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[DRTJR]

There were those whose non-party cameos were well handaled, like Wrex, Legion, and Thane. Then there is those whose were botched like Grunt, Katsumi, and Zaeed.

[eddieoctane]

GenericEnemy wrote...

Cool story bro.

(I honestly thought the ME1 crew was the best.)

Becuase of the alien squad-mates. Kaiden and Ashley were never as intriguing as Garrus, Wrex, Liara, or Tali. And look who remained loyal to Shep after (s)he was essentially forced to work for human-centric Cerberus in ME2. It was the alien crew who stuck by Shepard through thick and thin. Personally, I thought Jenkins was better than Kiaden or Ashley and would have sacrificed both of them to get the corporal back.

OP, BiOWare wanted a more "intimate" feel with squadmate interactions. So they cut down the squad size drastically. Unfortunately, they implemented a lot of auto-dialog that leaves you feelign like you interatced less and spontaneously-startign dialog that is easily and accidentally interupted and cannot be reheard once you screw it up. Just one more thing they botched.

[MegaBadExample]

I liked the ME3 crew. Just wished some of them talked more...

Legion, Grunt and Thane seemed to have the biggest impact on the story for me so I'm glad they weren't squadmates.

[Made Nightwing]

ME1 crew were the best, that's why. I didn't dislike my ME2 crew, they were appropriate for the time, but without Ash or Liara, it just felt like a bunch of impostors strutting around my ship.

EDIT: And sorry, but Garrus had about as much personality as a block of wood in ME1. His backstory I found mildly interesting because he was an alien, but it was just so cliched that I couldn't even listen to it more than once. Compare that to Ashley's stories about her family and boot camp, or Wrex's anger about his past, or even Kaidan regretfully recalling Jump Zero, and it just doesn't stick.

Tali...well, she was sweet, but just a walking codex. And even then, she had more dialogue in 1 than she did in 3. My favourites in 1 were Ash and Wrex, my favourites in 2 were Tali and Garrus, but in 3 Ash and Wrex were my favourites again, and I will forever curse BioWare for not making Wrex a squadmate.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 29 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[FlamingBoy]

i preferred me2 crew as well (so much more interactions than in me3)

I really did not like Vega because of the space he took up on my ship

[DRTJR]

I liked Mr. Vega, he was funny, But I feel he is a watered down Grunt, I just want Zaeed, and Grunt back, since Legion died for all Quarian and Geth sins.

[cbutz]

Yea I would have loved more ME 2 Characters there, Miranda and Thane, Gardner for instance, replacing EDI and Vega. When I walk around the Normandy I feel like I have a BA team...this time not so much..I do not feel as confident and the ship feels very barren.

[dublin omega 223]

DRTJR wrote...

There were those whose non-party cameos were well handaled, like Wrex, Legion, and Thane. Then there is those whose were botched like Grunt, Katsumi, and Zaeed.

I have to agree with you there.

[Talhydras]

I was kind of shocked that they didn't use the LOTSB Guest Star Party Member approach for the ME2 squadmates.

I agree that having a huge number of possible interactions meant they couldn't realistically combine both crews - let alone add new characters like Vega and Javik, or a Batarian squadmate just as an example. Writing squadmate banter for any possible configuration of 20 squadmates for each mission sounds like its pushing feasibility. As a player I would also protest at a monster team just because I tend to gravitate towards two to four "primary" squadmates and ignore the rest - that many options would make me feel ever more frustrated at the party size limit. Too many squadmates and they become dilute and difficult to distinguish IMO. 

On the other hand - if each big mission had access to one or two old squadmates for a limited window of time - that would have been great! If you get to have Zaeed back one last time in your team, you only have to write zaeed banter with liara/tali/garrus/VS/javik/vega/EDI. That's far more manageable. No muss no fuss. I'm honestly kind of surprised that they developed and implemented this system in LOTSB and then turned around and forgot all about it...

While I'm in fantasy land - in the final level there'd be tons of effort spent so that there would be the option for ANY squadmates from the first two games that had survived and the time and resources necessary to make that happen would be expended because it's the grand finale. Anyone you didn't choose to take with you would be scattered throughout the final battle like in the conclusion of DAO where your whole party is out cracking skulls as NPCs. I know I'd have loved to take my Tali/Garrus beat-squad out rallying multiple positions, each led by some of my old friends. Zaeed and Wrex back to back, etc etc.

Modifié par Talhydras, 29 mai 2012 - 11:17 .

[GreyWardenNathan]

The ship does feel empty and having rooms on the ship empty too. i was hoping 1 or 2 new characters at some point but instead they were left pointless rooms that may have well been blocked off

[AmaraDark]

ME1 was good, but I loved all the ME2 characters. With the exception of Jacob - the dialog with Jacob as Femshep made me switch off my computer on my first playthrough.

Depending on if it was a Paragon or Renegade playthrough, I have certain favorites. But the reason I've done so many playthroughs of ME2 is that I love playing around with different combinations of crew mates and different actions on their loyalty missions. I freaking loved all the loyalty missions - it was when I could really dig into some RPG fun with that character and those quests were one of my favorite additions to ME2. The characters all had different flavors, so I never got stuck with some one who I couldn't stand.

I've played ME1 through three times, but I'm on my seventh go of ME2 and I'm -still playing- it.

Tali, Kasumi, Thane, Samara and Zaeed are my favorites as Paragon
Jack, Morinth, Miranda, Grunt and Legion are my favorites as Renegade

Garrus for life - him and Mordin were my favorite characters overall from the series.

ME3 though? ... I missed having choices. I don't like the (sometimes painfully) artifical reasons for keeping some ME2 crew from joining you. And I feel like all my ability to interact was gutted.

Yeah, you get those cute scenes of squadies talking to each other in ME3 as you walk the ship .... but there's so many fewer actual dialog conversations that involve You the Player, compared to EM2. I want to interact with my crew, not watch the game interact with itself. If I wanted to watch a game play itself, I can put in Metal Gear Solid 4. A RPG should not have almost all the RPG options so incredibly gutted.

With the removal of practically all conversations on your ship with the crewmates, it made an empty ship feel even emptier. Except for a few scripted events on the Citadel and a few extra chats with my LI once I'm locked in with some one - there's almost nothing. With so many fewer crewmates, I should have had conversations out the rear - but I didn't. I just feel like I got a lot less RPG for my dollar compared to ME2.

On a gameplay side. If you aren't bringing the biotics to the yard myself, your only option is Liara (or pay for the Javik DLC). I don't dislike Liara, but I also don't like her either. The biotics from ME2 were so much more fun and not having them is particularly painful. Vega was fairly entertaining, if a bit out of left field - I spent the first hour of the game going Sooo Shepard apparently knows this new guy? Someone want to bring we the player into the loop about why I should care about him?

But no Salarian or Krogan crewmates. Quarian (Tali) is a super late addition IF you don't side with the Geth. No Hanar, Volus, Elcor, Batarian...so much potential missed.

Look at it this way. With all the crew cuts, if you have bad luck or interactions through ME2 and 3 or miss key conversations - Garrus killed on the suicide misison, Kaidan/Ash shot on Citadal, and Tali dead on Rannoch - you only have EDI, Vega and Liara for most of the game.

So yeah. Fewer squadmates then ME2 and less actual RPG gameplay with the squadmates. I was pretty disapointed. Back to ME2 for me.

[George Costanza]

One of the things I missed most during ME3 was my older crew. With only a few squad mates in ME3, and the only two "new" characters being a ridiculous sexbot and a stereotypical 'roided up moron, it felt like I was shoe-horned into taking certain characters with me more than in the other games. I took Garrus and Liara with me on practically every mission, except for the Geth missions which I took Tali for.

I missed ME2 where despite the boring characters like Jacob and Zaeed, there were more interesting characters like Kasumi, Jack, Legion, Thane, etc. to go along with the mainstays like Tali and Garrus. I liked having more characters a lot more. ME3 seemed a little empty. And considering the purpose was to make the fewer characters relationships deeper then I think it was a failure. I can't remember a single thing about James Vega.

[dsprado956]

ME 2's crew was good, but I'd only want my LI back on the crew along with Thane

[goofyomnivore]

I thought 12 was too many personally.

[me3player]

Garrus,
Liara,
Tali,
Wrex or Grunt,
Mordin,
Legion,
Thane,
Javik,
Balak or the batarian victim from Omega slums.

Optional: one of Samara/Morinth, Miranda, Jack, Kasumi, Zaeed, Kaidan, Ashley, Jacob.

And, of course, Urz.

Modifié par me3player, 29 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[Silhouett3]

Why not make it optional, like the Virmire survivor?

Give the player the option to persuade them into rejoining. Make it a challenge. Let everyone have the squad he/she likes. Also make the player experience the consequences ie. When Jack joins Normandy her biotic students lost leadership and gets harvested or sth.

Yes I know, it doesn't matter anymore.

[httinks2006]

As I see it Bioware got Lazy , there's many examples of squadmate banter that a different squad member will take up to say the same lines to Liara for example in Javik dlc mission.
Now there are specific banter characters will have if Bioware seems to throw the effort into it.
I just ran through Mass effect 2 romancing Tali and was talking to a Krogan on Mordins loyality mission . Shepard said something to the effect of stop acting like a Quarian with a tummy ache and Tali Said Shepard I'm standing right here ......it's all about effort...
As far as Resources stop kissing up to IGN... and throwing a bone to the staff ... those resources could have been used on a past squadmate.
Also those missions where you met up with past me2 characters .No reason they couldn't have joined shadow broker style or joined up after the mission if you choose to have them. (though I'm not sure how Miranda and Liara sharing a room would have worked out.... hmmmm.. oh sorry was thinking about the interactions .... )
my squad

Miranda
Liara
Tali
Garrus
Grunt
Wrex
Javik
Kasumi
Jack
Kaidan, Ashley depending on who lived

Don't have an issue with
Thane
Mordin (got him to sing this time in ME 2 so we will see how that plays out this time)
Legion
being storyline drama

optional also
Samara
Jacob
Zaeed

[wright1978]

Yeah was diappointed by the small limited squad with little character diversity. Having no representation of ME2 exlusive cast was a mistake imo. Really missed having ability to pick a team for missions that suited my particular Shep. maybe 12 was too many but there should have been a better compromise than hacking the squad back to virtually no one.

[pacientK]

They had a bigger fish to catch. CoD multiplayer players.

[The Night Mammoth]

Give me Grunt and Kolyat and the magnificent seven will be complete.

[Iakus]

The entire ME1 team (sadly, aside from Wrex) is available for the ME3 team.

Could do with Samara and Jacob, but otherwise, what we got is epic enough for me.

[clarkusdarkus]

i agree OP, ME1 teammates have no problem joining you, yet the whole cast from ME2 are too busy or shooting themselves in the head. vega was annoying along with liara, couldnt see past javik's accent, EDI was just a waste of character.

[Sargaz]

IDK FEELS LIKE

[Zardoc]

I only used Garrus, Tali and Liara anyway. The only one I actually missed was Wrex.