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[Dusen]

. . . and this is how threads get locked. . .anyways, I think this is a good sign in a way because it possibly means that Bioware is actually doing more than just making more cutscenes. Maybe the EC will contain more than a few new movies, perhaps even gameplay.

As we've seen before, nothing the devs say is exactly set in stone.

Modifié par Dusen, 29 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[squee365]

Tazzmission wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

lol wow you are one of those people

"Those people..."

Oh, how ominous...

those people meaning you would probably jump off a bridge over this wouldnt you?

look at how your acting and i wouldnt be shocked if you did such a thing... its just a game dude no need to go all emo on it

Stop being an overdramatic child. You're doing a wonderful job of NOT talking about the topic though. If your goal was to get the thread locked, you're doing a good job. If you want to keep fighting, have it in PM but jeez you're just making yourself look like a fool. 

[Tazzmission]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

those people meaning you would probably jump off a bridge over this wouldnt you?

look at how your acting and i wouldnt be shocked if you did such a thing... its just a game dude no need to go all emo on it

Assigning emotion to an otherwise emotionless forum is the tool of the weak-minded.

Believe me, I'm getting a kick out of watching you squirm.

and again biting another reply i have stated earlier

[wantedman dan]

Greed1914 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...



No, there was no miscommunication. I stand by what I said: if you don't forget an action which you've questioned, it still matters even if you've forgiven it.

Not only for the person or organization in question--Bioware in this instance--but for the future of the product--Mass Effect.

All right, then consider me crazy if you want to, I guess.  You're dead set on it.  Like I said, if a mistake is corrected in a satisfactory manner, then I'm willing to move on.  I do so because I realize that I also make mistakes and hope that others can move on from them and maintain whatever relationship I had with them.  Sometimes, the mistake cannot be corrected and that relationship cannot be continued, but when it can, then I'm inclined to allow such an outcome. 

The implication in your post is rather ominous, with which I completely disagree.

Simply because I hold people, corporations, organizations to that standard does not mean I do not hold myself to such. 

Modifié par wantedman dan, 29 mai 2012 - 04:33 .

[wantedman dan]

Tazzmission wrote...

and again biting another reply i have stated earlier

Weren't you complaining about my digging up your posts from earlier?

Yet, you seem to have no problem referring to them. Tsk tsk--double standards are bad, m'kay?

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...
Yes, good for you.

Apparently you're blissfully unaware of the differentiation between "explicit" communication and "implicit" communication. Would you like a refresher, or would your no-nonsense, stare-down writing be compromised?

You can't tell tone on the internet, but you can make an inference from the words they use.

You expect me to make an inference from things you do as an individual or as a group rather than what you type?

[wantedman dan]

jreezy wrote...

Carrying on a conversation/discussion/argument this long with Tazz is pretty impressive. Most people would've probably got annoyed and stopped by now.

I'm weird. I find this to be mildly fun.

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You can't tell tone on the internet, but you can make an inference from the words they use.

You expect me to make an inference from things you do as an individual or as a group rather than what you type?

Oh, good; we're making headway!

I'm simply applying this very standard to you, which you seem happy to do to others.

[ArchDuck]

ArchDuck wrote...

I don't want them to rush. Goodness, no. I want them to communicate.
Not give the silent treatment, not give PR speak, not more empty words and especially not more lies about the final product.
They don't have to advance screen it for me, or give me the script or really much information. I want them to give some general updates on the process or what stage it is at or how individuals who are working on it feel (not Casey, Mac or Gamble) or something that might give more impression they care beyond just a business level and perhaps respect their customer base.

Just reposting this in the hopes of getting the thread back on track before Mr. Woo decides to close it (as per his recent tendency).

[Tazzmission]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

and again biting another reply i have stated earlier

Weren't you complaining about my digging up your posts from earlier?

Yet, you seem to have no problem referring to them. Tsk tsk--double standards are bad, m'kay?

again show me a double standard from my old posts.. enlighten me here if your such a smart guy?


and i didnt complain i flat out said if you want to go ahead. i have nothing to hide

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...
Yes, good for you.

Apparently you're blissfully unaware of the differentiation between "explicit" communication and "implicit" communication. Would you like a refresher, or would your no-nonsense, stare-down writing be compromised?

You can't tell tone on the internet, but you can make an inference from the words they use.

he fails to understand that oviously. 

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You can't tell tone on the internet, but you can make an inference from the words they use.

You expect me to make an inference from things you do as an individual or as a group rather than what you type?

Oh, good; we're making headway!

I'm simply applying this very standard to you, which you seem happy to do to others.

You present an argument and I present a counter argument. That's how this goes.

Back and forth back and forth. Aren't you having fun?

[wantedman dan]

Tazzmission wrote...

again show me a double standard from my old posts.. enlighten me here if your such a smart guy?


and i didnt complain i flat out said if you want to go ahead. i have nothing to hide

Well, first there was this:

Tazzmission wrote...

and hes the one who called me a troll

between him and a few others now you see why i  just go off like the loose canon that i am

And then, there was this:

Tazzmission wrote...

and yet here you are again still peeing your pj's over something i stated hours ago.

and trust me you arent rational

You stated the first one hours ago, yet you reused it. Why am I not held to the same standard? Was that not a complaint?

[shepskisaac]

ArchDuck wrote...

Just reposting this in the hopes of getting the thread back on track before Mr. Woo decides to close it (as per his recent tendency).

Sure hope you ain't complaining about that 4000-pages long "Endings we want" thread which should've changed the name to "General Chit-Chat" sometime around page 2000

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You present an argument and I present a counter argument. That's how this goes.

Back and forth back and forth. Aren't you having fun?

Just exhilarating.

I'm sensing a theme for tonight: "Very few--barring Daniel--holds themselves to the same standard that they hold others." Kinda wordy, but it works.

[Wabajakka]

Were many people really expecting an announcement or trailer ar E3? Showing an EC trailer would be like including the end scene's to ME3 in a trailer before the game came out.

I would only expect a trailer for it if they were looking to hint at some form of IT to generate hype for the game's future.

The only thing we should expect, at most, is a release date during the time of E3 from BW online, not in some big press conference.

[Tazzmission]

wantedman dan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again show me a double standard from my old posts.. enlighten me here if your such a smart guy?


and i didnt complain i flat out said if you want to go ahead. i have nothing to hide

Well, first there was this:

Tazzmission wrote...

and hes the one who called me a troll

between him and a few others now you see why i  just go off like the loose canon that i am

And then, there was this:

Tazzmission wrote...

and yet here you are again still peeing your pj's over something i stated hours ago.

and trust me you arent rational

You stated the first one hours ago, yet you reused it. Why am I not held to the same standard? Was that not a complaint?

and again how is that a double standard...........


you sure like to use big words that you cant define

[wantedman dan]

Orange Tee wrote...

Were many people really expecting an announcement or trailer ar E3? Showing an EC trailer would be like including the end scene's to ME3 in a trailer before the game came out.

I would only expect a trailer for it if they were looking to hint at some form of IT to generate hype for the game's future.

The only thing we should expect, at most, is a release date during the time of E3 from BW online, not in some big press conference.

Apparently we're getting nothing of the sort, at least according to @bioevilChris

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

I'm sensing a theme for tonight: "Very few--barring Daniel--holds themselves to the same standard that they hold others." Kinda wordy, but it works.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I'm more than willing to accept criticism, it simply needs to be valid criticism. You chose to derail this thread, not I. You are not posting critcisms, you are presenting a fallacious argument.

[Tazzmission]

Orange Tee wrote...

Were many people really expecting an announcement or trailer ar E3? Showing an EC trailer would be like including the end scene's to ME3 in a trailer before the game came out.

I would only expect a trailer for it if they were looking to hint at some form of IT to generate hype for the game's future.

The only thing we should expect, at most, is a release date during the time of E3 from BW online, not in some big press conference.

i still say something non ec will be shown. theres tweet i just read in the twitter thread saying the team is on crunch time with dlc content now

its oviously not the mp so im guessing the rumored take back omega

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[wantedman dan]

Tazzmission wrote...

and again how is that a double standard...........


you sure like to use big words that you cant define

Well, actually, that would be a phrase. But I'm no grammar fiend.

It's a double standard because you're holding yourself to a different standard (allowance of the using of themes from posts made hours prior) than you're holding me (unallowance).

How's that for a definition? Complete with examples! Your high school logic teacher couldn't have done a better job.

[Greed1914]

ArchDuck wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

I don't want them to rush. Goodness, no. I want them to communicate.
Not give the silent treatment, not give PR speak, not more empty words and especially not more lies about the final product.
They don't have to advance screen it for me, or give me the script or really much information. I want them to give some general updates on the process or what stage it is at or how individuals who are working on it feel (not Casey, Mac or Gamble) or something that might give more impression they care beyond just a business level and perhaps respect their customer base.

Just reposting this in the hopes of getting the thread back on track before Mr. Woo decides to close it (as per his recent tendency).

If all anybody was looking for was some progress reports around E3, then I can understand why they were asking.  Gameplay or in-depth discussions were never going to happen since these shows are all about marketing hype and they've tried pretty hard to downplay the whole thing, but a progress update isn't such a crazy thing to ask about. 

On the one hand, I would like to at least hear something, and given the lack of communication over the ending, it would probably be a nice gesture.  But on the other hand, I can understand remaining silent on it.  Given that this wasn't planned, the timelines might be fairly flexible, and in light of how over-promising and under-delivering created this situation, I can see why they would hold off on saying anything substantial.  My guess is that we won't know anything about the actual content until it comes out, and we'll have to go from there.

Modifié par Greed1914, 29 mai 2012 - 04:45 .

[Dryball]

Let's see... The literary "Earth in Flames" theme has become instead the proverbial "ME in Flames" due to some of the worst end scene writing I've ever seen. And we are supposed to be surprised at them not mentioning their one-all fix DLC early and at a place showcasing what is supposed to be next generation games and the hardware to run em? Yeah, not surprised here. To be fair I have seen fan outrage like this before...The Age of Conan MMO comes to mind, as does the RYL game. Also notice the singular commonality between the three being MP and their collective, quite frank, ******-poor release. It can also be said for all three games the release was done too early and far too rushed causing 99% of all issues due to blunted content and abbreviated story-lines.  It created the following:

1. This was the shortest of the three ME games.

2. This had glaring issues where the "narrator" jerked the "reader" out of the story due to large inconsistencies.

3. This release was first run MP duality which was buggy at best for release and was made to directly affect SP content in as meaningless yet acutely necessary ways as was possible.

4. This release was far out-shined by the first two releases in quality of story and interactivity.

Whereas in most expectations the second of a trilogy is usually the one to let you down it was the last. So no I'm hardly surprised they wouldn't be bringing up something about a game that is far from representative of BW's higher works. I would in fact be surprised if they mention ME at all during E3. At least not without specific and prolonged goading from the audience. And then only to re-state what has already been stated regarding the EC.

This has become a defacto "catch 22" for BW. They made such an impression on this franchises' hard majority shareholders(yes that is what I consider anyone purchasing the game), that any and every move will now be scrutinized with exceedingly detail orientated nit-picking. Such to the point it serves no real purpose to openly discuss any changes or additions with said shareholders.

Better to pull a "Nancy Pelosi" and just pass the bill to see what's in it. It also insures they aren't second guessed every waking minute of their solution. Something that would 100% guarantee NO solution for any shareholder on any level.

Modifié par Dryball, 29 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

I'm sensing a theme for tonight: "Very few--barring Daniel--holds themselves to the same standard that they hold others." Kinda wordy, but it works.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I'm more than willing to accept criticism, it simply needs to be valid criticism. You chose to derail this thread, not I. You are not posting critcisms, you are presenting a fallacious argument.

Cute wording, little reinforcement. And you wonder how this argument got derailed so quickly.