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#51
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Trakarg wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I never managed to headshot targets anyway. I use it because its a good weapon againts normal enemies and still does plenty enough damage againts brutes and ravangers for me.

Plus it instakils guardians right through the shield, it's more than made up for it's shortcomings.


Every heavy sniper will do this.  Including the black widow.


It's the highest level lightweight heavy sniper I have next to the mantis, I like it's projectile more and it's scope is perfect for midrange the midrange sniping I prefer.

So really for me it's just a matter of taste and personal preference.

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FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Question. What do you define as skill in the Multiplayer setting?


Being able to headshot a small target on a fast moving enemy that charges to melee range, using a weapon with a charge up timer and is the only weapon in the game with any degree of bullet drop. In the context of ME3s somewhat simplistic (if fun) shooter mechanics, this was the most complex.

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Grimy Bunyip wrote...

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I think it was merely "Useful" when it could headshot special targets.

It had almost no versatility compared to my Javelin since it needed a whole extra second to charge and uncloaks before you are done charging it so you need to charge, then cloak, which is tedious.

you can get 2 kishok harpoons out in a cloak.
3 if you charge then cloak for the first harpoon.

javelin cant do that.
huge limiting factor, kishok has much better dps because of this.


How do you do this? I'm on the Xbox, reload canceling is more difficult, is it even possible on the Xbox?

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 28 mai 2012 - 06:00 .


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GodlessPaladin wrote...

no fix for Krogan Vanguard Rage, no fix for Amplification, no fix for Asari Justicar Power Damage, no fix for Mash Y to Not Charge for Vanguards (an issue even on host and in single player)

This is the biggest problem of the patch, IMO

Modifié par molecularman, 28 mai 2012 - 06:02 .


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Steelgrave wrote...

I was trying out my level X Harpoon Gun yesterday. I can't believe people actually like this worthless POS.

Are you kidding? You can kill a banshee with 3 headshots, or ravager/brute/[insert any other enemy here] with one shot. Name me a different gun which can do that.

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GodlessPaladin wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Question. What do you define as skill in the Multiplayer setting?


Oh look it's one of these guys.  Yeah, this totally requires no skill and everyone can do it. 


I don't understand why anyone sees a need to post their recorded solo round anywhere.  Does that person's ego need *that* much of a boost?

Anyway, I'm not all that bothered by the Kishock's alterations.  It's still a strong weapon for most enemies and the changes just mean that people have to be a little more strategic, rather than go for the quick kill shot.

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aletto wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

I was trying out my level X Harpoon Gun yesterday. I can't believe people actually like this worthless POS.

Are you kidding? You can kill a banshee with 3 headshots, or ravager/brute/[insert any other enemy here] with one shot. Name me a different gun which can do that.


Well...heh...not anymore, you can't.

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aletto wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

I was trying out my level X Harpoon Gun yesterday. I can't believe people actually like this worthless POS.

Are you kidding? You can kill a banshee with 3 headshots, or ravager/brute/[insert any other enemy here] with one shot. Name me a different gun which can do that.


ummm. the new patch got rid of headshots on banshees/brutes/ravagers

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I think he just wanted to show the potential of a kishock. I believe that was the same guy who made this awesome tutorial for the kishock (i finally managed to get 3 shots into a cloak cycle thanks to him)

edit: well, you still can - at least until tomorrow

Modifié par aletto, 28 mai 2012 - 06:07 .


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Shatterhand1701 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Question. What do you define as skill in the Multiplayer setting?


Oh look it's one of these guys.  Yeah, this totally requires no skill and everyone can do it. 


I don't understand why anyone sees a need to post their recorded solo round anywhere.  Does that person's ego need *that* much of a boost?

Anyway, I'm not all that bothered by the Kishock's alterations.  It's still a strong weapon for most enemies and the changes just mean that people have to be a little more strategic, rather than go for the quick kill shot.


Ever think there's people who might actually want to watch something like that?

The first time i cleared gold i asked myself if anyone could do it with 3 people or maybe even just 2...so i searched and found people who did it alone!

Your post was kind of unnecessary tbh...

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puldalpha wrote...

i thought ravagers and brutes were supposed to have critical hit areas for all weapons. Why make it impossible for the kishock?


as far I know...Brutes have no weak points per se.. they do have ARMOR points where they block almost all the damage.

(Ie, claw blocking more damage.. flesh getting no extra armor bonuses)
same with ravagers.. no weak points per se.

the kishook was kinda bugged.. it penetrated too far and hit the "headshot" box that was supposed to be hidden inside the model.

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Sad to see the kishock be 'fixed', but at least they've given the falcon to garrus for calibrations and it's going to work regardless of whether you're hosting. Also, AFK leecher kicking :D

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Maybe they could fix it by skewing Bleed Damage? Making 50% of damage bleed damage would give this weapon a new nook.

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RIP me fav gun

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JerZey CJ

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Why "RIP"? It still applies headshot damage when it is supposed to, and those enemies aren't supposed to take headshot damage. Hell, I use it all the time and I don't even play against the Reapers. The Kishock is a good gun.

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Gutted, this was my best weapon against Ravagers.

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GodlessPaladin wrote...

Steelgrave wrote...

I was trying out my level X Harpoon Gun yesterday. I can't believe people actually like this worthless POS.


It was a decent choice if you had the skill to quickly and reliably headshot brutes, banshees, et cetera with it.

Now it's just garbage.


...Wait, you're upset that a bug that made the gun do something it was NOT intended to do got removed?  Seriously?

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They nerfed all the SRs by taking away the skill bonus for headshots, that's more worrying.

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The gun totally sucked anyway for about 99% of all players. 

And do you always have to focus on the negative?  There's a huge list of stuff they fixed and they undoubtedly worked their asses off to accomplish it.   Going out of your way (and others doing the same) to point out all the things that were NOT fixed just gives the impression of a spoiled child.

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No more double damage by shooting the Atlas cockpit. Shoot 'em anywhere now, I guess.

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IAMREALITY wrote...


And do you always have to focus on the negative?  There's a huge list of stuff they fixed and they undoubtedly worked their asses off to accomplish it.   Going out of your way (and others doing the same) to point out all the things that were NOT fixed just gives the impression of a spoiled child.


Yeah it seems like nobody here on BSN is ever satisfied.

I J'd in my P's when they released the Geth after I begged for them so much... after that I support Bioware with almost everything.

Cheers to you Bioware! 

Vanguards everywhere rejoice!!!!!! :lol:

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Well, it'll still be good for my Human Infiltrator in order to bypass shieldgate. I just may have to carry a Hurricane now instead of a Shuriken to deal with Brutes, Banshees, and Ravagers. Maybe. I think you might still be able to 2-shot a Brute or Ravager with it though.

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I didn't actually realise there were so many other changes, I saw this thread before the others.

Vanguard Glitch fixed so we can play non hosted games now?

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sirjimmus86 wrote...

I didn't actually realise there were so many other changes, I saw this thread before the others.

Vanguard Glitch fixed so we can play non hosted games now?


Not yet, but on Tuesday yes.

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JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Why "RIP"? It still applies headshot damage when it is supposed to, and those enemies aren't supposed to take headshot damage. Hell, I use it all the time and I don't even play against the Reapers. The Kishock is a good gun.


Because there are other options that do it better. If you just want to dick around, the Kishock is still fine, but some people derive fun from effiicient play, A gun is a tool built for a purpose, in games and in real life, in games this is called balance. True balance is derived by every weapon having a niche, being a side grade to it's counter parts in some way or another. 

This is very hard to achieve but some games do it better then others, ME3 is not a great example of it done well. Many of it's weapons are direct linear upgrades over eachother, meaning the existance of those other weapons is almost pointless. If the Kishock fills the same roll as the black widow, valiant, javelin, widow, and viper - yet has numerous disadvantages including complete lack of penetration ability and ping effected travel time as well as bullet drop - then why use it from an efficency point of view?

If you like a gun, by all means use it as much as you want, all guns are "viable" because none of them do zero damage. Having said that though, if you care about how well you do - it's simply a fact that no person using a Kishock will out perform someone of equal skill using a better sniper because those other snipers are just that - directly, linearly better. The ability of the Kishock to headshot targets that no other sniper could gave it a niche, an advantage to justify all it's trade offs - without that it becomes irrelevant to anyone who derives fun from maximizing efficient play.

A lot of people tend to deride this kind of thing from both sides, often breaking it down into a "casual" verse "hardcore" us vs them mentality. That's a falisy though, someone who enjoys throwing spikes around for fun is no less or more valid then someone who enjoys getting the best TTK and knowing they are geared to pull out those clutch moments when others might be content to go to the next game. It's also a point to note that, especially in FPS, if you have linear power curves in weapons then that is a sign of a balance team that really hasn't done it's job well. In competetive titles you often see this result in tournement weapon sets that trim the fat to get the best balance possible.