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[Greed1914]

Taboo-XX wrote...



I've already applied a head-canon. My interpretation is not wrong because the game is art.

Should the EC deliver, the original nonsense will no longer be an issue to me.

Well, that's fine and all, but applying head-canon doesn't really work for me.  I saw what I saw, and found it to be lacking.  I really shouldn't have to use my imagination to fix it.    Interpretaion is great, but there is only so much it can do in light of what is actually shown.

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

[wantedman dan]

Greed1914 wrote...

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

Why do people keep saying this?

Of course the fact that they absolutely destroyed Mass Effect canon matters--and will continue to matter well past EC. How they treated the fans--civil AND rude--was and is atrocious. How they treated the story--OUR story, as it has been labeled--was and is atrocious.

If you do not look back upon this in the future and consider what might happen before purchasing another Bioware product, you are not making an informed and rational decision.

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You don't have to. I told you that you don't.

Science on the other hand, disagrees. When you're happy with something, you'll overlook the faults.

Like the French people who love Paul Verhoven's Showgirls. 

And your argument is that I should shut up and be happy?

No, you seem to assign that meaning to my posts.

You'll forget because that's how the brain works.

But not everyone will be pleased. That's just a fact.

If you've already decided to be unhappy, then you are biased and will never be pleased.

[Manton-X2]

Yea, I think people are underestimating how much work is required for the cinematics to make them look correct. They pretty much have one shot at this. There is already a huge chunk of their core audience who are pissed at what the EC was announced as being. To come out with something now that is half-*ssed would mean a ton of future Mass Effect franchise sales that will never happen.

Bioware use to have a massive reservoir of trust and goodwill that would have seen them through botching something like this, but at this point that thing is running close to empty for a lot of people. If I was them, I wouldn't say another word until it was 100% ready to go. They really can't afford not to.

[Tazzmission]

clennon8 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

let me ask you this. if you pay 10 bucks to go see a film and dont like it for w/e reason do you go to the manager  and say hey you owe me a better film or do you say hey look the movie was bad i want my refund?

Some people do.  I never have.  I'm willing to write off 10 bucks and 2 hours and go on with my day.  It's a matter of how much effort you're willing to put into getting satisfaction for a disappointing product.  Some people aren't willing to let go of something that they've invested hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours into only to have the experience end on such a sour note.  Maybe you don't really give a damn.  Fine.  But consumers are perfectly within their rights to complain, and yes, even demand some sort of satisfaction.

complain is one thing wich im not against but heres the thing people dont understand what im against

and i cant even keep track on how many times i have stated this so this is the last time 


imo people who go as far as to make a federal thing out of it imo is nothing but  a whiney ungratefull loser 

same can be said for people who insult a guy like mac walters for having a degree in psychology

when these so called fans act all oh look the devs are scared those people ****** me off because they have this idea in there head that there something


i mean seriously if people really cant understand personal insults on devs is wrong than im sorry but they really are blind to there own nutball ego

i have been personally verbally attacked many times and people think they can just get away with it like they do with the devs but they sure as heck wont with me i can tell you that much

and again like my cry baby comment wich jumpstarted this whole mess isnt a insult but i really do believe alot of fans are ungrateful i really  do because no matter what bioware does your always gona have someone find a excuse to complain about w/e


and yea people told me i can just leave but im not leaving because i have every right to be here just like everyone else

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 04:08 .

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No, you seem to assign that meaning to my posts.

You'll forget because that's how the brain works.

But not everyone will be pleased. That's just a fact.

If you've already decided to be unhappy, then you are biased and will never be pleased.

K, great. Glad we're speculating emotions now.

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

Why do people keep saying this?

Of course the fact that they absolutely destroyed Mass Effect canon matters--and will continue to matter well past EC. How they treated the fans--civil AND rude--was and is atrocious. How they treated the story--OUR story, as it has been labeled--was and is atrocious.

If you do not look back upon this in the future and consider what might happen before purchasing another Bioware product, you are not making an informed and rational decision.

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

[SpiderFan1217]

squee365 wrote...

...So how many Multiplayer DLCs until we DO see something? :| I have the feeling they're barely working on the EC at all.

I thought EC was only supposed to be a couple minutes of cutscene.

They haven't really shown that they're working on it. A deep part of me is afraid they only announced the EC to calm us, but in reality they're not really working on it and might never release it.

  Wow. The fail in this post is... wow. 

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

No, you seem to assign that meaning to my posts.

You'll forget because that's how the brain works.

But not everyone will be pleased. That's just a fact.

If you've already decided to be unhappy, then you are biased and will never be pleased.

K, great. Glad we're speculating emotions now.

Not sure if serious...... 

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

Why do you consider a narrative act of retroactive continuity an act of erasing history?

Just because they've rectified it does not mean that they didn't screw up. Badly.

I'm sure you could find a few examples of that within any marriage, to borrow--and expand upon--your example.

[Greed1914]

wantedman dan wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

Why do people keep saying this?

Of course the fact that they absolutely destroyed Mass Effect canon matters--and will continue to matter well past EC. How they treated the fans--civil AND rude--was and is atrocious. How they treated the story--OUR story, as it has been labeled--was and is atrocious.

If you do not look back upon this in the future and consider what might happen before purchasing another Bioware product, you are not making an informed and rational decision.

There is such a thing as forgiveness.  It's not forgetting, it's moving on.  Also, as the discussion that Taboo and I have had points out, I have relatively high standards for what would actually correct the situation to me.  Yeah, it'll always be in my mind with Bioware games, but I'm not going to completely condemn them if they actually satisfactorily correct their errors.  If the EC actually addresses the problems, I'm not going to turn around and throw it back in their faces by refusing to buy another game from them.  Ultimately, while I do have higher expectations on this subject, I also believe in being able to make up for mistakes.

Modifié par Greed1914, 29 mai 2012 - 04:13 .

[ArchDuck]

I don't want them to rush. Goodness, no. I want them to communicate.
Not give the silent treatment, not give PR speak, not more empty words and especially not more lies about the final product.
They don't have to advance screen it for me, or give me the script or really much information. I want them to give some general updates on the process or what stage it is at or how individuals who are working on it feel (not Casey, Mac or Gamble) or something that might give more impression they care beyond just a business level and perhaps respect their customer base.

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You don't have to. I told you that you don't.

Science on the other hand, disagrees. When you're happy with something, you'll overlook the faults.

Like the French people who love Paul Verhoven's Showgirls. 

And your argument is that I should shut up and be happy?

No, you seem to assign that meaning to my posts.

You'll forget because that's how the brain works.

But not everyone will be pleased. That's just a fact.

If you've already decided to be unhappy, then you are biased and will never be pleased.

and hes the one who called me a troll

between him and a few others now you see why i  just go off like the loose canon that i am

[balance5050]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

Why do people keep saying this?

Of course the fact that they absolutely destroyed Mass Effect canon matters--and will continue to matter well past EC. How they treated the fans--civil AND rude--was and is atrocious. How they treated the story--OUR story, as it has been labeled--was and is atrocious.

If you do not look back upon this in the future and consider what might happen before purchasing another Bioware product, you are not making an informed and rational decision.

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

Actually fixing the plotholes like that in the end only opens up plotholes in other parts of the game, like Sovereigns motivation and "The Arrival".

I can only think of one way that we can change the endings without changing them.....

Modifié par balance5050, 29 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

Why do you consider a narrative act of retroactive continuity an act of erasing history?

Just because they've rectified it does not mean that they didn't screw up. Badly.

I'm sure you could find a few examples of that within any marriage, to borrow--and expand upon--your example.

Because it's called an Extended Cut. It's a new version and should be taken as a whole.

Much like Blade Runner. Only people who are insane prefer the original.

[wantedman dan]

Greed1914 wrote...

There is such a thing as forgiveness.  It's not forgetting, it's moving on.  Also, as the discussion that Taboo and I have had points out, I have relatively high standards for what would actually correct the situation to me.  Yeah, it'll always be in my mind with Bioware games, but I'm not going to completely condemn them if they actually satisfactorily correct their errors.  If the EC actually addresses the problems, I'm not going to turn around and throw it back in their faces by refusing to buy another game from them. 

If you don't forget the action in question, it still matters.

I'm not saying you should forgo purchasing any Bioware product now, or in the future. I'm saying when you actually do consider it, you need to think about these things.

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Because it's called an Extended Cut. It's a new version and should be taken as a whole.

Much like Blade Runner. Only people who are insane prefer the original.

Whoopdie-sh*t. Blade Runner was meritorious in its own right before being continually retconned.

Just because it was retconned, however, does not erase its history.

For someone so upset that I'm purportedly misconstruing the intentions of my post, you certainly have no problem doing so to mine.

[wantedman dan]

Tazzmission wrote...

and hes the one who called me a troll

between him and a few others now you see why i  just go off like the loose canon that i am

LOL

Watch out everybody, we've got a Ryan McClane up in here.

[clennon8]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

But, as you said, if the EC delivers, it will no longer matter. 

Why do people keep saying this?

Of course the fact that they absolutely destroyed Mass Effect canon matters--and will continue to matter well past EC. How they treated the fans--civil AND rude--was and is atrocious. How they treated the story--OUR story, as it has been labeled--was and is atrocious.

If you do not look back upon this in the future and consider what might happen before purchasing another Bioware product, you are not making an informed and rational decision.

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

But I never leapt to the conclusion that the relay explosions wiped out the systems they were in.  Nor do I believe everyone is going to starve, krogan are going to eat everyone, etc.  But I'm still very, very unhappy with the endings, because they are thematically unsound and/or grimdark in a very obvious, artificial way.  I don't want to play the game again because I don't want to make that goddamn choice again.  Seeing Liara again isn't going to fix that for me.  Explaining how Joker swooped in with the Normandy and scooped up my squadmates and then flew away isn't going to fix that for me.  Some added exposition with the blasted Star Child isn't going to fix that for me.

Modifié par clennon8, 29 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...
Whoopdie-sh*t. Blade Runner was meritorious in its own right before being continually retconned.

Just because it was retconned, however, does not erase its history.

For someone so upset that I'm purportedly misconstruing the intentions of my post, you certainly have no problem doing so to mine.

No it doesn't. But people don't ever mention the original version when they discuss it thematically.

Your anger reveals more than enough. You are upset and it shows. I'm trying to help in some capacity but I can't help someone who acts with such vitriol in their words.

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You forget the power of narrative focus.

Clarifying that the relays exloding didn't kill anyone will eliminate such plot holes. Saying that it was a localized implosion cause by the Crucible will fix this.

"Clarify."

Why do you consider a narrative act of retroactive continuity an act of erasing history?

Just because they've rectified it does not mean that they didn't screw up. Badly.

I'm sure you could find a few examples of that within any marriage, to borrow--and expand upon--your example.

Much like Blade Runner. Only people who are insane prefer the original.

mmmmmmmmmmm i dont know if i agree with that because that would be like saying fans are insane
 for people who prefer the real original star wars trilogy over the 2 or 3 re releases

[Taboo]

No sane person likes the original Blade Runner.

By the way, I know that it's going to be re-released later this year.

Ridley Scott said so!

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No it doesn't. But people don't ever mention the original version when they discuss it thematically.

Your anger reveals more than enough. You are upset and it shows. I'm trying to help in some capacity but I can't help someone who acts with such vitriol in their words.

Awh, somebody is trying to read emotions over an internet forum. This is adorable.

Would you like me to say "please" and "thank you" at the end of my posts to satiate your need for gratiousness?

[Tazzmission]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

and hes the one who called me a troll

between him and a few others now you see why i  just go off like the loose canon that i am

LOL

Watch out everybody, we've got a Ryan McClane up in here.

seriously man i think you need some help.........

you dont just got me telling you but taboo also is saying calm the hell down and start speaking normaly 

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No sane person likes the original Blade Runner.

By the way, I know that it's going to be re-released later this year.

Ridley Scott said so!

:sigh: i just hope he dosent try to reach up with lucas...........



theres so many rereleases a person can do before you say ok im done