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New Sci-fi sandbox RPG from CDPR is coming! It's called Cyberpunk 2077.


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[quote]Seagloom wrote...

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That last sentence hits my main gripe. I see and experience my share of dreariness in life as it is. There are times when it can be torturous for me. That does not mean I stick my head in the sand and avoid darker stories whenever I can. It is just getting tiresome that most recent CRPGs I can think of are about life in crapholes, or characters trying to improve crapholes unsuccessfully. :P

I'm all for exploring difficult themes in stories. I only wish there were more stories that ended on a hopeful note, or reminded me that hey, not *everything* has to suck all the time.

Also, let's face it: while cyberpunk may have been intended as all these things you write of, I think some of these developers are not trying to share a message so much as shock their audience. They mistakenly believe that sets them apart from the crowd when it doesn't.

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On a side note, agreed with termokanden on Bloodlines. It's true it isn't cyberpunk, but I don't think being a vampire is a step up in that universe as you imply, android. That said, Bloodlines doesn't do as great a job at conveying that as the tabletop setting it was based on. It's very clear from those materials that being a vampire mostly sucks (pun intended), and results in an existence of personal horror until the last vestiges of one's humanity are torn away by either madness or impulse.
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True, many developers are not doing it for the political or reasons of social commentary, but Cyberpunk was created for that purpose but if you ever read Neuromancer (the book written by one of the first authors to use the term cyberpunk) or have seen Portmanteau of Cybernetics and Punk[/quote], you'll know that it's purpose was intended to "preach" about the ills of society and not merely depress for the sake of being edgy. So while a developer could be using these things to just be dark, a lot of them touch on these subjects and if you look for it you can find a lot of food for thought. If you're a politcally or socially inclined individual, then Cyberpunk is the genre for you, but if you don't have the constitution to envelop yourself in real dark themes, then you're going to miss out on a lot of things that could potentially change your outlook on life and yourself.

I don't know how familiar you are with bloodlines, but losing one's "humanity" isn't that big of an issue since none of the houses within or outside of the Camarilla care much for humans. Becoming a vampire means your are rocketed to the top of the social and physical food chain. You literally go from being food for a species in every way your better to being one of them. It's pretty much a "rags to riches" kind of story.

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Not sure why, but I really enjoy bleak, dark and depressing settings for games, movies and fiction.

Dystopian and post apocalyptic settings are probably my favorites. Perhaps there is something inherently exciting about the struggle for survival in a harsh world.

Modifié par naughty99, 30 mai 2012 - 12:09 .


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@android

Considering I finished it over eight times, very familiar with it. It's true Bloodlines doesn't do a good job of conveying how trapped and helpless fledgings are. It puts you into the role of a badass that accomplishes all these extraordinary things that in the tabletop setting would be nigh impossible for a neonate to pull off.

All that stuff about adjusting to life as a vampire is mostly swept under the rug. Whereas in the tabletop game most vampires go crazy as they adjust to turning their back on everything they were to survive. All while being bullied and(or) manipulated by elders. Now, I wouldn't compare WoD's Vampire to a well written novel, but it's definitely intended as horror and is nowhere near heroic fantasy.

Anyway, enough of my Vampire tangents. :P

I'm hugely into sociology and read more than my fair share of books and blogs on a variety of issues and insights on society. Most of those books aren't of the fictional variety, though. That's likely from being introduced to this stuff through a college sociology course in the late 90s. I usually gravitate towards books skewing academic as a result. I've read a few novels everyone probably has such as Brave New World, but that's about it for fiction. I *might* be interested in cyberpunk stories. I wouldn't mind looking into Neuromancer. No guarantees I'll fall in love with the genre. ;)

I tend to keep my entertainment reading and my thought exercise reading separate. That doesn't mean I want to turn my brain off every time I play a game, but I do like my escapism to feel like an escape sometimes.

Modifié par Seagloom, 30 mai 2012 - 12:27 .


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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Guess this is why I'm not a big cyberpunk fan. I loved Ghost in the Shell when I first saw it in the 90s. At the same time, it was a pretty depressing story. I'm getting burned out on depressing stories. Lately it feels like every big RPG wants to spin this tale of how life is ultimately hopeless, and how struggling against that reality is an exercise in futility. Looks like that is what I can expect from this game if the genre exudes it. :mellow:

Doesn't mean I'll give it a pass based on it being cyberpunk, but it does mean I'll approach it leerily.

This, absolutely all of this.

I thought ME was going to be different. But nope, it just decided to go along with that trope like almost all other mainstream sci-fi right now. (Another reason why the "artistic integrity" argument holds no water)


I agree with Seagloom too. I don't think all RPGs are aiming to be depressing and dark, but the genre is definitely going through a 'Let's be like Game of Thrones' phase in that absolutely everyone gets screwed and no one can ever be happy. That's what's selling.

Well, that and '50 Shades of Grey'. ;)

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Will be keeping an eye on this.

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Seagloom wrote...

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Considering I finished it over eight times, very familiar with it. It's true Bloodlines doesn't do a good job of conveying how trapped and helpless fledgings are. It puts you into the role of a badass that accomplishes all these extraordinary things that in the tabletop setting would be nigh impossible for a neonate to pull off.

All that stuff about adjusting to life as a vampire is mostly swept under the rug. Whereas in the tabletop game most vampires go crazy as they adjust to turning their back on everything they were to survive. All while being bullied and(or) manipulated by elders. Now, I wouldn't compare WoD's Vampire to a well written novel, but it's definitely intended as horror and is nowhere near heroic fantasy.

Anyway, enough of my Vampire tangents. :P

I'm hugely into sociology and read more than my fair share of books and blogs on a variety of issues and insights on society. Most of those books aren't of the fictional variety, though. That's likely from being introduced to this stuff through a college sociology course in the late 90s. I usually gravitate towards books skewing academic as a result. I've read a few novels everyone probably has such as Brave New World, but that's about it for fiction. I *might* be interested in cyberpunk stories. I wouldn't mind looking into Neuromancer. No guarantees I'll fall in love with the genre. ;)

I tend to keep my entertainment reading and my thought exercise reading separate. That doesn't mean I want to turn my brain off every time I play a game, but I do like my escapism to feel like an escape sometimes.


Well, I don't play table top RPGs, that's too hardcore for me. In the game, it's very clear that vampires are top dog on earth and you've been lucky enough to be inducted into this new species which reigns over all other species. It's a little like going from being little orphan Annie to being adopted by a billionaire.

If you find value in things like A Brave New World, THX 1138, 1984, etc then you've already engaged in Cyberpunk literature and film. Since you have an interest in sociology, I would recommend you to see THX 1138. It will break your heart, in a good way. That is if you give it the undivided attention it deserves.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Guess this is why I'm not a big cyberpunk fan. I loved Ghost in the Shell when I first saw it in the 90s. At the same time, it was a pretty depressing story. I'm getting burned out on depressing stories. Lately it feels like every big RPG wants to spin this tale of how life is ultimately hopeless, and how struggling against that reality is an exercise in futility. Looks like that is what I can expect from this game if the genre exudes it. :mellow:

Doesn't mean I'll give it a pass based on it being cyberpunk, but it does mean I'll approach it leerily.

This, absolutely all of this.

I thought ME was going to be different. But nope, it just decided to go along with that trope like almost all other mainstream sci-fi right now. (Another reason why the "artistic integrity" argument holds no water)


I agree with Seagloom too. I don't think all RPGs are aiming to be depressing and dark, but the genre is definitely going through a 'Let's be like Game of Thrones' phase in that absolutely everyone gets screwed and no one can ever be happy. That's what's selling.

Well, that and '50 Shades of Grey'. ;)


OH MY GOD! Don't read Fifty shades! It will make you hate literature forever. Also, the trope of keeping everyone unhappy forever in television was done first in Buffy.:P

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Does anyone think we'll get a customizable protagonist or will it be like witcher and deus ex? Cause I think they should give customizable protagonist a shot.

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His hair has been augmented.

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xsdob wrote...

Does anyone think we'll get a customizable protagonist or will it be like witcher and deus ex? Cause I think they should give customizable protagonist a shot.


I imagine there is a good possibility, as this project is not based on a series of novels like The Witcher.

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Looks okay, But I think that "Among the Sleep" will be better.

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Not sure this is my kinda thing, but I'm sure I have friends who'll keep an eye on it..

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I hope it's a set character, just with different hairstyle.

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would be good if this turns out to be a RPG based tactical shooter gameplay.

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bobobo878 wrote...

Looks okay, But I think that "Among the Sleep" will be better.


And I think Wasteland 2 will be better than Among the Sleep.  Image IPB

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Hmmmmm...........

The art isn't my thing at all.

Hmmmmm......let's see how CDPR does when creating an IP from scratch....(I guess?) I'd rather see them finish the Witcher series & not multitask, but whatever.

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Persephone wrote...

Hmmmmm...........

The art isn't my thing at all.

Hmmmmm......let's see how CDPR does when creating an IP from scratch....(I guess?) I'd rather see them finish the Witcher series & not multitask, but whatever.


Well they are hiring new people so I don't think the Witcher team is being split up well excep for the guys who left and did their own thing.

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Skelter192 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Hmmmmm...........

The art isn't my thing at all.

Hmmmmm......let's see how CDPR does when creating an IP from scratch....(I guess?) I'd rather see them finish the Witcher series & not multitask, but whatever.


Well they are hiring new people so I don't think the Witcher team is being split up well excep for the guys who left and did their own thing.


Oh, new people to do new plots.

Now this could either be very GOOD or very AWFUL.

Depending. But like I said, I do not like the teaser pic at all. Then again, it's just a teaser. So yeah, I am :o about this.<3

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I'm not a big fan of Cyberpunk, but I'm still interested.

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CDPR is becoming popular. It's only a matter of time before EA decides to ruin another gaming company.

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Ravensword wrote...

CDPR is becoming popular. It's only a matter of time before EA decides to ruin another gaming company.

CDPR has GoodOldGames just like Valve has Steam.  They'll be fine.

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Ravensword wrote...

CDPR is becoming popular. It's only a matter of time before EA decides to ruin another gaming company.


Too bad they already have a publisher?:whistle:

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Ravensword wrote...

CDPR is becoming popular. It's only a matter of time before EA decides to ruin another gaming company.


I don't know how many times this needs to be said but...*deep breath*

CDPR doesn't need to be bought out by another company. Their lowest point of income is their video game sales. They make more money through GoG and games distribution for eastern Europe. This is why they can afford to make what are essentially niche games.

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Also, the trope of keeping everyone unhappy forever in television was done first in Buffy.:P


A tactic which Whedon later used to an even greater degree when he did Angel.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

android654 wrote...
Also, the trope of keeping everyone unhappy forever in television was done first in Buffy.:P


A tactic which Whedon later used to an even greater degree when he did Angel.


Egads, yes.

I loved that show though.:wub:

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Dear God,

Make CD Projekt develop an RPG with fully customizable characters. I've always wanted to recreate Motoko Kasunagi in a cyberpunk game.