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[yaselvuz]

 My warden joined morrigan through the eluvian but in the quest King Alistair teagan tells alistair that the warden is in Denerim. Is this a bug?

[robertthebard]

No.

[SiIencE]

How is this a 'No.' ? My Warden also went through the portal in WH, seeing Act3 is 6? years after the blight (i don't know if Awakening took 6 years or something) But also 'the Hero of Ferelden' is missing in the end. Even if you marry Alistair/stay in court/become chancellor or whatever you still missing at the end of DA2 it makes absolutely no different whatsoever.. I even believe that if you sacrificed your warden to kill the archdemon they still say 'the warden will be in Denerim next week' (Could have be a save game import error).

In my last DA2 imports i checked all flags with the debugger and it said the warden went into the mirror.

[robertthebard]

How long after Origins does Witchhunt take place?

[whykikyouwhy]

robertthebard wrote...

How long after Origins does Witchhunt take place?

From the original DLC description, as posted on the wiki:

"Nearly two and a half years have passed since the Archdemon's death, and word has reached the Wardens that Morrigan has returned to Ferelden."

So it's possible that a Warden that went into the Eluvian may have reemerged from mirror-land to visit with the King in Act 3 of DA2. I guess it all depends on where/what mirror-land is, and what transpired there. That remains a mystery.

[ImperialHeir]

Well, my warden definitely didn't spend all the time in the Eluvian raising his son. He had to bring him back to tell Anora they had an heir.

I assume somthing similar came up for my non-cousland characters who went with Morrigan.

Modifié par ImperialHeir, 29 mai 2012 - 12:58 .

[robertthebard]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

How long after Origins does Witchhunt take place?

From the original DLC description, as posted on the wiki:

"Nearly two and a half years have passed since the Archdemon's death, and word has reached the Wardens that Morrigan has returned to Ferelden."

So it's possible that a Warden that went into the Eluvian may have reemerged from mirror-land to visit with the King in Act 3 of DA2. I guess it all depends on where/what mirror-land is, and what transpired there. That remains a mystery.

Add to that the fact that other Wardens didn't, and figure in that BioWare can't possibly account for all possible endings, and it's not a bug, just their version of Canon, whatever that may turn out to be.  I do, however, have a long shot theory about where the Eluvian goes, based purely on what Tamlen sees when it's found in the Dalish origin story:  It actually goes to the Black City.

[whykikyouwhy]

robertthebard wrote...

Add to that the fact that other Wardens didn't, and figure in that BioWare can't possibly account for all possible endings, and it's not a bug, just their version of Canon, whatever that may turn out to be.  I do, however, have a long shot theory about where the Eluvian goes, based purely on what Tamlen sees when it's found in the Dalish origin story:  It actually goes to the Black City.

I didn't do a Dalish elf run through DA:O, but didn't Morrigan use shards of Tamlen's Eluvian (for lack of a better name for it) to find the one seen as the end of Witch Hunt? The two mirrors share the same structure/model, don't they? And what if...in the most speculative of speculative what-ifs...one Eluvian allowed a person to access the Black City, while the other allowed a person access to the Golden City? *cue dramatic music here* Maybe there are actually two separate cities/planes, or maybe the Eluvians can transcend space and time. Or maybe this is just a crazy theory. 

[Karlone123]

I theorised the Warden told Alistair he/she would be gone for quite a while to investigate "Witch Hunt" and would return at a precise date but never did return to Denerim. My Warden could never walk through the Eluvian because he wasn't able to leave his dog and his brother Fergus Cousland and the world that was getting back on it's feet.

[Welsh Inferno]

Its not a bug. Its just another thing the devs just "forgot" to account for.

[nightscrawl]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its not a bug. Its just another thing the devs just "forgot" to account for.

There are no plot flags imported from Golems of Amgarrak or Witch Hunt. The game is not disregarding whatever choice you made, there is nothing to tell it what choice you made. Looking at the larger picture, perhaps it might have been better for them to not have had Teagan say that line at all to account for this possibility.

For DA2 there are no plot flags, however I do suggest that you keep your DAO > DAA > GoA > WH > DA2 save for importing into DA3, since you don't know what will be accounted for in the next game.

[Windninja47]

I read on the wiki that there are not plot flags in Witch Hunt so the game doesn't take into account what happened in it.

[robertthebard]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Add to that the fact that other Wardens didn't, and figure in that BioWare can't possibly account for all possible endings, and it's not a bug, just their version of Canon, whatever that may turn out to be.  I do, however, have a long shot theory about where the Eluvian goes, based purely on what Tamlen sees when it's found in the Dalish origin story:  It actually goes to the Black City.

I didn't do a Dalish elf run through DA:O, but didn't Morrigan use shards of Tamlen's Eluvian (for lack of a better name for it) to find the one seen as the end of Witch Hunt? The two mirrors share the same structure/model, don't they? And what if...in the most speculative of speculative what-ifs...one Eluvian allowed a person to access the Black City, while the other allowed a person access to the Golden City? *cue dramatic music here* Maybe there are actually two separate cities/planes, or maybe the Eluvians can transcend space and time. Or maybe this is just a crazy theory. 

I'm old and forgetful, and haven't run Witch Hunt since I installed Win 7, so I don't remember.  I can answer with a resounding maybe though regarding the shard.  As for going to the Golden City, I can say that if, and after Legacy it's not as resounding an if as it might have been before, the hubris of man really did corrupt it, then Morrigan would be no better than the Tevinter mages, and it would be corrupted anyway.

[Evil_Jashinist]

Well... the Black/Golden City DOES seem to be a sensible place to bring a baby with the soul of an Old God.... >>

I am seriously dying to know where the heck that portal actually goes! She said a place "beyond the fade"... Oe Hopefully I'll have awnsers in DA3.

[TEWR]

Considering there are no plot flags for GoA or WH to be accounted for in DAII -- which isn't the same as saying the choices will never be accounted for. Just that DAII simply... didn't. -- I've always labored under the assumption that it was just Teagan saying something like that as a clever political maneuver.

Think about it. What would happen if the Hero of Ferelden -- who is a morale boost to the people of Ferelden, a man that defied the idea of Warden neutrality both during and outside of the Blight, and a decent to great commander of forces -- was known to have vanished?

It would probably demoralize troops and give half of Orlais further cause to consider invading, more so if Loghain is dead as well.

I choose to take it as such. Kirkwall, being a trading hub from what we're told, is home to noble Orlesian families -- some of which we see. Logic dictates that information would eventually spread around the entire city easily and those same noble families might relay the information back to Orlais.

Best to get Orlais worried as much as possible.

robertthebard wrote...

Add to that the fact that other Wardens didn't, and figure in that BioWare can't possibly account for all possible endings, and it's not a bug, just their version of Canon, whatever that may turn out to be.  I do, however, have a long shot theory about where the Eluvian goes, based purely on what Tamlen sees when it's found in the Dalish origin story:  It actually goes to the Black City.

It's gonna be kinda hard for it to be the Black City since he said that what he saw was underground. More then likely it's Arlathan that he saw.

You could assume that Arlathan is, in some way or another, linked to the Black City though.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[Welsh Inferno]

nightscrawl wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its not a bug. Its just another thing the devs just "forgot" to account for.

There are no plot flags imported from Golems of Amgarrak or Witch Hunt. The game is not disregarding whatever choice you made, there is nothing to tell it what choice you made. Looking at the larger picture, perhaps it might have been better for them to not have had Teagan say that line at all to account for this possibility.

For DA2 there are no plot flags, however I do suggest that you keep your DAO > DAA > GoA > WH > DA2 save for importing into DA3, since you don't know what will be accounted for in the next game.

I know that, t'was my point really. It should have been accounted for, I guess I'll just hope it is come DA3..

[robertthebard]

Karlone123 wrote...

I theorised the Warden told Alistair he/she would be gone for quite a while to investigate "Witch Hunt" and would return at a precise date but never did return to Denerim. My Warden could never walk through the Eluvian because he wasn't able to leave his dog and his brother Fergus Cousland and the world that was getting back on it's feet.

You know, that's not half bad, really.  It's not like the Warden could grab his cell and call Alistair and tell him 'Hey, I'm going with Morrigan into this mirror thing, and I don't know if I'll ever be back".

[Melca36]

yaselvuz wrote...

 My warden joined morrigan through the eluvian but in the quest King Alistair teagan tells alistair that the warden is in Denerim. Is this a bug?

Witchhunt was not canon. It was just a dlc to test stuff out.

[TEWR]

Melca36 wrote...

yaselvuz wrote...

 My warden joined morrigan through the eluvian but in the quest King Alistair teagan tells alistair that the warden is in Denerim. Is this a bug?

Witchhunt was not canon. It was just a dlc to test stuff out.

Uh, it is canon.

The only DLC adventure that was released for Origins that wasn't canon is Darkspawn Chronicles.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

yaselvuz wrote...

 My warden joined morrigan through the eluvian but in the quest King Alistair teagan tells alistair that the warden is in Denerim. Is this a bug?

Witchhunt was not canon. It was just a dlc to test stuff out.

Uh, it is canon.

The only DLC adventure that was released for Origins that wasn't canon is Darkspawn Chronicles.

It would be funny if it's canon. Imagine after a year in Kirkwall, Varric tell, "Word from across the sea that the hurlock vanguard has destroyed Ferelden and the blight is now heading to Free Marches."

Then people in Kirkwall are starting to look for a grey warden. Since Anders was the only grey warden available at Kirkwall in ACT 1, therefore they turn for him. So instead of of bombing the chantry, Anders become the most important person in Thedas by saving the world from the 5th blight. Hawke, on the hand was eaten alive by the hurlock vanguard. 

[Emzamination]

There are no plot flags imported from Golems of Amgarrak or Witch Hunt. The game is not disregarding whatever choice you made, there is nothing to tell it what choice you made. Looking at the larger picture, perhaps it might have been better for them to not have had Teagan say that line at all to account for this possibility.

For DA2 there are no plot flags, however I do suggest that you keep your DAO > DAA > GoA > WH > DA2 save for importing into DA3, since you don't know what will be accounted for in the next game.

Witch hunt does have a plot flag reflecting what you did with morrigan at the end.It's just not reflected in game.

To answer the op's original question, I believe this is a "retcon" just like leliana's death.While writing the story for Da2 the writiers most likely decided it would make no sense to have our wardens who had just saved a nation disapear the first year hawke starts to make a name for him/her self.They may also have retconed for a better fit with leliana's "tracking the warden".We'll just have to say the warden found morrigan 7 years after the battle of denerim which would be the exact time "a dark haired sorceress" was supposed to have shown up in the court of orlais.

I have a hunch the devs might also be trying to stretch the length of time 17/18 years after the battle of denerim to give morrigan's child (who is born no matter what you do) time to reach adulthood because the child is possibly the next protagonist seeing as it has this huge destiny that will decide the fate of the world ahead of it.I don't believe the writers would give an npc a bigger destiny than the pc, would they? Maybe the title dragon age origins wasn't referring to the warden's origins but the childs...something to ponder but enough of that, carry on.

Modifié par Emzamination, 29 mai 2012 - 07:19 .

[Samzo77]

The wiki states Witch Hunt occurs in 9:33, and that Hawke becomes Champion in 9:34. The final conflict occurs in 9:37. so it's hard to say how long each adventure took, what year Alistar came to Kirkwall, if he was aware the warden was gone at that time, etc. There was no "quick travel," or means of long instant long distance communication in that universe, so I say it's cloudy enough to allow for a lot of different possibilities.

Modifié par Samzo77, 08 juin 2012 - 10:58 .

[Get Magna Carter]

many possible answers.. maybe the warden returned...or maybe Alistair is mistaken..or maybe Alistair is lying as an excuse to get away from Kirkwall before buildings start exploding...or maybe the timeline is badly ****ed up..or maybe...etc

[standardpack]

Maybe i'm reading too much into it but depending on the actions your warden took it could be a political ploy by Alistair and his uncle. Saying that right in front of the champion as if to say "Hey! We still got our warden so don't f**k with us!"

[thenemesis1]

It's funny, when Merrill
has the mirror and not all parts of it she can't make it work but in a post long ago..Daivd said why...The Warden had the other parts of the mirror to reach Morrigan in WH. I find it funny that people don't think it is part of the main story  when you have the head writer tell you so in so little words. The Warden left with Morrigan and how they bring that back is up to them but it is there and has been noted by the head writer in charge.

Modifié par thenemesis1, 10 juin 2012 - 12:12 .