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[wsowen02]

Not really. ME3 was, in several ways, an even lazier effort than Dragon Age 2 was. And ME had more dev time.

Modifié par wsowen02, 29 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[ABCoLD]

Yes, it wouldn't be my favorite game (that was 1) but it would have been my second favorite game. It the ending had been super awesome, it might edged into 1.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Yes and no.

I have my problems with EA and Bioware as a company... But as a game? Yes. It would've made things far better, and it would've restored my faith that what EA takes control of a company, it doesn't always end badly...

[Richard 060]

'Forgiven' is a bit of a 'fuzzy' term - 'overlooked' would be more appropriate as far as I'm concerned...

But yeah, if the ending was 'adequately'-written, I'd have accepted it. Even if it just did an unremarkable job of winding up the plot, and failed to deliver a high-point on a par with Tuchanka/Rannoch, or some of the great moments that made ME1/2 so memorable, as long as it made sense, I'd have been satisfied.


As it is, we've got something which is practically a 'how to' guide on bad storytelling - and one being heralded as something to be PROUD of by the team at BioWare, no less. Not only does that utterly tarnish my overall Mass Effect 3 experience (or even my 'Mass Effect experience as a whole), I've actually lost faith in BioWare, a company selling itself on the quality of it's 'story-based gaming', and their ability to create decent stories, since their 'pride' in the ending plot and execution would suggest that whoever headed up plotting/writing Mass Effect 3 has somehow lost the ability to discern between 'good' and 'bad' writing.


And yes, I keep making that last point ad nauseum. But then, that's ultimately the problem - if they can't tell when they've screwed up or not, then what does it say about their creative abilities or sudden lack thereof?

[jimjamalam22]

When I was playing I was really more involved with the story rather than 'nit-picking' at the other smaller details, so yes I would have overlooked these flaws if the ending was fantastic.

[JBPBRC]

It wouldn't be as bad, but no, there are still several issues within the game itself.

[HellbirdIV]

Armass81 wrote...

Would you have forgiven most/all the other things if the ending for ME3 was great?

Yes.

Mass Effect 3 is a flawed game on the whole, but then almost all games have some flaws. The ending made it go from "Amazing game with some major flaws" to "Flawed game with WHAT THE F**K WAS THAT ENDING???"

[TheWerdna]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'll forgive everything if Shepard gets to see -Insert love Intrest Here- again.

Hook. Line. Sink.

Poof. There goes Taboo.

Changed slightly and agreed

[Helios969]

christrek1982 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'll forgive everything if Shepard gets to see Miranda again.

Hook. Line. Sink.

Poof. There goes Taboo.

this but with Liara

Yes, with Tali.

Really, my own problem other than the ending was the lack of interaction with companions like we got from ME2 (and war asset shortfall.)  But the game was good enough (and downright great in others) that a meaningful ending would have negated all other concerns.  However, a less than stellar ending just causes players to over-evaluate the game as a whole, discovering more and more things they don't like.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

the ending can make or break a game as proved by Mass Effect 3

[tomcplotts]

Armass81 wrote...

Would you have forgiven most/all the other things if the ending for ME3 was great?

Mostly, I think so. It wasn't the most well thought out game because of so much scrambling to basically rewrite the series in a hasty set of contrivances, but a lot would have been overlookedfi the story had wound up tightly and coherently (and with much better production value than the earth sequences had).

[milena87]

I'd say yes. I didn't like some choices they made with ME2, but the game had some amazing moments and a good ending and I could ignore the things I was disappointed about.

ME3 was the same as ME2 until the ending: it not only destroyed my enjoyment of the series, but it also made all the other flaws the more evident.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Nope. The game disappointed me more than the ending did.

And honestly, I'm not sure how the ending had a snowball's chance of being great when the overall plot was so convoluted and plothole ridden.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Greylycantrope wrote...

You know while I was playing I was thinking, "this game has flaws but that's alright the ending is going to be epic. I'm sure they ignored all these other problems just to give us an awesome and fulfilling conclusion. The other things can be amended later with DLC."

I was a fool.

This. My thoughts exactly.

[Zaxares]

alec1898 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

Not really, the journal and fetch quests were just so rushed but I wouldn't be as disappointed with the game as I am now.

Hey, I overheard you needed some hairspray, so I flew my ship through six mass relays, bought 20000 credits worth of fuel, evaded reapers, and scanned a planet for hours for your hairspray.


+300 War Assets (Hairspray girl)

Hey, you never know! It might have been Aisha Ashland, heir to the multi-billion (trillion?) dollar Eldfeld-Ashland energy company. 

[dublin omega 223]

I'd forgive everything if the Normandy crew didn't go off and the Relays weren't blown to kingdom come and the Star Child wasn't in the game as well as Shepard surviving.

Sadly that can't happen.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 29 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[Feixeno]

Yes? Every other problem I have with Mass Effect 3 is something I can tolerate. The ending is intolerable.

[wright1978]

Feixeno wrote...

Yes? Every other problem I have with Mass Effect 3 is something I can tolerate. The ending is intolerable.

I really hate the auto-dialogue in ME3 but even that wouldn't have stopped me importing the sheps i have queued up. So yes other stuff is tolerably horrible but ending isn't tolerable.

[dorky24]

Not really. The only way to be forgiven if the endings blew my mind. Otherwise, there was enough wrong with the game elsewhere that really detracted from the immersion for me.

[Bludger133]

Armass81 wrote...

Would you have forgiven most/all the other things if the ending for ME3 was great?

According to Dr Daniel Kahneman we all would have : www.youtube.com/watch

[MzAdventure]

I would. For all the other flaws, I was really enjoying the game prior to the ending. And then... I was not.

To have Space Grandpa Buzz and the "buy DLC" tag at the end after such an off-putting ending was truly insult to injury.

I'm not sure I can forgive now, but I *want* to... I've loved BioWare's games for a long time now.

[Montana]

Yeah I'd pretty much have been satisfied if the game ended properly.

[Teroseth]

It wasn't the best game in the series prior to the ending, but it was shaping up to be a solid ending to the series overall, getting closure on the genophage, the geth and the quarians, finally meeting a prothean and finding out they're nothing like the supreme beings we thought they were. Sure, there were some niggles, the dream sequences.... Kai Leng...Vega...boring ass fetch quests that seemed just well, lazy....game would've been a good 8.5/9 if the ending had been better, or hell, not there. It would've been less insulting if the game had ended after harbingers beam and then we got the grandpa scene and the plea to buy dlc.

[Joccaren]

Yes. I would.

I would forgive the linearity, the auto dialogue, the overall lack of choice, the even greater hit or missness of the dialogue compared to normal, the retarded dreams, the crap that was the intro, and pretty much everything else in the game if sufficient effort had been put into the ending. As it is, it feels like the whole game is rushed - the ending far more so than the rest.

[Oransel]

Never to forget! Never to forgive!