Mev186 wrote...
Of course not, Showing something, anything at E3 might reassure the customers that their fears are being addressed. Bioware can't have that! They can't show those entitled whiners the fruits of their "artistic integrity"!
Modifié par clennon8, 29 mai 2012 - 03:44 .
Greed1914 wrote...
But if nothing is said, how can there be improvement? There isn't much incentive to do better if all feedback is satisfactory.
wantedman dan wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
:sigh: a firestorm isnt needed at all imo
people should just take what they can get because what makes you think other forms of sp dlc wouldnt be free to hold us over?
no one is backtracking with the i wont pay a dime stance if its free so why complain at all is my question
Why should I just take what I can get?
That is an absurdist consumer stance.
Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 03:45 .
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scyphozoa wrote...
Dear everyone, after months of complaining about the ending, the last thing you should be doing is telling Bioware to rush the EC. Seriously, stop looking for things to complain about.
clennon8 wrote...
I've never understood the "Shut up and take what you can get" stance. I mean, how do you think we got Bioware to agree to make an EC anyway? By bithcing. Bithcing a lot. And the people who aren't happy about getting nothing more than "clarification" and "closure" on what they feel is a fatally flawed ending are perfectly correct to keep on bithcing.
Taboo-XX wrote...
Greed1914 wrote...
But if nothing is said, how can there be improvement? There isn't much incentive to do better if all feedback is satisfactory.
The only feedback they need is "Give me Miranda or Give me Tali".
Or, clarify that everyone doesn't die when the Relays explode.
BASIC marketing tactics here. When an audience is upset with the ending to a film, the stuido may recut it, to make the audience feel better.
Can you imagine the Talimancers backing off if they get to see her again?
I'LL back off if Shepard gets to see Miranda again.
Tazzmission wrote...
let me ask you this. if you pay 10 bucks to go see a film and dont like it for w/e reason do you go to the manager and say hey you owe me a better film or do you say hey look the movie was bad i want my refund?
or do you go one step further and take the director to court wich btw has happened and was nothing more than a open shut case because the person who filed it thought it was gona have vin diesel in it
just because your a consumer dosent mean your always 100% right
and again like i have stated before. people knew about the endings when video of it leaked before release and still bought the product my question to you is if you knew how the ending was and didnt like it why even bother to purchase it anyways?
nobody has a gun to your head and tells you to not cancell your pre order
Tazzmission wrote...
insults someones inteligence
Tazzmission wrote...
let me ask you this. if you pay 10 bucks to go see a film and dont like it for w/e reason do you go to the manager and say hey you owe me a better film or do you say hey look the movie was bad i want my refund?
Greed1914 wrote...
As much as I love my Tali, I wouldn't consider it a huge victory to just have something with the LIs. There are so many issues with the ending that, if not addressed, will warrant further complaints. How would seeing the crew again, or just saying the relays didn't kill everyone, fix things like galactic travel or that the whole cycle is based on flawed logic? Like I said, improvement comes from learning from one's mistakes. If those are not pointed out, then one doesn't learn. If corrections are made and praised because they only a few things, then it sends the message that all you have to do is do just enough to get by.
tekkaman fear wrote...
Fact that he had to even say anything is ridiculous.
Taboo-XX wrote...
Be lucky you're getting anything at all.
This is being done, for you, for free, at the expense of thousands of dollars. Do you have any idea how expensive this stuff is? How much it costs?
Where I come from you don't get anything. If you don't like the film, too damn bad.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I can't make you trust me and would never ask you to but I can tell you that from experience, that you WILL fogive the issues so as long as you are willing to compromise. Think of it like a marriage, you can be married for twenty years and know all the faults of your partner but you still love them. Why? Because happiness blinds you to faults. You love them and accept them for who they are.
It works the same way with art.
wantedman dan wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
let me ask you this. if you pay 10 bucks to go see a film and dont like it for w/e reason do you go to the manager and say hey you owe me a better film or do you say hey look the movie was bad i want my refund?
Let me answer your question with another: would you be upset if YOU paid $10 for a movie, a trilogy capper--supposedly a blockbuster series, $100 million worth of budget, AAA feature--and it turned out to be a dud? Would you be angry that the production company falsely advertised their product?or do you go one step further and take the director to court wich btw has happened and was nothing more than a open shut case because the person who filed it thought it was gona have vin diesel in it
just because your a consumer dosent mean your always 100% right
It depends on the egregiousness of the offense. The world is not black and white. Context matters in every situation, as you're neglecting to mention trying to make some fallacious point that you'll only end up contradicting ten minutes from now.and again like i have stated before. people knew about the endings when video of it leaked before release and still bought the product my question to you is if you knew how the ending was and didnt like it why even bother to purchase it anyways?
nobody has a gun to your head and tells you to not cancell your pre order
Your question is apparently predicated upon the notion--the assumption--that I don't wish to know something within the context in which it was produced. Furthermore, it is also glaringly apparent that you assume I knew about the leaks beforehand.
Apparently, in your world, people shouldn't make decisions for themselves. Simply trust the Tazz. He will tell you what is right and what is wrong.
wantedman dan wrote...
Sorry--not sorry--but I'm not going to buy into a comparison between a business partnership in which I am provided commissioned art (wholly in contrast to personal art, no less) to a marriage between myself and a partner.
Not buying it in the least.
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 mai 2012 - 03:58 .
Taboo-XX wrote...
Greed1914 wrote...
As much as I love my Tali, I wouldn't consider it a huge victory to just have something with the LIs. There are so many issues with the ending that, if not addressed, will warrant further complaints. How would seeing the crew again, or just saying the relays didn't kill everyone, fix things like galactic travel or that the whole cycle is based on flawed logic? Like I said, improvement comes from learning from one's mistakes. If those are not pointed out, then one doesn't learn. If corrections are made and praised because they only a few things, then it sends the message that all you have to do is do just enough to get by.
I can't make you trust me and would never ask you to but I can tell you that from experience, that you WILL fogive the issues so as long as you are willing to compromise. Think of it like a marriage, you can be married for twenty years and know all the faults of your partner but you still love them. Why? Because happiness blinds you to faults. You love them and accept them for who they are.
It works the same way with art.
Tazzmission wrote...
and again you are spewing garbage wich i havent stated
where have i ever stated my oppinion is the only one?
Greed1914 wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
Greed1914 wrote...
As much as I love my Tali, I wouldn't consider it a huge victory to just have something with the LIs. There are so many issues with the ending that, if not addressed, will warrant further complaints. How would seeing the crew again, or just saying the relays didn't kill everyone, fix things like galactic travel or that the whole cycle is based on flawed logic? Like I said, improvement comes from learning from one's mistakes. If those are not pointed out, then one doesn't learn. If corrections are made and praised because they only a few things, then it sends the message that all you have to do is do just enough to get by.
I can't make you trust me and would never ask you to but I can tell you that from experience, that you WILL fogive the issues so as long as you are willing to compromise. Think of it like a marriage, you can be married for twenty years and know all the faults of your partner but you still love them. Why? Because happiness blinds you to faults. You love them and accept them for who they are.
It works the same way with art.
Well, I'm not unwilling to compromise. I know it'll never address every issue I have with the ending, but I guess I just expect more out of it than you do.
Taboo-XX wrote...
You don't have to. I told you that you don't.
Science on the other hand, disagrees. When you're happy with something, you'll overlook the faults.
Like the French people who love Paul Verhoven's Showgirls.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I've already applied a head-canon. My interpretation is not wrong because the game is art.
Should the EC deliver, the original nonsense will no longer be an issue to me.
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