiting menu of the gaiming. Its nice to talk about what was the best actions in the last round :7

Why don't you get a headset for your Controller and use the built-in Xbox Live chat?
Or a you playing from a PC? I have no experience, if you can use a Microphone on a PC to chat with other players...

Tronar

[Tronar]

.458 wrote...

Zaidra wrote...
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Well with afk players I would understand, but that would get out of hand. Booting a player just because they're bad isn't really fair, and there's no way to limit that. I mean wouldn't you be pissed if you spent half an hour playing on gold and got booted on wave eleven or something, losing all of your consumables, credits, and experience because somebody just didn't like you in general?
...

This is why I keep saying "democratic republic, not tyranny by majority/pure democracy". There have to be enforced constraints, or this game will very very quickly become crap for anyone but those on the "in list". For example, not being able to vote to boot someone with contributions to damage done, or especially something like rescues. Things which prove the attempt to help. Constraints could change between bronze and gold, e.g., there could be no stopping someone from playing bronze based on level or weaponry, but gold could enforce in public games things like maybe level 12 minimum, or certain weaponry, or some modification where lower level works if weaponry is better. One could also do the reverse, e.g., the system could auto vote to boot someone based on lack of participation, and then players could vote yes or no to go along with it. It would work both ways. But pure vote? That's a disease in a game where people can treat each other like crap because it is over the internet, and they don't have to know each other...it happens, and should NOT.

Sorry, but a Level 12 minimum for Gold would be something I'd strongly oppose!

With the right team, you can play for example a Level 1 Adept or a Level 1 Infiltrator on Gold without any bigger problems. You can still contribute (even a Level 1 Warp can help setting up biotic detonations) and if you play a little more defensively you won't die more often just because of the lower Health/Shields. And it is quite rewarding to get the character leveled up to Level 9 or even 10 after playing through only one Gold Game.

Just because people are used to rely totally on their own because most people don't know how to teamplay shouldn't be a reason to define any minimum requirements for Levels or Weapons.

Tronar

[.458]

Tronar wrote...
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Or a you playing from a PC? I have no experience, if you can use a Microphone on a PC to chat with other players...

Tronar

Chat works fine from PC, but I suppose more people do not have a headset or microphone for those. Also, I suspect it is easier to set up with XBox or PS3. But...the audio abilities in-game are rather bad, not the greatest way to talk.

[.458]

Tronar wrote...
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Sorry, but a Level 12 minimum for Gold would be something I'd strongly oppose!

With the right team, you can play for example a Level 1 Adept or a Level 1 Infiltrator on Gold without any bigger problems. You can still contribute (even a Level 1 Warp can help setting up biotic detonations) and if you play a little more defensively you won't die more often just because of the lower Health/Shields. And it is quite rewarding to get the character leveled up to Level 9 or even 10 after playing through only one Gold Game.

Just because people are used to rely totally on their own because most people don't know how to teamplay shouldn't be a reason to define any minimum requirements for Levels or Weapons.

Tronar

Level 12 is just an example. The fact that it matters to you means it is a good idea to have input. I also said you could do things like allow lower level if equipment is better. Perhaps character class might matter, I don't know. The point being that a lot of people will just automatically ban without thinking. Or, people who have never played multiplayer might want to start their level 1 (N7 1) with default weapons and no buffs in a gold...which can be annoying. Constraints can work both ways, both to limit people OR to give them freedom DESPITE people. How it would be "tuned" nobody has talked about, but right now you time out after 2 minutes, unless you find [an easy] way to circumvent it. In the future would it be so easy to circumvent? Would the other players get input? Would the other players be the ONLY input? Are there adjustments that could make SOMETHING better than what we have now, or better than NOTHING?

Modifié par .458, 06 juin 2012 - 10:12 .

[DragonLordOldShool]

.458 wrote...

DragonLordOldShool wrote...
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I aprove your point of
view…

but honestly don’t get
this buzz about auto-bot from bad players, in the match lobby you can kick a
player that the rest of the team don’t like…so whats the prob?

Auto-boot right now does not ask the other players if they think it is ok. It times them out, then does it. Some people have rightly argued that the other players should at least in part judge this, and allow a player to stay if they find the player is right for the team. This is in-game only. The reverse is also possible, that if people want to get rid of someone, there should be some automatic checks to say no, this player is trying. Check your personal reasons in the lobby.

In the lobby of public games...not private...there have been complaints about seeing level 1 players with level 1 weapons show up. Perhaps THAT bad of a match should be auto-banned from a public gold. Perhaps someone with reasonable weaponry should be allowed into the lobby even if they have a low level. What happens after they are in can be just as it is now, with voting. Maybe someone wants limits on this too, I don't know. But in-game pure voting is tyranny and prejudice and spiteful behavior waiting to happen.

You play one match and
have a player that sucks and or don’t care about the full extraction credits.
Just wait and in the lobby vote for kick him out of the game… if everyone votes,
he/she is out. I find no big deal in this :/
...

In this case, I was just saying that if we were to put a timer on auto-booting in the lobby, perhaps the boot should give extra time like 30 seconds to someone returning, as opposed to just joining. I'm not claiming this would be good, to auto-boot in the lobby based on time, it was just an example of how automatic safeties and constraints could be different for different circumstances, e.g., just arriving versus returning from a mission.

I am a big proponent of adding a new "Quick Match", where you can only join if level 20. It could have bronze, silver, and gold just like current matches. There would be no experience to overwhelm the trash can with, only money. Every wave would have a mission (which is where the money comes from...bet your mom told you it was the money stork). I mention this in part because it is another example of constraints, and people have complained about the level of player showing up in silvers or golds...well here would be a new stomping ground in which everyone was a 20. It would partially even this out. It would definitely be more fun than earning experience for the trash can.

ok..ok...ok.... Got it and supported.

Guess all of those probs could be solved with a menu of personalization of the matchs, but for what I can see they are improving the MP with a bunch of stuff that they did not have time to insert on the game release. Thats probably one of things still in the "forge". I hope :7

Beyond that, I would love to get possibility to nail the pilot of a Atlas and get into the cockpit to take out a 
Banshee[/i] face to face, and or drop from the sky from a kodiak in to a bunch of badies....air drop...krongan Banzai way.

"For Tuchankaaaaaaaaa"...lolo:devil:

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[JonasPeti]

I hate bugs and I love fixes!
Keep up the good work!

[DragonLordOldShool]

Tronar wrote...

DragonLordOldShool wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Meh, no story fixes, no EMS fix and no text chat.

god point... I would also like to see text chat in the waiting menu of the gaiming. Its nice to talk about what was the best actions in the last round :7

Why don't you get a headset for your Controller and use the built-in Xbox Live chat?
Or a you playing from a PC? I have no experience, if you can use a Microphone on a PC to chat with other players...

Tronar

My connection goes to hell (lagy) if I try to use voice-chat over the internet, the ISP´s in my coutry try to block those services to prevent losing profits on the phone calls. No prob with text chat... old but reliable 

PC player:alien:

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[Fenrisfil]

Are any of the fixes actually working since the server maintenance? ULM maybe?

On a side note as it was discussed, I think BW need to decide if they want people constantly leveling up or not. If they do they need better incentives to promote (I suggest a free "promotion pack" awarded on doing so with an ultra rare/chance of N7), if they don't then perhaps a more money orientated design would be a better idea. Also get rid of those duplicate XP only character cards in packs!

[DragonLordOldShool]

Fenrisfil wrote...

Are any of the fixes actually working since the server maintenance? ULM maybe?

Actually ....yes they are. I was with no connection to the server 3 days ago, and update the game, and finally got the MP up and running again. The loading time is still a bit slow, but at least now I can get a connection to the server. It seams to me that they are solving the probs of the patch 1.3 "on the fly". But not teling anyone about it....lolo

just guessing here... this is more speculation then fact from my part:wizard:

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[DragonLordOldShool]

Zaidra wrote...

Has anybody noticed that after the patch, geth rocket troopers can shoot rockets through the corner of the farming room on firebase white?

Wooooo.....rockets with dimensional phase-shifting technology; that would come in handy againts the reaper fleets  lolo



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phase-shifting- technology



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[DragonLordOldShool]

bubbaboyd wrote...

So your saying it's all good to sell half done products? Would you buy a car with a 6 cylinder engine but only 4 or 5 of those cylinders worked at any one time?Why is it the video game industry seems ok with selling half-done or faulty products?

Sorry...but bad analogy: software versus hardware?!?!?... camonnnn. You have a point, but there is no way you can compare those 2 :7


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[lord of dahorde]

There is still that issue in which vanguards float in the are and are invincible.
This glitch occurs when a vanguard uses biotic charge and dies, i think.
It has happened to me multiple times.

[.458]

DragonLordOldShool wrote...

bubbaboyd wrote...

So your saying it's all good to sell half done products? Would you buy a car with a 6 cylinder engine but only 4 or 5 of those cylinders worked at any one time?Why is it the video game industry seems ok with selling half-done or faulty products?

Sorry...but bad analogy: software versus hardware?!?!?... camonnnn. You have a point, but there is no way you can compare those 2 :7
...

Legally and otherwise, yes, they are comparable. I've been writing software a long time, this level of quality would be unacceptable in quite a few places. Not even "important" ones. The important ones are fun, like where MS products are not allowed in aircraft control products... [new meaning to "blue screen of death"]

The mistakes being made are ones expected in first year courses.

Modifié par .458, 06 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[DragonLordOldShool]

.458 wrote...

DragonLordOldShool wrote...

bubbaboyd wrote...

So your saying it's all good to sell half done products? Would you buy a car with a 6 cylinder engine but only 4 or 5 of those cylinders worked at any one time?Why is it the video game industry seems ok with selling half-done or faulty products?

Sorry...but bad analogy: software versus hardware?!?!?... camonnnn. You have a point, but there is no way you can compare those 2 :7
...

Legally and otherwise, yes, they are comparable. I've been writing software a long time, this level of quality would be unacceptable in quite a few places. Not even "important" ones. The important ones are fun, like where MS products are not allowed in aircraft control products... [new meaning to "blue screen of death"]

The mistakes being made are ones expected in first year courses.

I did said that agreed that that the product had some stuff that needs to be fixed, just did not agreed the anolagy between a fisical object and a software.

About the professional software, I had a teacher that one time told me that if any company had to build a pice of software that would do on a programing level all the things that a AAA game do these days, that program, would crash every hour on the hour for the first year:blink:..... lololo

Don't know if that was true (I am not a programer) or if he was just joking:unsure: But consedering that I did work (has a user) with a bunch of professional softwares that were quit common in the market and they still chrashed every week:? what that teacher said seemed quite believable:ph34r:


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[Vasirr]

Sweet.

[.458]

DragonLordOldShool wrote...
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About the professional software, I had a teacher that one time told me that if any company had to build a pice of software that would do on a programing level all the things that a AAA game do these days, that program, would crash every hour on the hour for the first year:blink:..... lololo

Don't know if that was true (I am not a programer) or if he was just joking:unsure: But consedering that I did work (has a user) with a bunch of professional softwares that were quit common in the market and they still chrashed every week:? what that teacher said seemed quite believable:ph34r:

...

Game programming is the most comprehensive program anyone can build. Logic has to be correct, and it also has to perform well. It covers audio, video, physics, login type things, database, networking, and all kinds of things at a level not reached in anything else (other than maybe a real fighter simulator for the military or DoE research). The people doing this are not casual programmers.

But...while I see many pieces of genius in this game, the mistakes I see are astonishing. The reason why many companies DO have the predictable crashing (your teacher was not exaggerating) tends (by far) to do with management's ideas of profit and contracts. Contracts which often do not involve the lowest working programmers, and ones in which those upper level programmers who are involved are pressured to do it or lose the contract. There is some validity in this, but it often ends up that the compromises and cut corners are determined against the wishes of the programmer. I guarantee the guy with the idea of cutting corners to improve profit would change his tune if we were talking about the flight control system of the jet he flies in daily.

Modifié par .458, 07 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[Dryball]

If I cared alot about MP this patch is great... I don't so I read it as...
"MP blah blah blah
MP blah blah blah
MP blah blah blah...etc."

Junk patch for me...

[DragonLordOldShool]

.458 wrote...

DragonLordOldShool wrote...
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About the professional software, I had a teacher that one time told me that if any company had to build a pice of software that would do on a programing level all the things that a AAA game do these days, that program, would crash every hour on the hour for the first year:blink:..... lololo

Don't know if that was true (I am not a programer) or if he was just joking:unsure: But consedering that I did work (has a user) with a bunch of professional softwares that were quit common in the market and they still chrashed every week:? what that teacher said seemed quite believable:ph34r:

...

Game programming is the most comprehensive program anyone can build. Logic has to be correct, and it also has to perform well. It covers audio, video, physics, login type things, database, networking, and all kinds of things at a level not reached in anything else (other than maybe a real fighter simulator for the military or DoE research). The people doing this are not casual programmers.

But...while I see many pieces of genius in this game, the mistakes I see are astonishing. The reason why many companies DO have the predictable crashing (your teacher was not exaggerating) tends (by far) to do with management's ideas of profit and contracts. Contracts which often do not involve the lowest working programmers, and ones in which those upper level programmers who are involved are pressured to do it or lose the contract. There is some validity in this, but it often ends up that the compromises and cut corners are determined against the wishes of the programmer. I guarantee the guy with the idea of cutting corners to improve profit would change his tune if we were talking about the flight control system of the jet he flies in daily.

lololo...Yheaaaa... he probably would think twice...about pressuring the programers...lolo:sick:

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