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[Hey]

I don't think so. Would be way too much sexual tension on the Normandy if everyone was a possible hook up.

I do like that idea about characters being attracted to you or not based on what kind of choices you make more than just selecting certain dialog trees tho. You may end up in the cold more but it would be more impactful and meaningful when there is a connection made. Would need a spectre "groupie" on board tho as a backup plan...

[Unit-Alpha]

IsaacShep wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

...except it is. Humans are programmed at the basest level to be heterosexual. So human characters who are not heterosexual have character-driven sexuality

What is this nonsense that I'm reading omg hahahahahahaha

Hahaha, another person who can't come up with any logical response.

InB4 "It's because there isn't one omg hahaha"

You are willfully ignoring logic in your superhuman struggle to protect Cortez.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 mai 2012 - 05:48 .

[deathlord413]

mauro2222 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Not everyone is bi in real life, no matter who wants them to be. If we are to consider Mass Effect a 'realistic' game at all, then not everyone should be bi in that. And it certainly shouldn't happen just because fans make a noise and do polls on it *Cough* Kaidan *cough* Plus, sometimes it's just irritating. Why can't I just have a friendship with a buddy in a video game? Honestly, why is Kaidan even attracted to my Tali mancing MShep?

You can have it. You claim realism but you think that people are attracted to you till the end of time... you told him no, then is no for him. Besides he wants you to know, after all he might die tomorrow.

If you think that such relationship is not friendship, then the problem is you.

What I think he is refering to is the "Brothers in Arms" kind of a friendship. For some guys having another man come on to them *might* cause them to lose respect for the guy. It's not thier fault, they are born that way. 

[HellbirdIV]

I'm in favor of it. It's a video game with characters who are already very broadly set - their actions are responses to your actions as a player. Mass Effect is about impacting the world around you, not watching Shepard do her own thing while you sit back and watch 15 minutes of cutscene at a time. (Yeah I went there)

People have preferences by their nature, but those preferences aren't set in stone. Believe me, sometimes people go against their "orientation" (and better judgement!) because of - gasp! - personality! Why is sexuality that important to people in this thread? Isn't the term "Love Interest", not "Sex Interest"? Physical attraction (and the desire to f**k) is not a prerequisite for love.

Also don't try to tell me Tali "doesn't swing that way", she came on to my FemShep in ME2.

[mauro2222]

Hmmm, I wonder what the hell are doing the Asari when they **** with aliens. After all, they are programmed.

[shepskisaac]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

...except it is. Humans are programmed at the basest level to be heterosexual. So human characters who are not heterosexual have character-driven sexuality

What is this nonsense that I'm reading omg hahahahahahaha

Hahaha, another person who can't come up with any logical response.

Dude ,do you have brain problems? I'll help you. You could swap Steve's huband with a wife and the fact he's straight would matter as much as the fact that he's gay (outside of romance specifically of course). Same if you swapped Kenji with some hot chick. Kasumi's character would be the same. Same if you switch Traynor to straight, she would be the same quirky lab rat lost in real-war environment she is. Allers would've been a reporter, Kaidan would've still be a biotic. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about right now?

[Lenimph]

Mesina2 wrote...

No.

Claiming everyone can be bisexual is about as stupid when religious bigots claim homosexuality is a choice.

You say that now... but what would you do in prison... 

[MoonsKisu]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No.

Stop thinking that everyone is Bisexual.

They are not.

It's not a choice to be anything. You are the way you are.

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start. It doesn't just turn on and off. I like that there are some straight and some gay characters. Makes them more realistic.

[shepskisaac]

MoonsKisu wrote...

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start.

And he said he wasn't when?

[Blacklash93]

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Let's take another couple games with romances: Witcher 2 and Deus Ex: HR. In neither one of those is there an option at the beginning that says, "Would you like a homosexual romance option instead?" No, because that is pure shoehorning. Cortez/Traynor were characters defined by their sexuality. This is *not* good writing, indicating they were shoehorned in. Kaiden's romance for MaleShep: again, shoehorning.

Both instances cheapened the characters and made them much more flimsy and 2D. This is not good writing. So congratz, you got your homosexual romance option. For people who don't pursue it (vastly the majority) we have to deal with horribly defined and paper-thin characters. That's my problem with them.

I never saw them as defined by their sexuality (especially Samantha). You know there are people, even straight people, on these forums who like them for their character right?

[ObserverStatus]

Lenimph wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
No.
Claiming everyone can be bisexual is about as stupid when religious bigots claim homosexuality is a choice.

You say that now... but what would you do in prison... 

Hold on to the soap really tight? 

[Unit-Alpha]

IsaacShep wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

...except it is. Humans are programmed at the basest level to be heterosexual. So human characters who are not heterosexual have character-driven sexuality

What is this nonsense that I'm reading omg hahahahahahaha

Hahaha, another person who can't come up with any logical response.

Dude ,do you have brain problems? I'll help you. You could swap Steve's huband with a wife and the fact he's straight would matter as much as the fact that he's gay (outside of romance specifically of course). Same if you swapped Kenji with some hot chick. Kasumi's character would be the same. Same if you switch Traynor to straight, she would be the same quirky lab rat lost in real-war environment she is. Allers would've been a reporter, Kaidan would've still be a biotic. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about right now?

Seriously "dude." I don't. You do.

Let me break this down.

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

Those characters are not heterosexual; therefore, they individually have abnormal sexuality. Individual characters: character-driven sexuality.

Or would you rather me call them biologiclally flawed human beings? I wouldn't.

And no, sorry, changing sexualty changes the character. If it doesn't, then it's a poorly written character. So you like poorly written characters, fine.

[HellbirdIV]

MoonsKisu wrote...

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start.

He was. Then BioWare chickened out and removed the content from the first game...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

And you shut up if you don't have anything to say that isn't horribly bigoted, 'kay?

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 29 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[EsterCloat]

IsaacShep wrote...

MoonsKisu wrote...

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start.

And he said he wasn't when?

When he didn't go for MaleShep in ME1.

[Unit-Alpha]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Let's take another couple games with romances: Witcher 2 and Deus Ex: HR. In neither one of those is there an option at the beginning that says, "Would you like a homosexual romance option instead?" No, because that is pure shoehorning. Cortez/Traynor were characters defined by their sexuality. This is *not* good writing, indicating they were shoehorned in. Kaiden's romance for MaleShep: again, shoehorning.

Both instances cheapened the characters and made them much more flimsy and 2D. This is not good writing. So congratz, you got your homosexual romance option. For people who don't pursue it (vastly the majority) we have to deal with horribly defined and paper-thin characters. That's my problem with them.

I never saw them as defined by their sexuality (especially Samantha). You know there are people, even straight people, on these forums who like them for their character right?

I was especially talking about Cortez. They just fell under the banner of shoehorned sexuality, sorry for the confusion.

[Blacklash93]

IsaacShep wrote...

I'll help you. You could swap Steve's huband with a wife and the fact he's straight would matter as much as the fact that he's gay (outside of romance specifically of course). Same if you swapped Kenji with some hot chick. Kasumi's character would be the same. Same if you switch Traynor to straight, she would be the same quirky lab rat lost in real-war environment she is. Allers would've been a reporter, Kaidan would've still be a biotic. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about right now?

No need to be rude Isaac. I agree with you, but acting like this is changing any minds.

[Unit-Alpha]

HellbirdIV wrote...

MoonsKisu wrote...

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start.

He was. Then BioWare chickened out and removed the content from the first game...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

And you shut up if you don't have anything to say that isn't horribly bigoted, 'kay?

Derp. This is biology 101. There is nothing bigoted about it. You're just over-sensitive. I explained in nice easy-to-read sentence structure how I absolutely support the LGBT community, if you even bothered to read.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[mauro2222]

deathlord413 wrote...

What I think he is refering to is the "Brothers in Arms" kind of a friendship. For some guys having another man come on to them *might* cause them to lose respect for the guy. It's not thier fault, they are born that way. 

Then it is their problem. They aren't born that way, they are raised that way.

And if what you tell me is true, then they're not only bad friends, but have a really bad meaning of friendship.

[CroGamer002]

bobobo878 wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
No.
Claiming everyone can be bisexual is about as stupid when religious bigots claim homosexuality is a choice.

You say that now... but what would you do in prison... 

Hold on to the soap really tight? 

I wouldn't even use the soap.

[mauro2222]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

MoonsKisu wrote...

I don't like that Kaidan was suddenly bisexual. He should have been that way from the start.

He was. Then BioWare chickened out and removed the content from the first game...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

And you shut up if you don't have anything to say that isn't horribly bigoted, 'kay?

Derp. This is biology 101. There is nothing bigoted about it. You're just over-sensitive. I explained in nice easy-to-read sentence structure how I absolutely support the LGBT community, if you even bothered to read.

Biology 101 wich doesn't include the brain or sociology, really good class.

[shepskisaac]

EsterCloat wrote...
When he didn't go for MaleShep in ME1.

Ohh bummer, then Doctor Chakwas is asexual she she doesn't go for either mShep or FemShep

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Seriously "dude." I don't. You do.

Let me break this down.

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

Those characters are not heterosexual; therefore, they individually have abnormal sexuality. Individual characters: character-driven sexuality.

Or would you rather me call them biologiclally flawed human beings? I wouldn't.

And no, sorry, changing sexualty changes the character. If it doesn't, then it's a poorly written character. So you like poorly written characters, fine.

You say "Ohh I fully support LGBT people" but then you're whining "these characters were nothing but their sexuality". Seriously, who do you think you're gonna fool?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Well, I'm done with this stupidity. I'm fine with homosexuality and bisexuality in Mass Effect. I'm not fine with poorly-written characters, which some of you are very adamant in defending. Whatever. Can't change that.

[Kunari801]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No.

Stop thinking that everyone is Bisexual.

They are not.

It's not a choice to be anything. You are the way you are.

^-That.   I wanted my male-Shep to date Kaidan since ME1 but no, making all possible LI's bi is not needed.  

[robertm2]

NO! there should be an option for everyone gay, straight or bi but what they did to kaidin was terrible.

[Unit-Alpha]

IsaacShep wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Seriously "dude." I don't. You do.

Let me break this down.

Humans are designed to be heterosexual: species-driven sexuality.

Those characters are not heterosexual; therefore, they individually have abnormal sexuality. Individual characters: character-driven sexuality.

Or would you rather me call them biologiclally flawed human beings? I wouldn't.

And no, sorry, changing sexualty changes the character. If it doesn't, then it's a poorly written character. So you like poorly written characters, fine.

You say "Ohh I fully support LGBT people" but then you're whining "these characters were nothing but their sexuality". Seriously, who do you think you're gonna fool?

Um, it's because from a writing standpoint, he (being Cortez; nice straw man there) is 90% defined by his sexuality. I seriously don't know how you create such a massive strawman like that.

Also, if I didn't support the LGBT community, would I be okay with romancing a character who you pointed out (in your very first post!) who was "bisexual?" Lol, great logic there.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 mai 2012 - 06:07 .