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[Jacks-Up]

Leg_lamp wrote...

After thinking about the scenarios, I think the best thing to do is suck it up, and let Alistair go.  Harden him, and make him ruler with Anora.  No man is worth sacrificing yourself to the archdemon over, when there is a Loghain to do this for you.

True, it sucks that Alistair will initially hate your guts and dump you.  But when all is said and done, a new golden age will ushered into Ferelden.  If you truly love Alistair, then let him go so he can be a good king. 

You'll be on the rebound, but you will still be able to do fun stuff like save the world, and maybe do some travelling.  Otherwise Alistair will end up being dead, really really depressed, a worthless drunkard, and/or just another demon-babydaddy.   Do you want this to happen to someone you care for?

Take comfort that while getting your pixelated heart broken does suck, you're still a hottie Gray Warden.  There will be other well-written love interests in the world to make you feel all swoony again (and no, NOT Cullen, because he is just a psycho).

Well if you're going to do that why not just not harden him let Loghain live, Anora rule alone and let Alistair run off and drink himself stupid.

[Leg_lamp]

It is more benevolent to have someone you care for be a king who hates your guts, than a drunk who hates your guts.

Modifié par Leg_lamp, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:40 .

[westiex9]

Leg_lamp wrote...


 Furthermore, Alistair and Anora get to have a GOLDEN AGE.  If Ferelden was in Civilization 3, this means they could probably build the Pyramids FIRST (in your face Babylonia)!  Hardened Alistair is a good king, but there still isn't any golden age.  Queen PC and Alistair don't have a golden age, either.  Thus, the Anora/Alistair union is the best for Ferelden.

Hmm i don't think they mention your deeds as a queen in any great detail because that would kinda infringe on our characters imagined story. Personally im pretty sure that my human noble character was not only a better Ruler than anora but also more than capable of creating a golden age. Thats one of the great things about DAO gives plenty of room for the players imagination. would like to see a DLC which developed the Queen ending more though.

Modifié par westiex9, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:38 .

[Leg_lamp]

We are working with the material given here. I'm sure Queen Cousland definitely scores over Queen Anora because she is hotter, and I'm sure that she is a great ruler. But since no Golden Age is mentioned yet, Anora/Alistair is better for Ferelden. But I like your optimism.

In regards to the buggy endings, that really bothers me too. It seems like they just ran out of time. I really wanted to see stronger reactions of the party members at the end too, based on different choices. And I wanted Warden Alistair to stop referring to himself as king - it really took me out of the story.

But being bothered by this doesn't make you lovelorn, it makes you justifiably annoyed.

Modifié par Leg_lamp, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:41 .

[westiex9]

Leg_lamp wrote...

We are working with the material given here. I'm sure Queen Cousland definitely scores over Queen Anora because she is hotter, and I'm sure that she is a great ruler. But since no Golden Age is mentioned yet, Anora/Alistair is better for Ferelden. But I like your optimism.

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Lol im actually glad i played the Human noble first, the choices all seemed so much more personal and difficult and i pretty much was doomed to get into a catfight with anora due to being pretty power hungry when it comes to games that let you gain power without being a jerk(hence the reason im not trying to become king on my next playthrough).was much easier second time round playing a casteless Anora and al get the throne and theres no fuss, I actually quite like anora's character but in the female noble playthrough im always going to end up her rival.

Modifié par westiex9, 12 décembre 2009 - 06:50 .

[Raethowyrr]

I'm definitely having a problem with the ending:

My char started as a city elf, and loved Alistair pretty early on. I didn't harden him (it seems like a pretty unrealistic thing for my character to say - plus I didn't know about it in advance).

The only complaint I had about the relationship was that straight after you sleep with him, the dialogue option to talk about your future comes up and basically however it plays out he thinks you have no future. This could have been something he raised earlier! 

So now we come to the Landsmeet.

Anora had some pretty good qualities for a queen, she was smart, savvy, a good politician, but she didn't seem to really care about anyone at all - she'd betray anyone to be queen. Plus as an elf I didn't think she'd done much for me in her last 5 years of ruling. So I deposed her and made Alistair king. He broke up with me right after - I tried to find a way around this but couldn't, and eventually accepted it. So now I get dialogue options about how he still loves me but can't be with me and it's too painful to talk about.

Coming up to the final battle I can't bring myself to make the Morrigan deal so it's pretty obvious one of us is going to die, and as the hero of the piece I think it should be me.

If I take Alistair with me though there's no way to stop him sacrificing himself because he loves me. He follows my orders for the entire game, but not anymore. I liked that he admits he's been an idiot and he loves me though, but would prefer if he could do that and not die... It doesn't really make sense for my character to just let him do it.

But when I leave him behind I get dialogue that starts with "So you're leaving me behind.." and ends up with:
me "you know how this is going to end" (ie. with my death)
him "We appreciate your sacrifice" or somesuch.

It's kind of spoiling the romance in the ending for me to sacrifice myself to save the guy who is supposed to love me when he's basically saying 'oh you're off to die now? thanks, we appreciate it'

I wondered if it was bugged and I was supposed to get some more romantic farewell. Maybe he could look a little upset. A tear even? Some indication that he'd miss me would be nice.

[asaiasai]

My favorite characters in the game are Eamon, Flemeth and the Lady of the Forest so if i can make any of them happy ill do it. What this has to do with the ending is this, Eamon wants to preserve the blood line, which means Allister needs to be king. I have traveled with Allister and while he is a nice guy he is not all that bright. So what this means is that in the best interest of Feraldin Allister marries Anora, I could care less if either of them are happy. Anora is the brains of the outfit and Allister is the happy nice guy to offset Anora's pragmatism.



What i did not know was that even if you spare Loghain, Allister will still marry Anora if you set it up in advance? Right now i either die alot or spawn alot of demon childern neither is the HAPPY ending i was looking for.



Asai

[the_red_queen]

asaiasai wrote...



What i did not know was that even if you spare Loghain, Allister will still marry Anora if you set it up in advance?

Yes - if you have 'hardened' Alistair and have persuaded him and Anora to marry, then when they argue at the Landsmeet, you get an option along the lines of 'But I thought the two of you were going to marry?'.



If you want to know what difference this makes, read on (otherwise SPOILER ALERT).................













Alistair will decide to leave the Grey Wardens and become Anora's king. You get to have a bit of a row with him back at Eamon's estate which is fun, if too short for my liking. Anora will do the rallying speech prior to the final battle and, if I'm remembering correctly, the thank you speech to you at the coronation. The coronation animation itself is also Anora alone ... surely it should be the two of them together? However, Alistair is there after the coronation and you can have a bit of a chat with him - the details probably depend on whether or not Loghain died (I think I've only tried this exact ending with both Loghain and my PC surviving). I don't think there's any dialogue specific to a character who was romancing him prior to him leaving the party, but Alistair will say you're likely to be seeing a fair bit of each other (at least, if you've told Anora either that you're sticking around to help her or staying with the Grey Wardens) and that you can talk more later, so if you don't mind being his bit on the side, you can at least imagine this scenario has a half-way happy ending for the romance!

[asaiasai]

Thanks Zoev for you prompt answer. I am so tired of my funeral but considering the other options Morrigan's demon child or leaving the kingdom to Anora alone,(letting Eamon down) i was looking for a happier ending. I have 7 complete plays now and i have died in 4, let Morrigan spawn her demon child in 2 and Allister took the final blow once. I am going to try in play number 8 (current) the solution you offered as this is imho the best outcome for everyone, but mostly my PCs. lol

As for being Allister's bit on the side as a male that plays mostly female characters at the risk of being rude, if i gotta watch butt wiggle for hours on end and i have a choice in the matter i will always choose female wiggling. I usually wind up romancing Leliana except in the cases where i need an achievment. (Zeveran and Allister once for the achievment) so with your information the heroine will always get her girl from now on.

thanks
Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:46 .

[Leg_lamp]

westiex9 wrote...
Hmm i don't think they mention your deeds as a queen in any great detail because that would kinda infringe on our characters imagined story.

Hmm, I'm actually going to take a stronger tack on this, because this weekend I finished a game that had a living PC Queen get married to a living King Alistair.

At the end, no comment was made on our leadership at all.  The characters got to have a very lavish (and likely too-expensive) wedding. Then they travelled around, with Alistair constantly fawning over her in public for six months. Barfstravaganza. 

So, you don't end up with golden age.  Instead you end up like Brangelina. 

[Estelindis]

I am lovelorn. :-) On my first playthrough, my City Elf rogue romanced Alistair... did not harden him after Goldanna (frankly, what I really wanted to say after that encounter wasn't an option)... tried to spare Loghain but ultimately supported Alistair when he chose to become king... and was summarily dumped (what's this "I made you king"? - you chose it!). Then refused Morrigan's offer (just seemed so wrong)... and then, quite unexpectedly (to me!) Alistair gave his life to save my character against the archdemon. Tearful stuff!  I was devastated and hated the celebration that followed.

Seeing this thread, Leg_lamp, I recently decided to try your tactic for the lovelorn. I went back to before the Goldanna encounter and hardened Alistair's attitude. I have to say, I find it impressive that he takes a bit more responsibility for himself. (He seems closer to his more commanding attitude from before Ostagar.) Anyhoo, since it seemed he now felt okay about being king, but had mentioned the child issue to my character, it seemed clear that he was going to have to get married. If all my character could have was remaining his secret paramour, she would just have to accept that. In terms of possible wives, Anora does not seem so bad if you never betray her... So why not? My City Elf brings the proposal to Anora and Alistair, and they agree. Upon sparing Loghain, Alistair's anger was quite impressive. However, when you cut to Arl Eamon's estate *before* you go and talk to him, and flick to Alistair's character screen... You can still see he's at 100 (love). That surprised me, considering that he then goes on to say some very cutting things to my character! But such is life. If this is what it takes to have both of us survive without a demonbaby, it's worth a try. So... I turn down Morrigan. And Loghain sacrifices himself. And, in the end, Alistair seems to forgive my character.

All in all, I have to say, this ending isn't bad. It is, in fact, the first one I have reached (after trying *all* the others with unhardened Alistair) that didn't leave me with a deep sense of loss. However, it does appear that, character screen 100 (love) or otherwise, there is no further mention of any romance between our characters. Oh well. At least we are both alive and can still be friends (my character will stay in Denerim to be the bann of the alienage). The loss of romance is unfortunate, but our characters have a lot of other things in common (otherwise we never would have fallen in love anyway). Would have been nice to see some final reference to the romance, though, even if to its end. Did quite like what Anora asks you about Alistair, though. It's like my character and her are comparing notes.

So, yes: not bad. Not bad at all. Thanks for this thread!

Modifié par Estelindis, 15 décembre 2009 - 05:52 .

[Imryll]

Kuravid wrote...Also: who the hell would be satisfied with being Alistair's mistress? Don't people understand that your status as mistress means you are, essentially, second to just about everything else? It's not like he's going to get that heir he needs for the throne with you.

And Anora's 5-year marriage with Cailan failed to produce an heir. If they had had issue, there would be no need to promote Alistair as heir.  It seems to me that marrying Anora to secure the succession is an exercise in wishful thinking.

[sagefic]

@ Leg Lamp:

Hear, hear! (or is it here, here? I can never remember)

I totally agree with you. I SO wanted to do the romance option with Alistair, but just could not follow through.

A few other points:

1. You don't have to sleep with Alistair to find out about the fact Grey Wardens have trouble having kids together. I didn't sleep with him, thinking that I'd probably have to marry him off to Anora. After you cure Arl Eamon, you can still talk to him about where the relationship is going and get that info. (Which is nice - seriously, Al, you're going to tell me AFTER the sleeping together we can't have kids. Maybe it doesn't matter to some people, but still.)

2. Mistress = (oh hey? that word got censored. hmm - edit - my bad). Seriously, I did not fight the blight, save the kingdom, and all else just to be the other woman. Mebbe this is coming from my human noble origin, but NO THANK YOU. This is a self-respect thing - or an avatar respect thing. Not happening. *shudder*

3. If you have married a hardened Alistair off to Anora, as Leg Lamp says, you get a friggin GOLDEN AGE! This is a good thing. You can save everyone - except Loghain, and in a way you do "save" him - and Alistair isn't even all that mad at you. He says you did what you had to. Thanks buddy - thanks for noticing finally.

4. Has anyone mentioned that letting Loghain live is not only a way to stay alive, but the PERFECT way to fully end his accusations against the Grey Wardens? He slandered you all - now he's one of you. Even his supporters can't stand against you now. By marrying Al to Anora and making Loghain a grey warden, you effectively get EVERYONE under the same banner (if Al is hardened, that is). This was my reasoning.

5. The REAL question here is - I think - are you going to do what Alistair wants (or thinks he wants - the man is so changeable) or are you going to do what's best for everyone? Yes, Alistair will be lonely (sort of, I think he and Anora will be okay). Sure, he'll be hurt by you, yes, he'll be a little bitter. But you know what? People were dying everywhere - the kingdom was in turmoil! Crappy stuff happened all over the place and for me to try and make Alistair happy out of all of the kingdom seems not only selfish and silly, but just plain wrong.

Yeah, if you push forward Leg LAmp's game ending mentioned here, Alistair complains that you are acting like "you're the only one who can set things right" or something like that - But he's just trying to have his Grey Warden cake and eat it too. The guy is not thinking straight. I hate to say it, but it's true. It makes him a totally believable character, but a lousy one to be making the decisions. Alistair wants the fem PC AND not to sleep with Morrigan AND for Loghain to die at the Landsmeet AND to not be king AND for Anora not to be queen AND for all the grey wardens to come back from the dead and do the happy dance with oghren. These are not all possible. And yet his insistence on having them - to the exclusion of any ending except for sacrificing himself, is ridiculous.

So sorry Al, we're doing this the easy way and making Loghain a grey warden.

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 décembre 2009 - 06:52 .

[Thiefy]

sagequeen, while a lot of that is true, there is a lot of metagame knowledge involved there. Going with what we knew at the time the info was availible to us, we had our PCs make choices we thought were in the best interest of everyone at the time.



You *dont* know that Loghain will not backstab you (and it's more logical to think he would), you *dont* know that a grey warden MUST die to kill the arch demon, and you certainly *dont* know morrigan will offer you the chance to make a demon baby in order to save yourself. the choices seem logical once you have all the information but considering you are given them in bits and piece at different times, I would say entertaining the idea of Loghain as a warden is foolish. While it may have been what some people see as the 'better choice in the long run' for my pc, she believes she would have had a better chance surviving a sword of mercy or two through the heart than team up with loghain.

[sagefic]

Imryll wrote...

Kuravid wrote...Also: who the hell would be satisfied with being Alistair's mistress? Don't people understand that your status as mistress means you are, essentially, second to just about everything else? It's not like he's going to get that heir he needs for the throne with you.

And Anora's 5-year marriage with Cailan failed to produce an heir. If they had had issue, there would be no need

to promote Alistair as heir.  It seems to me that marrying Anora to secure the succession is an exercise in wishful thinking.

true. but consider who is in line for the throne: loghain - who's getting along in years; anora (rumored to be barren), and grey wardens (you as male PC, you as fem PC, and alistair)

dunno if anyone else read it like this, but i saw this as a CLEAR set up for DAO2 - that ferelden throne is going to be up for grabs again in 30 years, I think.

[sagefic]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

sagequeen, while a lot of that is true, there is a lot of metagame knowledge involved there. Going with what we knew at the time the info was availible to us, we had our PCs make choices we thought were in the best interest of everyone at the time.

You *dont* know that Loghain will not backstab you (and it's more logical to think he would), you *dont* know that a grey warden MUST die to kill the arch demon, and you certainly *dont* know morrigan will offer you the chance to make a demon baby in order to save yourself. the choices seem logical once you have all the information but considering you are given them in bits and piece at different times, I would say entertaining the idea of Loghain as a warden is foolish. While it may have been what some people see as the 'better choice in the long run' for my pc, she believes she would have had a better chance surviving a sword of mercy or two through the heart than team up with loghain.

good point. i guess i'm just a softie, because i tend to let chars live if the beg for mercy. i just...do. even that nasty slaver (though i like to think i gave him a big boot to the behind as he ran away)

[Thiefy]

sagequeen wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

sagequeen, while a lot of that is true, there is a lot of metagame knowledge involved there. Going with what we knew at the time the info was availible to us, we had our PCs make choices we thought were in the best interest of everyone at the time.

You *dont* know that Loghain will not backstab you (and it's more logical to think he would), you *dont* know that a grey warden MUST die to kill the arch demon, and you certainly *dont* know morrigan will offer you the chance to make a demon baby in order to save yourself. the choices seem logical once you have all the information but considering you are given them in bits and piece at different times, I would say entertaining the idea of Loghain as a warden is foolish. While it may have been what some people see as the 'better choice in the long run' for my pc, she believes she would have had a better chance surviving a sword of mercy or two through the heart than team up with loghain.

good point. i guess i'm just a softie, because i tend to let chars live if the beg for mercy. i just...do. even that nasty slaver (though i like to think i gave him a big boot to the behind as he ran away)

i am too but it would be like asking howe to join my party and as a human noble pc that was just NOT happening. but i do understand what you mean, when it came time to kill loghain i couldn't do it, so i let alistair do it. first time i felt my pc had let her responsibilities slide. it was more important to him anyway.

[sagefic]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

sagequeen, while a lot of that is true, there is a lot of metagame knowledge involved there. Going with what we knew at the time the info was availible to us, we had our PCs make choices we thought were in the best interest of everyone at the time.

You *dont* know that Loghain will not backstab you (and it's more logical to think he would), you *dont* know that a grey warden MUST die to kill the arch demon, and you certainly *dont* know morrigan will offer you the chance to make a demon baby in order to save yourself. the choices seem logical once you have all the information but considering you are given them in bits and piece at different times, I would say entertaining the idea of Loghain as a warden is foolish. While it may have been what some people see as the 'better choice in the long run' for my pc, she believes she would have had a better chance surviving a sword of mercy or two through the heart than team up with loghain.

good point. i guess i'm just a softie, because i tend to let chars live if the beg for mercy. i just...do. even that nasty slaver (though i like to think i gave him a big boot to the behind as he ran away)

i am too but it would be like asking howe to join my party and as a human noble pc that was just NOT happening. but i do understand what you mean, when it came time to kill loghain i couldn't do it, so i let alistair do it. first time i felt my pc had let her responsibilities slide. it was more important to him anyway.

huh. i guess i can see the comparison. however, loghain was once a great man driven half-mad by paranoia. howe was just a scheming *** through and through. after saving loghain, i really came to like him. his request to make the killing blow totally redeemed him for me.

[Leg_lamp]

Just to clarify, my position is unashamedly 100% coming from a metagamer perspective after weighing all the pros and cons of the different endings. 

To Estelindis:  He is less mad at you by the end of the game.  Maybe even he will totally be over it in 30 years, then you could be reunited (and it feels so good) for your Calling.  That aside, it is best to chalk him up to experience and move on, since you are obviously a strong woman who doesn't need a man to self-worth.  Besides, there are other fish in the sea.  I hear Wynne has a son, you know.

To Thief-of-Hearts:  First of all,  give me my heart back.  Secondly, in all seriousness, that actually, in my very first playthrough (when I was totally unspoiled and unaware there would be a sacrifice), my gut instinct was to give Loghain mercy.  I chose this because he surrendered, because I hate capital punishment irl, and because I thought making Loghain a Grey Warden would force peace between Ferelden and the Grey Wardens.  I thought that Loghain, if he survived, might come to his senses once his nightmares came.  Alistair ran off to go be a drunk though, so I reloaded in a moment of temporary lovelorn weakness!  (I kind of have this effect on men irl too, sad to say). 

So I guess my point is, that even if you aren't metagaming, it wasn't totally illogical for me at least to spare Loghain and redeem him.

Modifié par Leg_lamp, 15 décembre 2009 - 08:16 .

[westiex9]

Leg_lamp wrote...

westiex9 wrote...
Hmm i don't think they mention your deeds as a queen in any great detail because that would kinda infringe on our characters imagined story.

Hmm, I'm actually going to take a stronger tack on this, because this weekend I finished a game that had a living PC Queen get married to a living King Alistair.

At the end, no comment was made on our leadership at all.  The characters got to have a very lavish (and likely too-expensive) wedding. Then they travelled around, with Alistair constantly fawning over her in public for six months. Barfstravaganza. 

So, you don't end up with golden age.  Instead you end up like Brangelina. 

But thats exactly what i mean they arn't telling you much about what actually happens. They will tell you that you travelled around and had a big wedding but after that its all down to imagination. I mean maybe while the PC and Allistair were travelling they were drafting laws and learning more about the state of the realm...or maybe they were just travelling.

My Theory is pretty much that they won't tell you more yet because theres still more stuff on the horizon(possible expansion) and because telling you about a golden age now would spoil lore that they might put in a  sequel.

In any case though it is a certainty that anora and allistair will enjoy a golden age, But once can but dream that the pc will have equally good odds

[Thiefy]

To Thief-of-Hearts: First of all, give me my heart back. Secondly, in all seriousness, that actually, in my very first playthrough (when I was totally unspoiled and unaware there would be a sacrifice), my gut instinct was to give Loghain mercy. I chose this because he surrendered, because I hate capital punishment irl, and because I thought making Loghain a Grey Warden would force peace between Ferelden and the Grey Wardens. I thought that Loghain, if he survived, might come to his senses once his nightmares came. Alistair ran off to go be a drunk though, so I reloaded in a moment of temporary lovelorn weakness! (I kind of have this effect on men irl too, sad to say).



So I guess my point is, that even if you aren't metagaming, it wasn't totally illogical for me at least to spare Loghain and redeem him.

lol what can I say, it's my job



I don't like capital punishment either, but for my pc that was a tough bullet to swallow. I guess that is just the difference between mine and yours. I do believe in people redeeming themselves, but at the same time, I do not think the choice is hers alone to make (well it quite literally is, but you know what I mean). She takes into consideration all the things from the past and Alistairs feelings - especially Alistairs feelings. That's why she gives him the decision to do with Loghain as he pleases. It's the one time she shifts responsibility because she can't make decision. Should Alistair have actually spared Loghain, she would have gone with that decision, however unlikely that was.

[Leg_lamp]

Thief-of-Hearts :  This is exactly why you should be making these major decisions, and not some man whose choices will cause these tragic outcomes.   Be strong, this is for the best!

Westiex9:  Okay, I will give you that the PC Queen and King Alistair would probably be capable of launching a Golden Age, if they weren't so busy traveling and doting on each other.  And I also must say that your confidence is refreshing. 

However, they won't get the chance to make a Golden Age, because if there is a sequel, because then there will likely be a "call-to-adventure" that will take them away and prevent/delay this from happening.  It is also possible that the Demonbaby might ruin everything, and/or an Orlesian invasion occurs.

(PS. If Queen Anora and King Alistair are Brangelina, then Anora is Jennifer Anniston.)

[sagefic]

Hmm... It's interesting to think, but if you are the fem PC and you do everything Alistair's way, as in, never make him do something he doesn't want to do/face:



- he never gets cynical (i'm assuming he'd rather you choose the "other people care for you" option

after goldanna)



- anora is queen



- loghain dies



- he doesn't sleep with morrigan



- he dies to stop the archdemon



so give Alistair his way, and he ends up killing himself. maybe morrigan is right aobut him after all.

[Thiefy]

Thief-of-Hearts : This is exactly why you should be making these major decisions, and not some man whose choices will cause these tragic outcomes. Be strong, this is for the best!

That's metagame knowledge that it causes tragedy. At the time, it seems like a good choice. She can see the merit in letting him, but that is a huge risk, really. Even if she likes to give people chances to redeem themselves, there is always the risk of being backstabbed, and she'd wager the stake was much high with Loghain. And of course there is Alistair's need for closure. If Alistair can find the strength to give him mercy, then my PC can as well. He'd certainly be a better man than my PC, considering she couldn't give the same courteousy to Howe.



Best ending IMO, would be sacrificng herself to save Alistair. Alas, I also wish to have her continue into future games or expansions so I have another save just for the King/Queen ending.

[Leg_lamp]

That's metagame knowledge that it causes tragedy.

But we do know the future.  At least in this thread. And after weighing all the pros and cons, and implications, I think it is best if you live and Loghain redeems himself.  The fact you get to live at the end of the game is just gravy. This argument is 91% pure metagame, 6% troll-in-cheek, and 3% making sure no one gets mad at me.  Honest apologies if this wasn't clearer before. 

I only posted that I actually did have a non-metagame reason for sparing Loghain on my first playthrough, since you brought it up earlier, and because it is fun to talk about.  I can definitely see why one would logically let Alistair kill Loghain, if they weren't metagaming/were strictly roleplaying/etc.  This is a different topic though.

Modifié par Leg_lamp, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:01 .