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[RedArmyShogun]

When in Doubt ask a Goth I say, then shove them off a bridge..I mean report them falling after a sack of oranges they just bought and droped over the side of a bridge.

[Fast Jimmy]

AdamJenson wrote...

Have you ever been shot in the head?  

No. Have you?

One shot is all it takes, often even if you have a ballistic helmet on (depending on the rifle) and even if not, CONCUSSION!  Maybe even TBI.

Have you ever been stabbed in the head with a sword? One slice is all it takes, even with a plate mail helmet on. And even if not... CONCUSION!

You don't get to take 20 or so rounds to the body either.  Sure, there are things that HAVE to be done to make a game playable/fun (like medicine or magic to rejuvinate you when you are injured) or most games would end very quickly for you in the very first fight, like as soon as you stood up from behind some cover.  BLAM.  You're deaders. 

Fantasy combat can at least be plausibly suspended, since everyone is wearing armor. In almost every cyber punk, steam punk, post-apocalyptic world, etc., there are hardly ever characters running around with any real protection at all. A black leather vest, while cool looking, could absorb a bunch at best, a knife if wielded by a moron... but not a gun. The mohawk guy posted in the OP would be shredded to bits with one blast of an SMG. But I'm guessing it will take at least twenty rounds to take him down if he is main character.

[mupp3tz]

termokanden wrote...

Android: Point out to me the one true definition of what a dark game is. If you can't, it becomes a matter of opinion instead.

I think the extent to which it affects you is debatable, but typically it addresses ills or unfavorable aspects of society: i.e. rape, poverty, murder, corruption, despair, hopelessness, etc. 

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 30 mai 2012 - 05:08 .

[wolfsite]

You know the real nice thing about a new IP from CDproject?

They won't constantly open up there conferences with Witcher 2 propaganda.

[mupp3tz]

The guy looks reaaaal tired.

[AdamJenson]

Aeowyn wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

AdamJenson wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

The same can be said about shooter games...

Why should a "modern" or near future or future/sci-fi game be a "shooter"?  I'm not talking shooter.

I liked the fairly high uniqueness of ME because it was sci-fi, NOT all wizardy and warriory.  My Shepard wasn't "grizzled", he was a pretty normal military type.  I COULD have done without the spillover from the typical fantasy genre, however (biotics ARE the same as wizards or mages in fantasy games - that is just plain magic right there but in sci-fi clothing).  

As for my namesake and DEHR, he wasn't "grizzled" either...just an ex-cop doing corporate security who gets swept up into something MUCH bigger than he bargained for or expected.  I like that.  

In any case, ALL stories are trope.  All stories have been told before in ways that have been done before...some have just been done WAY more than others (*COUGH!*wizards!*COUGH*swordsman*COUGH*some kind of "dark spawn" magicky thing spreading*COUGH!).  More of the former, much less of the latter thank you.  With a cherry on top.

And not ALL fantasy games HAS to be about magic and wizards. A simple political game set in a medieval setting would work just fine.

But that could work in ANY setting.  You could set it in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 2300s, contemporaneously...there's nothing there that demands leather and chainmail.

Except that the use of leather and chainmail was normal during medieval times. Not everyone could afford armour and a lot of people went to battle wearing some scruffy clothing, but you being sick of leather and chainmail =/= it shouldn't be used in fantasy.

MOST fantasy RPGs have magic.  Virtually all of them in fact.  If not some flame-spouting dragons, then some Sauron-like enemy controlling a hoarding monster army.  There are always wizards or mages or witches. 

In any case, I was just commenting on your statement that you could do a political RPG set in a medieval setting.  Why?  What screams medieval about that sort of plot other than just for the hell of it?  And if you want to say something like "most people went to battle in some scruffy clothing" (meaning strips of leather, etc) sure, but they were also all men.  If you want to get realisticky in the mold of medieval, you're going to have to lose the heroic women warriors, etc.  Hell, only knights had armor and horses.  ALL knights were men.  All footmen were serfs and were fodder and wore rags and were lucky to even have leather.

Just saying.  Yeah, it's FANTASY but that word and genre also comes with always-present baggage: Mages or wizards or witches.  Check.  Everyone has a sword or bow-and-arrow. Check.  The dark hoards of monsters or evilly enchanted are advancing and expanding.  Check.  Fight in Mortal Kombat style, all jumpy and spiny and kung fu-ey and silly (NO one fought like that even then, not even a samuari - no acrobatics, leaps, spins, flying jumping spindizzy stuff).  

Ya'll want to dig at shooting combative but the real deal with swords and arrows and spears was not the pretty, dancy, flighty acrobatics of the game.  No cartwheels, no backflips, no forward flips over the enemy while you unaccountably slash them with your huge sword, etc.  Just sweaty, short, exhausting semi-desperate swinging of sword and pew-pew-pew with bows-and-arrows, most of which missed.

[termokanden]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I think the extent to which it affects you is debatable, but typically it addresses ills or unfavorable aspects of society: i.e. rape, poverty, murder, corruption, despair, hopelessness, etc. 

I would think it could be on a more personal level as well rather than just dealing with the ills of society.

[wolfsite]

Working on 2 RPG's.

[Kris69]

Great, TW2 site is offline, guess we ddos'ed it...****ing great, I wont be able to watch it.

[Aeowyn]

wolfsite wrote...

You know the real nice thing about a new IP from CDproject?

They won't constantly open up there conferences with Witcher 2 propaganda.

Well it's normal to discuss the year with their latest games and how well it sold. Nothing odd there.

[termokanden]

There's a reason I'm waiting to read about it later

[android654]

termokanden wrote...

Android: Point out to me the one true definition of what a dark game is. If you can't, it becomes a matter of opinion instead.

Well in order for a game to be dark, it's story has to be dark. That means having a subject matter, characters and dialogue that support or try to support the bleak reality that is that story. Heavy Rain, Max Payne 2, Max Payne 3, Amnesia The Dark Descent, Alan Wake and Deus Ex are all examples of a "dark" game. Whether they succeed in delivering the sense of being dark to every personis debateable. However, unlike Masquerades none of the aforementioned titles allow dialogue options from the player or those interacting with them to deliver humor so large that it interrupts the seriousness of their situation, nor does the world they inhabit have a lot of room to detract from that theme.

Masquerades is fun, I love it, but it's not serious, dark, nor was it meant to be.

[wolfsite]

Kris69 wrote...

Great, TW2 site is offline, guess we ddos'ed it...****ing great, I wont be able to watch it.

You can watch it on GOG.com

[mupp3tz]

termokanden wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I think the extent to which it affects you is debatable, but typically it addresses ills or unfavorable aspects of society: i.e. rape, poverty, murder, corruption, despair, hopelessness, etc. 

I would think it could be on a more personal level as well rather than just dealing with the ills of society.

Yes, of course!  The ills of society obviously leads to an affected protagonist.  Are you watching the stream? :]

[mupp3tz]

wolfsite wrote...

Kris69 wrote...

Great, TW2 site is offline, guess we ddos'ed it...****ing great, I wont be able to watch it.

You can watch it on GOG.com

Facebook stream.. it's not just on GOG.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 30 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[Kris69]

Are you guys getting a huge ass lag aswell?

[wolfsite]

Kris69 wrote...

Are you guys getting a huge ass lag aswell?

Nope.

[android654]

This dude needs a f*cking nap.

[mupp3tz]

Kris69 wrote...

Are you guys getting a huge ass lag aswell?

Yeah, a bit.  Just now it's getting a tad choppy.

[android654]

I love that CDPR loves their fans so much. It's a big deal to me when people actually care about their products and those that purchase them.

[termokanden]

Android: I think there is a very bleak reality in Bloodlines actually, but it's presented with so much humor that you sometimes forget it. I do think the game has a somewhat serious story behind it though.

I feel like this is derailing the thread though. I hate watching live streams for some odd reason so I'll come back and read more about the game later.