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[staindgrey]

Two minutes, hm? Okay. That's not so bad. I guess--

- If a player is removed they will receive zero experience and zero credits from the play session from which they were kicked.

What the hell, man?? You've never had to AFK for, say, a phone call? A potty break? A door bell? A kid needing you?

Two minutes and you can lose all your credits and XP?

**** that.

[SymbolicGamer]

Why are you dodging my question?

You compared video games to team sports, and here I thought you were this awesome pro player who wins tons of tournaments due to his hard work and dedication, and now you won't even tell me how many trophies you've won.

Oh I get it. You don't want to brag.

Just tell me. Is it more than 5?

[asaiasai]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

Why are you dodging my question?

You compared video games to team sports, and here I thought you were this awesome pro player who wins tons of tournaments due to his hard work and dedication, and now you won't even tell me how many trophies you've won.

Oh I get it. You don't want to brag.

Just tell me. Is it more than 5?

Ok sport i will play. I have 2 Little League Trophys from coaching little league. I also have one Second place trophy from playing adult softball. It was a grand time and extremely interesting as some of the kids i coached used to come to my games so i had better set the proper example. 

I have answered your question and i am still waiting for mine. You going to rationalize or you going to sidetrack again? I am still waiting for my answer.

[Eire Icon]

GroverA125 wrote...

This will cause a lot more problems than it will solve. The timer is far too short and will just end up kicking people who aren't deliberately doing it. Then the server lacks the capability to reliably add new players into a partially-full game, so the person who just got kicked will NOT be replaced. Plus, any AFK player will easily find a way around this system within a few minutes, leaving all the unfortunate players who've had to do something within the 30 minute match as the only ones who will truly suffer..

How can you not be deliberatetly inactive for 2 mins ?

GroverA125 wrote...
Do us a favour, and next time Bioware, just give us a damn kick option in-lobby. That removes the whole issue while allowing people with fair enough reasons to remain. .

This would be so abused.

New Players - Kick
Vanguards - Kick
Someone dying too much - Kick
Low scoreres - Kick

[SymbolicGamer]

I didn't know they made video games about adult softball.

Is that part of your strategy? Playing games no one else has heard of, so there's no other competition.

Wait, that can't be true. You placed second. Did you lose to the AI?

[Eire Icon]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

This player is a machine,

He never goes to the bathroom. Never gets phone calls, and his doorbell never rings. If he were to ever receive messages on Xbox live, he would never check them while playing.

Go to the bathroom before the match or after the match

What do you if you get a phonecall when your on the toilet, I'm hoping you ring them back when your done !

Check your messages after your game, come on this is common sense !

If the doorbell rings and you're the only person in the house, leave the session, or let them in and tell them you'll be with them in a minute. Do you really think you should get XP and credits for entertaining guests instead of playing

The BSN cracks me up. For months now people have been complaining about leechers and AFK'ers. Bioware do something about it and people are still complaining

[asaiasai]

Eire Icon wrote...

SymbolicGamer wrote...

This player is a machine,

He never goes to the bathroom. Never gets phone calls, and his doorbell never rings. If he were to ever receive messages on Xbox live, he would never check them while playing.

Go to the bathroom before the match or after the match

What do you if you get a phonecall when your on the toilet, I'm hoping you ring them back when your done !

Check your messages after your game, come on this is common sense !

If the doorbell rings and you're the only person in the house, leave the session, or let them in and tell them you'll be with them in a minute. Do you really think you should get XP and credits for entertaining guests instead of playing

The BSN cracks me up. For months now people have been complaining about leechers and AFK'ers. Bioware do something about it and people are still complaining

Yea it is quite silly is it not?
 
And to symbolicgamer;

You still have not answered my question or attempted to rationalize your position  and yet still wants to call me out. Rationalize or you loose and with the difficulty you seem to be having staying on topic could it be that there is no way to rationalize your position other than, i want what i want and i want it now, assuming tantrum position? So symbolicgamer you still have not rationalized your position and now have fired question number two. Go away kid before i have to school you some more. 

[N7Kopper]

Eire Icon wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...
Do us a favour, and next time Bioware, just give us a damn kick option in-lobby. That removes the whole issue while allowing people with fair enough reasons to remain. .

This would be so abused.

New Players - Kick
Vanguards - Kick
Someone dying too much - Kick
Low scoreres - Kick

If it's a unanimous votekick like lobby kicking, it doesn't matter if it's abused or not. Left 4 Dead has one which is abused at times, but nobody petitions to remove it.
"Democracy is the worst system of governance... apart from all the others" ~Guy Whose Name I Don't Remember

Modifié par N7Kopper, 29 mai 2012 - 09:31 .

[Eire Icon]

asaiasai wrote...

Yea it is quite silly is it not?
 

To say the least - People will quite freely kick someone "For choosing the wrong gun or class" but some seem to think its completely ok to take a phonecall or check their messages in the middle of a game !!!

Theres no "I" in team and I'm pretty sure theres no phonecalls either

[Eire Icon]

N7Kopper wrote...

If it's a unanimous votekick like lobby kicking, it doesn't matter if it's abused or not. Left 4 Dead has one which is abused at times, but nobody petitions to remove it.

Agree to disagree on that point - People loosing credits and experience who are trying their best is not fair in my book

[SymbolicGamer]

asaiasai wrote...
And to symbolicgamer;

You still have not answered my question or attempted to rationalize your position  and yet still wants to call me out. Rationalize or you loose and with the difficulty you seem to be having staying on topic could it be that there is no way to rationalize your position other than, i want what i want and i want it now, assuming tantrum position? So symbolicgamer you still have not rationalized your position and now have fired question number two. Go away kid before i have to school you some more. 

You haven't schooled anyone. Except for maybe kids in little league, who unlike you, actually placed first. 

Great job coach.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

I was asking how many video game trophies you had won.

I figured that'd be obvious, considering that's what this topic is about, But then I went back and read some of your earlier posts and realized you honestly can't tell the difference between recreational gaming and team sports.

You also completely missed the point I was making. Maybe I'll return to this topic in a couple months and give you an extended cut. (That was a joke)

Anyway, I don't want to make this sound like an attack, because it isn't.

For the betterment of this thread, I request that we do not continue with this discussion before it turns into one.

Have a nice day.

 

[Manny Santiago]

Yikes! I better make sure no one's gonna disturb me! Better get all my chores done if I wanna keep my focus on the game.

[Orange Sanguine]

i often get messages from friends asking for a free spot. while i usually don't take longer than 2 minutes to answer those i will still feel like i have to hyper to get an answer out now. i rejoiced when i heard you guys added an anti-leech tool, but this isn't thought out well. as mentioned before, leeches will easily circumvent it and players who need to take a small break for whatever legitimate reason will be punished.

alternative solution: after a set amount of time (3-5 minutes) of inactivity the rest of the squad gets the option to kick the player. no random kicking of players for silly reasons that way, no auto-kick for people with kids, doorbells, lifes etc..., and a highly effective tool against selfish leeches.

what do you think about that?

[Nasulprak]

I approve of a means to remove AFKers. Fortunately they have not been very prevalent, and I only met one that was "Abusive", though I suspect that they would still be there, and just simulate input somehow. All I really know, is that they stood at the initial spawn point, until the round ended, where they pressed the Ready Button.

I used the microphone to try to point out his behavior and tried to get him kicked. Instead o he left, as well as two other random joins....

I am concerned about the punishment though.
Why do you lose all EXP and Credits when disconnecting, quitting, or timing out? You earned those credits and EXP, why are they forfeit if something comes up?

I also hope that AFK while dead does not count. I'll confess to walking away for a bit if a Banshee or something gets me early on in a wave. There isn't anything left for me to do for the next 2 minutes anyways. Sometimes watching is fun and all, but that requires no input device.



If somebody could PM me responses, that would be great. I suspect this message will be buried and I'll never find them on my own.

[Torguemada]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Torguemada wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
Not a viable option. in a gold match you can easily see people who have like 15K score and someone with 110K before wave 7. Doesnt mean they are leeching or AFKing.

Yes it pretty much does, atleast a hell a lot more then the guy with the 110K having to be afk for 2min 1s means heas a leecher.
Seriously a retardidly short timer only causes problem to normal players not leecher who can just do somethink every other minute.
Also really nice that someone having a to take a little over 2min break can easily take away half the xp from team, that makes lelev upping fun...............not.

gues you fell for that mind trap, shame on me for leaving it open. Could mean he joined late, or he is simply pure support. for example had a match today where we had a lv 12 salarian engy, and he had no ED or inc. just decoy he did some pretty good decoy placements, but by wave 6's end he had no more than 18k something while the one with most contribution had around 97K. So it may also simply be a case of bad/test build. Or it could simply be a case of lag that makes him miss hes shots etc. etc. there are alot of reasons why people may be in that situation but dont want to just quit, hell if i take equipment to a UUG i aint gonna give up if it lags, but i aint wasting my medigels either if i die because of lag.

Or maybe you just failed to see the point.
The point is that someone having around 10% of someone else score makes that some someone a lot more of a leech then the guy with 50%+ of the whole teams score going afk for 2minutes and 1 second makes that guy a leecher.
Heck even when i have to go afk for 2-4 minutes, i'm 99% of the times still the one with the stop score when i get back and it's total and utter bull**** if i get autokicked before i get back.

The afk timer should really really be tied to score somehow, for example afk timer is active to only those who have less then 40(or 30)% of the numbers ones score, this way the people who are majorly contriputing aren't kicked just becouse they have to take a few minutes break, but the actuall leechers would get kicked after 2 minutes of inactivity.

[Tonymac]

I've only had issues with a few AFKers. You see them in Bronze a lot, and not as much in Silver. I don't do public Gold, so I have no idea how many are in there.

I have no issue with pulling the weight of two people (myself and someone else) in Bronze and Silver. In Gold.... well..... lets say I appreciate the people I am with.

If we have problems with people, we kick them after the game. Its not that hard.

[Nasulprak]

Orange Sanguine wrote...
alternative solution: after a set amount of time (3-5 minutes) of inactivity the rest of the squad gets the option to kick the player. no random kicking of players for silly reasons that way, no auto-kick for people with kids, doorbells, lifes etc..., and a highly effective tool against selfish leeches.

what do you think about that?

I like this idea a lot.  However, instead of minutes, it should be measured in seconds.  Some highly competitive groups might want to kick if someobody has been gone for 30 seconds or so.

Also, it doesn't address what can be done about those who would circumvent the anti-AFK system.  Fortnuatly that group is very small and would typically be kicked in the lobby so would not see the next round.

I could forsee the Anti-AFK system working better if it provided a means for the group to kick "Useless" players.  Those might be ones who have not used a skill effectively for awhile, or have an extremely/unusually low accuracy.

If somebody is AFK, but are able to provide support with skills, perform revives and objectives, or hit enemies with bullets, then they are fine and indistinguishable from regular players!  


Edit:
Also, if there is to be a group kick, such a message should not interfere with the wave in session, but could be something to be dealt with while "the enemy is regrouping", it might be handy to have a 5 or 10 second additional window to deal with AFKers/Useless players at that time.

Modifié par Nasulprak, 29 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[ToaOrka]

2 minutes? This might be...problematic for some people playing FBW/G/G.

[Blue Face Beast]

staindgrey wrote...

Two minutes, hm? Okay. That's not so bad. I guess--

- If a player is removed they will receive zero experience and zero credits from the play session from which they were kicked.

What the hell, man?? You've never had to AFK for, say, a phone call? A potty break? A door bell? A kid needing you?

Two minutes and you can lose all your credits and XP?

**** that.

Sorry. But why should we care that you lose XP and Credits in an online game because you got an emergency situation at home?

Suck it up. It is just a game. Play more later when you have time and get your credits back. No big deal.

At worst, it is only a 20 minutes match lost so it is not life breaking now is it? Think of the other players. They should not have to deal with your personnal issues. If players simply were decent enough to quit by themselve when they need to AFK then an autokick would not be necessary today.

[PluralAces]

So this means I have to go to the bathroom and bring my controller in order to move around so I don't get kicked out of a game? That's going to be interesting! What about automatically kicking from a lobby? Many people sit idle in a lobby for a Long time and they force me To go look for another game. What about them?

[varteral6162]

The 2 minutes may be a problem for people who fall through the floor in FB Reactor or get stuck in mid-air due to the levitating vanguard bug and other bugs that render you immobile.

[Blue Face Beast]

I really do not understand why so many people seem to be upset because they will not be allowed to be inactive during a game where they are expected to be at least active ( if not heplful ).

When i do not have 20 minutes of free time to play a match, i do not join a match. It is just basic courtesy. Other players expect me to play the game fully when i commit to a match.

[Orange Sanguine]

asaiasai wrote...

SymbolicGamer wrote...

Dude you're so hardcore. How many trophies have you won?

I totally envy you brah.

You should move to South Korea. They treat video games like sports over there too.

You still do not get it. It has nothing to do with a game. It has nothing to do with hardcore. It is ONLY ABOUT RESPECT for another player's time.

You signed on to play, PLAY. That is all it is. When you AFK regardless of the reason you are in a sense saying that your time is more valuable than mine. You have placed an arbitrary premium on your time and i get that it is your time so you probably feel it is worth more. I am just pointing out that from my perspective your time has no more value than mine, but i respect your time by shooting when i have signed on to shoot. But when you AFK and the reason is irrelevant why you AFKed you made the task more difficult for the rest of us. You have effected other people by your failure to perform the actions we thought you were going to perform, when you AFK.

At this point i feel like i am attempting i guess to explain to a child why they are not the center of the universe. The game world does not revolve around you. Your time has no more value than mine but when you AFK and expect me to be ok with it as you make what i have to do harder, you would expect me say oh well they are the center of the universe after all. Not bloody likely.

It is about respect for the other players nothing more. It is sad that i have to keep having this conversation, it is sad that there are some that do not get it. It is sad that there actually has to be this option to deal with leachers and AFKers who do NOT RESPECT other player's time and efforts. 

Respect you either have it and will receive it in return, or you do not as such are not entitled to any.

get a room! or at least keep your e-peen contest to yourself with messages. we don't care, and this thread isn't about the two of you.

[Saodade]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

I didn't know they made video games about adult softball.

Is that part of your strategy? Playing games no one else has heard of, so there's no other competition.

Wait, that can't be true. You placed second. Did you lose to the AI?

Aren't you pissed off  cause you won't  be able to leech others efforts ? Cause to me all what you  type here  seem like taunting to try  and argue and fight  with someone. What word  did started your ire? Respect  word ?

When I read peoples like that I'm scared  a great deal and  amazed that   the planet have not   blown up already...God...

Modifié par Saodade, 29 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[Orange Sanguine]

varteral6162 wrote...

The 2 minutes may be a problem for people who fall through the floor in FB Reactor or get stuck in mid-air due to the levitating vanguard bug and other bugs that render you immobile.

check the thread for the bug fixes, thoise two have been adressed and fixed as well. not defending this ridiculously silly solution to the leecher problem (check my earlier post for a suggestion on how to do it RIGHT.