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[Fingertrip]

Useless on gold. Anything is better.

[Sailears]

mistervirginia wrote...

Micah3sixty wrote...

My guess is you've only played him on Bronze or Silver. Gold is much trickier as he becomes much squishier and the close range required for Smash puts you right in the face of the enemy, basically melee range. Still hoping to find a strategy that makes him more viable on Gold, but I'm quickly losing interest in either of the ex-cerb classes. Justicar is much funner and more survive-able.

but on Gold, what would you do about things like Brutes and Geth Prime... Atlas'?  i haven't tried him on Gold.  maybe there is no good build for Gold 

You can make a lot of things work with enough practice and patience (not to mention grinding for equipment ).

If a drell vanguard can beast through gold, then I'm sure there's a way for the cerberus vanguard to do the same. I just haven't found out how to do it properly yet!

[Adragalus]

mistervirginia wrote...

Saradas85 wrote...

I'm still level 15 with CV but after 5 matches I don't like it very much. His low health makes him squishy, not to mention that Smash has an infinite animation that get you killed a lot of times if you don't know what you are doing. Lash on the other hand is a very nice skill, useful and with short cooldown. One thing I noticed is that if you pair him with another CV or CA, he becomes much more useful

that's because you're a lvl 15.  max out Charge at 6 for barrier and you'll be fine.  i feel like this guy is more closely related to the Krogan Battlemaster, where you rely more on Charge as a way to keep you alive.  i also feel like there may be some balance changes with this guy.

I think it's well-balanced as it is, powerful but squishy.

My only suggestion would be invicibility/reduced damage frames during the animation for Smash. You're still vulnerable with a 3sec cooldown afterwards, but this would prevent being cut down before even finishing the move.

[Feirefiz1972]

mistervirginia wrote...

i'd also like to try out:
Biotic Charge: Force & Damage (4), Power Synergy (5), Barrier (6)
Smash: Biotic Combo (4), Force and Damage (5), Armor Damage (6)
Lash: N/A
Phoenix Training: Damage and Capacity (4), Power Damage (5), Pistols and Shotguns (6)
Fitness: Melee Damage (4), Martial Artist (5), Melee Synergy (6)

this should pwn all, even on Gold mate. i switched rank 4 evo of Charge to pure damage and rank 6 of Fitness for more melee damage.  i wonder if a smash/melee followed by a charge would kill everything on Gold.  hmmm

I thought lash was to good to pass up on so i did a 6,6,6,0,6. I put zero points on phoenix training, with lash this vanguard has good synergy with other biotics. Smash is a little to up close for my taste and it puts biotic charge on a cooldown and i would prefer to use it from cover. To bad that lash does not affect armor so you could profit from biotic combos on bosses from a save distance, but i guess that it would make him overpowered.

Modifié par Feirefiz1972, 31 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Black Phantom]

Ryan_H wrote...

I didn't put anything into smash. I thought he might be able to setup a detonate with the lash and the explode it with the biotic charge--nope.

The no smash build is great for being a team player vanguard vs the lone wolf vanguard. It allows you to spam lash on distant enemies and use charge only on close by enemies.

I will probably try to find a happy medium as I love smash on my human adept and would love to charge, melee, smash as well as lash from a distance. 

EDIT:  I've never been a vanguard till this new HA.  I play mainly support builds.

Smash is even better for a "team player" because it can set up multiple biotic detonations at once, and CC enemies.

[T41rdEye]

I'm thinking of ignoring lash on the vanguard, since you need those points for melee/fitness. Can't ignore Phoenix training, weapon + power damage + weight decrease is to much to pass on. I'm loving the Talon on this class, fits the Cerby theme. I like to use race specific weapons when possible.

[Pekkan]

Phoenix training gives potentially 45% more power (damage) and force (damage and better crowd control).

6/6/6/5/3 felt nice, compensate with the uncommon shield gear (at the V level 30% more shields) and shield consumables.

[Fisterbear]

Ryan_H wrote...

I didn't put anything into smash. I thought he might be able to setup a detonate with the lash and the explode it with the biotic charge--nope.

The no smash build is great for being a team player vanguard vs the lone wolf vanguard. It allows you to spam lash on distant enemies and use charge only on close by enemies.

I will probably try to find a happy medium as I love smash on my human adept and would love to charge, melee, smash as well as lash from a distance. 

EDIT:  I've never been a vanguard till this new HA.  I play mainly support builds.

This is how I play mine.

And to the guy who said smash is shockwave on steroids? So a slower activation, and less range is what happens when you take steroids?

Modifié par Fisterbear, 31 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[CptBomBom00]

Yeah, I use ECV and its freaking monster, I use Escivator 4 I think and Arc pistol 2.

[squaredgonzo]

Useless on gold. Anything is better.

 

 

wrong. l2p

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Clearly, only a n00b would play a kit with less than 1000 base shields. So why is this even still being discussed?

 

...Seriously, awesome revival - must have taken a whole jumbo pack of medigel.