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[Icinix]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

[eye basher]

Who cares what the catalyts says i just want to see **** blow up.

[Obeded the 2nd]

[quote]Ravenmyste wrote...

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 actually  he only asumes that

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No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.


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  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

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Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.

[jli84]

Shallyah wrote...

The Catalyst is wrong, that's all there's to it.

The Catalyst thinks he is right because some billion of years ago synthetics wiped out organics (or were about to) and someone created it and in turn it created the Reapers to guard the Galaxy from ever happening again.

Forever more, the Reapers simply harvested without asking why, before what happened once could happen again, without giving anyone the opportunity to try again and do it better, to do what their cold programs and lines of code told them to do.

My ending is Destroy because I believe asari, turians, salarians, humans and everyone else can do better.

If you have no faith, if you believe the Catalyst, if you rather admit the Reapers are right and organics deserve to live eternally chained, pick Control.

If you are a coward and do not think organics could create a thriving future for the Galaxy and prefer to turn everyone into half-synthetics, sacrificing everyone's own identity out of fear, pick Synthesis.

The ones that have the balls, that believe in what we are and are proud of it will pick Destroy. You really aren't going to change anyone's opinions, because it is simply a matter of faith. You are afraid of the warnings of the catalyst, we chose to not pay heed and prove we are better.

In my Galaxy, the Geth upload themselves into the suits of quarians to help them improve their immune systems, and I encouraged a friend to have a romantic relationship with an AI. The Catalyst tells me peace between synthetics and organics is not possible, and I give him my middle finger and send him to Hell.

And that's really all there's to it till we see EC DLC, in which to be honest, what we're going to see is that Destroy is even better than what it already seems.

You know, the Catalyst reminds me of a Donald Duck story I read many, many years ago. There was some big problem happening with some important tech (cant remember what), and so the inventor-guy made an AI and tasked it with finding a solution to all technological issues.

Then Donald does some time travelling (as his superhero alt) far into the future. Turns out the AI found that all the tech-issues mainly was caused by human error, so it had uploaded a global virus into all machines and taken controll over them. In this future the humans were living as in medieval times, and worked as slaves to the AI and its robot guards.

Maybe the catalyst is the same. Long ago synthetics rose up agains organics and almost wiped them out. Then someone created the catalyst to find a solution, not predicting how crazy that solution would turn out.

The Donald story was concluded by Donald getting to the AIs location and hitting the off-button, the equivalent of ME3s destroy option. Im with Donald on this one

[Obeded the 2nd]

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

[Grimwick]

Synthesis and control are probably worse in the long term.

Synthesis leads to stagnation, which will eventually lead to extinction or war.

Control leaves Shepard in control of a vast army of sentient hyperweapons... yeah that's going to be so great long term isn't it?

[draken-heart]

i am not reading all the pages for this, but, did the catalyst not say that the created will always rebel against the creators? i know the geth fought the quarians, but that was only because the Quarians struck the first blow. Self-defense, not rebellion. so....i doubt the kid. now if it was LI then......

[Ravenmyste]

[quote]Obeded the 2nd wrote...

[quote]Ravenmyste wrote...

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 actually  he only asumes that

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No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.


[/quote]


  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

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Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.[/quote]


 not its not fact he   just stating what he think will happen

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 28 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[o Ventus]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

 actually  he only asumes that

No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.

  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.

What the hell is "anununnous"?

We don't ever learn where the Keepers come from. Theories presented by NPC's in-game, but nothing concrete.

What evidence do you have to back up this "fact"?

Modifié par o Ventus, 28 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Ravenmyste]

Nyoka wrote...

You're so cute with your theories, space kid, but this time is different. Things have happened this time that had never happened before. A robot just got herself a fleshy boyfriend. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT.

I believe in my brothers and sisters at arms, they have proved me and you they can stand together, that we can overcome our differences, not because of implants, but because of reason. So I will give us a chance to evolve as a civilization on our own terms, a chance to prove you wrong.

Now if you'll excuse me, a control panel is waiting for me downstairs.

that's pretty much what I think when I alt+tab and close the game towards the ending.

lol and this will cause the  over thowing again..

[Ravenmyste]

o Ventus wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

 actually  he only asumes that

No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.

  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.

What the hell is "anununnous"?

We don't ever learn where the Keepers come from. Theories presented by NPC's in-game, but nothing concrete.

What evidence do you have to back up this "fact"?

javik talks about the race that was at the apex before the protheains came to be a space faring race and  that reapers left behind few re purposed anunnous that later became the keepers to keep the citadel going and for the fact if you did the choban quest  you will got  letter from choban saying that scaning say that the keepers are older then orginally thought to be and vigil  on ilios   stated that science team that took the conduit to there stated that they was there as well in there cycle whem they reprogrammed the keepers to ignore the signal and  he also states that the keepers could have been the very first space faring that created the citadel and relays had synthetics created which lead to the reapers being created and cycle of harvesting started with them.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 28 mai 2012 - 10:08 .

[Icinix]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

The starbinger presents the same two options as those two organics - they were wrong then. Why would they be right now?

[o Ventus]

Ravenmyste wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

 actually  he only asumes that

No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.

  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.

What the hell is "anununnous"?

We don't ever learn where the Keepers come from. Theories presented by NPC's in-game, but nothing concrete.

What evidence do you have to back up this "fact"?

javik talks about the race that was at the apex before the protheains came to be a space faring race and think that reapers left behind few re purposed anunnous that later became the keepers to keep the citadel going

It's "Inusannon", not whatever the hell you typed up. They also are NOT the Keepers. Take a look at the Ilos statues. the Inusannon went extinct 2 cycles ago, the Keepers have been around since the Citadel's creation.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

The starbinger presents the same two options as those two organics - they were wrong then. Why would they be right now?

Because they were being controlled by reapers and could not do it then

[frylock23]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

The starbinger presents the same two options as those two organics - they were wrong then. Why would they be right now?

Because they were being controlled by reapers and could not do it then

Why do you listen to the Catalyst as though he is some kind of infallible authority?

I can say a lot of things as a fact, and I'll bet you wouldn't take my bare word for it.

Modifié par frylock23, 28 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[Bill Casey]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

They were organics whose beliefs were manipulated by the Reapers...

[Icinix]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Just something I was wondering about the endings.
Destroy is the worst long-term choice even the catalyst says this, in case you missed it he said that the chaos will come back in about 50,000 years.

Exactly why it isn't.

Since when do we listen to the ramblings of a stupid ghost starbinger that appears out of nowhere in the last ten minutes?

We had a whole game to listen to Saren, a whole game to listen to TIM - and we didn't think they were right. Why would you listen to the brat for ten minutes and think it is right?

Saren and TIM were organics like us not the king of reapers.

The starbinger presents the same two options as those two organics - they were wrong then. Why would they be right now?

Because they were being controlled by reapers and could not do it then

So which is it? They're organics and were wrong in their logic, or they were being told to fight for these two options under control of the starbinger and co (prior to those options ever entering the Starbingers head) and therefore what Saren and TIM were trying to achieve was the right option?

[Bill Casey]

frylock23 wrote...

Why do you listen to the Catalyst as though he is some kind of infallible authority?

Because he's indoctrinated...

[Ravenmyste]

o Ventus wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

 actually  he only asumes that

No, he never says " I think" or anything like that, he says it as fact.

  yes and its  fact know he assuming that their will  be synthetic  uprising like that with anunnous had done to them reapers where created by them{ the first space faring race that created them i.e the keepers}

he just saying  you can destroy us but you children will make  synthetics too of course it will happen but there wont be major  cycle that stops  them from working together so yes he assuming that will happen he doesn't know how it will turn out

Ok I see what you mean, But it is still a fact that will happen.

What the hell is "anununnous"?

We don't ever learn where the Keepers come from. Theories presented by NPC's in-game, but nothing concrete.

What evidence do you have to back up this "fact"?

javik talks about the race that was at the apex before the protheains came to be a space faring race and think that reapers left behind few re purposed anunnous that later became the keepers to keep the citadel going

It's "Inusannon", not whatever the hell you typed up. They also are NOT the Keepers. Take a look at the Ilos statues. the Inusannon went extinct 2 cycles ago, the Keepers have been around since the Citadel's creation.

wrong  you do remeber that all race under promtheian rule became known as prothy regardles of looks that is why the statues differ from the one on thesssia why they states loked different on ilios regadless of race  they was considereed prothy

 yes you are right i mispelled it sorry


 and yes they are in fact they after they been repurposed like what they did with collectors so thus th keepers are infact the creators of the relays and the citadel and the reapers

[o Ventus]

Nyoka wrote...

Well tbh you are supposed to believe space kid. There's no in-game reason why you should, but Mac Walters said as much in interviews when he commented that space kid would give you the info you need to know in order to make your choice, and that a lot of "investigate" stuff was cut, so he is basically an infodump character.

I had no reason NOT to believe him when he said Shepard will die.

But then I went and blew the Reapers up, and Shepard survived. 

It was at this point where I said to myself "What else was that little bastard lying about?"

[filetemo]

If the catalyst is right, control and destroy are the same.
shepard controls the reapers, he realizes they were right, so he restarts the cycle.

So you better not believe the catalyst.

[Icinix]

Nyoka wrote...

Well tbh you are supposed to believe space kid. There's no in-game reason why you should, but Mac Walters said as much in interviews when he commented that space kid would give you the info you need to know in order to make your choice, and that a lot of "investigate" stuff was cut, so he is basically an infodump character.

It did give me the info I needed.

It said he created the Reapers and has been the reason why millions upon millions of races have been wiped out of the galaxy in a brutal, prolonged and horrific manner. It is the inventor of the largest genocide the universe has ever known.

That is all the information I need to make my choice.