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[Dont Kaidan Me]

Just to be clear... this is first and foremost a social media issue. Preference for specific characters and all that jazz is secondary.

The core problem is the fact that social media was used to establish a storyline outside of the game. And worse yet, they were not diligent in assuring those who aren't glued to their iphones 24-7 would know this was happening.

The only way I knew about the Twitter kill was from reading it here, a couple of months after finishing the game. Doesn't do me much good then, does it? Tweet promotions or what have you... but don't use it for publishing ME content... no matter how minor or inconsequential.

I have also asked numerous times whether the shoe design foray included a way to submit a design without signing into or having a Facebook account. I never received a response, nor did the many others who asked this.

Good to know they're on top of all the MP stuff though. Lovely.

ETA: Social media is like a free candy store
and the corporations are the kids. Period.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 30 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[G00N3R7883]

NO. Multiplied by 1000.

If you want something to be canon, put it in the game.

[CARL_DF90]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Just to be clear... this is first and foremost a social media issue. Preference for specific characters and all that jazz is secondary.

The core problem is the fact that social media was used to establish a storyline outside of the game. And worse yet, they were not diligent in assuring those who aren't glued to their iphones 24-7 would know this was happening.

The only way I knew about the Twitter kill was from reading it here, a couple of months after finishing the game. Doesn't do me much good then, does it? Tweet promotions or what have you... but don't use it for publishing ME content... no matter how minor or inconsequential.

I have also asked numerous times whether the shoe design foray included a way to submit a design without signing into or having a Facebook account. I never received a response, nor did the many others who asked this.

Good to know they're on top of all the MP stuff though. Lovely.

ETA: Social media is like a free candy store
and the corporations are the kids. Period.

So much this. ^

I love how the devs NOT think some things through.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Was it a character from the ME series?

Did BioWare's writers write it?

If the answer to those two questions is "yes", it's canon. Regardless of where it happens.

You don't like it. I don't care. Emily went out like a ****ing champ and we should honor her sacrifice, not try to demean it by whining about Twitter.

Less QQ. More pew pew.

[Darth Malice113]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Was it a character from the ME series?

Did BioWare's writers write it?

If the answer to those two questions is "yes", it's canon. Regardless of where it happens.

You don't like it. I don't care. Emily went out like a ****ing champ and we should honor her sacrifice, not try to demean it by whining about Twitter.

Less QQ. More pew pew.

 

Oh look, here come the white knights to defend any oversight the Devs made,wrong or right. Big surprise.

I honestly don't know why people continue to excuse poor decision making.


Twitter can be the PR departments dream because it's essentially free advertising. They use it to generate buzz.

But to use it as a narrative device or to post Codex entries for something that should be in the actual game. That's nonsense.

Media outlets try to use Twitter to be more hip and relevent. Sometimes it's ok, but more often than not it's just lame. (One of the reasons I stopped watching the local news.)


I'm not that interested in Emily Wong, but her death should have mentioned  been in the game.

[Midz]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Was it a character from the ME series?

Did BioWare's writers write it?

If the answer to those two questions is "yes", it's canon. Regardless of where it happens.

You don't like it. I don't care. Emily went out like a ****ing champ and we should honor her sacrifice, not try to demean it by whining about Twitter.

Less QQ. More pew pew.

 

Oh look, here come the white knights to defend any oversight the Devs made,wrong or right. Big surprise.

I honestly don't know why people continue to excuse poor decision making.


Twitter can be the PR departments dream because it's essentially free advertising. They use it to generate buzz.

But to use it as a narrative device or to post Codex entries for something that should be in the actual game. That's nonsense.

Media outlets try to use Twitter to be more hip and relevent. Sometimes it's ok, but more often than not it's just lame. (One of the reasons I stopped watching the local news.)


I'm not that interested in Emily Wong, but her death should have mentioned  been in the game.

And I do not understand why people try to make  drama over nothing with misrepresentation of facts  ,un proven innuendo  and  self rightous indignation.

1) Was not is  not a  major charachter  if not for twitter  would have faded into the night unseen .

2) You were not  forced  to join twitter  , it was all dutifully reported here on BN  thats where i saw it and  on other media.So that canard  is as dead as a duck.

3) At  the time  the threads were viewed  heavily  and  the comments  were virtually 100 per cent positive .I.E most thought it was  brilliant .....So why  dig  this dead  dog  up now  why  not  comment  at  the  time?

.All of you screaming    nearly were members  BN then .Some  of  you can claim   never saw  but  some  of  you cannot  you  have  posts in the  thread !!!!!.

                so this  is just opportunistic  hypocrisy  at best .

4)  if  you bothered  to look and  no  ,as said  you  did not   do not  need twitter the way  it was done  was actually  good and   strangely  well written.

  All i see  hear  is herd instinct......  bioware bad  bioware bad repeated ..

I am sorry the meme repeat a lie often enough and  it will inevitably become  the truth  seems  to be the modus operandi  of  many posters  here.


and yes my english  is bad before  i get the usual grammar retort.

[Darth Malice113]

So it's ok for them to use twitter as a narrative device?

Ok then. 

If this is acceptable then they should have ended the game at the Conduit. Then told us what happened via twitter.

Because twitter is now an acceptable form of narrative storytelling.

It's ok because even if you don't use twitter, you can find out how the game ended by coming to the forums. Problem?

Maybe they should have done the whole romance thing via twitter too.

Twitter is so hip! Don't you want to be trendy and hip too?

I mean, it's not like these things should be in the actual game. That's crazy talk.

[fealhach]

Twitter shouldn't be a developer's version of Death Note.

[bennyjammin79]

I'm just going to keep posting this until somebody can answer me:

Basically what I'm seeing here is that since people didn't have Twitter, Emily Wong should be alive. What about those who don't have the books or the comics? What makes Twitter any less a valid candidate as a medium than books or comics?

Somebody please, please, PLEASE explain this to me.

[bennyjammin79]

What's that? Nobody can answer my questions?

Modifié par bennyjammin79, 30 mai 2012 - 09:27 .

[bennyjammin79]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Because twitter is now an acceptable form of narrative storytelling.

Why not genius? Please grace us with the reasoning as to why Twitter isn't an acceptable medium for storytelling. Go on. Podium is yours. Let's hear it.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

bennyjammin79 wrote...
I'm just going to keep posting this until somebody can answer me:

Basically what I'm seeing here is that since people didn't have Twitter, Emily Wong should be alive. What about those who don't have the books or the comics? What makes Twitter any less a valid candidate as a medium than books or comics?

Somebody please, please, PLEASE explain this to me.

Go back and read a number of posts that would actually not indicate that this is about people not having Twitter and therefore negating a character's death. Not seeing the leap in logic that's connecting the two for you. For your convenience, I will repost what I said before:

Just to be clear... this is first and foremost a social media issue.
Preference for specific characters and all that jazz is secondary.

The core problem is the fact that social media was used to establish a
storyline outside of the game. And worse yet, they were not diligent in
assuring those who aren't glued to their iphones 24-7 would know this
was happening.

The only way I knew about the Twitter kill was from reading it here, a couple of months after finishing the game. Doesn't do me much good then, does it? Tweet promotions or what have you... but don't use it for publishing ME content... no matter how minor or inconsequential.

I have also asked numerous times whether the shoe design foray included a way to submit a design without signing into or having a Facebook account. I never received a response, nor did the many others who asked this.

Good to know they're on top of all the MP stuff though. Lovely.

ETA: Social media is like a free candy store
and the corporations are the kids. Period.

Twitter is not a valid medium. It is not a specialized piece of material devoted strictly to, for instance, the ME series. It is a social media venue. It is not a creative publication. It is a giant cesspool of everything from "OMG! I love Justin Bieber!" to "Winning!" to "Buy our fantastic products!"

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 30 mai 2012 - 09:35 .

[Darth Malice113]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

I'm just going to keep posting this until somebody can answer me:

Basically what I'm seeing here is that since people didn't have Twitter, Emily Wong should be alive. What about those who don't have the books or the comics? What makes Twitter any less a valid candidate as a medium than books or comics?

Somebody please, please, PLEASE explain this to me.

So to you typing a paragraph or to on twitter is the same thing as publishing a comic book?


Lulz.

Try again.

[Darth Malice113]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

I'm just going to keep posting this until somebody can answer me:

Basically what I'm seeing here is that since people didn't have Twitter, Emily Wong should be alive. What about those who don't have the books or the comics? What makes Twitter any less a valid candidate as a medium than books or comics?

Somebody please, please, PLEASE explain this to me.

So to you typing a paragraph or to on twitter is the same thing as publishing a comic book?


Lulz.

You do know there is a big difference between putting a book or novel into production and typing a few keys on your smartphone right?



Answer me this.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 30 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[bennyjammin79]

Darth,

You're an idiot.

[bennyjammin79]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

*snip*

Because you don't like it isn't an answer.

[Darth Malice113]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Darth,

You're an idiot.

And reported.

Clearly you can't back up your arguement with reason or logic.

I'm not the one who can't  distinguish between a publication and twitter.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 30 mai 2012 - 09:43 .

[Kajan451]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

What makes Twitter any less a valid candidate as a medium than books or comics? 

Somebody please, please, PLEASE explain this to me.

Find me the Twitter announcements for the "The Gotham Times" Promotion of The Dark Knight, please.


You don't have to, mind you, because i don't really care about them, but unlike a Book and Comics, which are reprinted and easily accessed, stored in public libaries so people will have access to them in years to come, a Twitter Feed, even though it is also stored and preserved, its a PITA to actually find that stuff.

Right now, you have to spend serious effort to even find that stuff. Many people only heard they killed off one of the well liked secondary Characters (Oh and to the previous poster... no she wouldn't have gone unnoticed, i actually wondered what happened to her and thought we might meet her later. After all the punching bag was in the game as well).

Its hard enough to even track down news articles from 2 years ago, over the internet... can you even imagine how hard it is to track down a Twitter Feed?

If you can do it in a matter of minutes, Kudos to your google-fu. For me, it probably ranges closer to half an hour, and thats just because its more recent. And even then its a serious time investment.

Unlike a Book or a Comic where i pick the ISBN and hit my local bookstore up, order it via Amazon or something and most likely have it at my home a day later without any investment.

And actually i can go to our public libary and read all the Mass Effect Books and Comics there. Thats what they are there for (the Libaries).


This is just one, even though i think the most serious problem. The other reasons are "secondary" reasons like not wanting to have everything connected (like it seems to be a trend to have superaccounts via google or facebook, so the guys like those boys and girls from Annonymous only have to hack into 1 place), or not wanting everyone to take a tour through your life for the rest of your life, because even though its difficult to find, its usually the stuff you don't want to be found returns with a vengance 10 years later.

Especially Social Networks where some of your friends might think its funny to post that one picture of you drunk, making a copy of your 4 letters, with a big smiley on it, so that you actually don't even have control over it. And then best of all things they posted it on Facebook where they don't ever delete anything, just hide it, so that in 10 years from now, when you apply for that big promotion you been working said 4 letters off, risked your family and relationship in pursuit and then one bored boss and a google search later you get called into the office and told that "such goofballs couldn't be relied on with such an important task of representing the company"... And thats just one of those many blissful things Social Networks bring, that noone cares about, noone thinks it will happen to them and that actually ruin your life when you least expect them to.

I am not speaking from experiance and i admit i am a bit of a doomsayer, but social networks have a place, but as of late they start to take a way to important role in every aspect of our life.

And for me, this isn't about the Character they killed, or that they brought some nice and neat story snippit somewhere that you most likely have already forgotten about and will be hard pressed to produce in even a couple months from now... for me its actually just that i don't want Social Networks in every damn aspect of my life.

They serve their purpose and for my job i am actually needing to use Facebook and Twitter, its how i keep in touch with the people that follow my work, but there goes nothing about my private life on it, and i don't want social networks in any aspect of my private life. Least of all places... my Videogames.

I don't want to have to log onto Social Networks, like Adds and Commercials just to get a snippit of information. I am sifting through thousands of emails every day, and the last thing i want is needing to follow RSS feeds for games just so i don't miss a part of the story.


Books and Comics, those i can buy, i can put them on my shelf and they are there for the rest of my life (or until i donate them to the libary). Twitter Feeds.... yeah, i can print them out. But for that i need to know its there, and certainly.. i didn't know. Even if i had known there was such a feed going on, i probably wouldn't have checked into it.

Why? Because you don't do relevant stuff on a medium that is as persistent as a puff of smoke.


Edit:

*sighs* Apologies for the little rant and i guess the textwall of death had to happen in a topic like this.

Modifié par Kajan451, 30 mai 2012 - 09:43 .

[bennyjammin79]

Darth Malice113 wrote...
So to you typing a paragraph or to on twitter is the same thing as publishing a comic book?

Lulz.

 
And somebody writing lines into bubbles on a comic is different how? Oh wait, it isn't.

You do know there is a big difference between putting a book or novel into production and typing a few keys on your smartphone right?

Answer me this.

Of course it's different. Why such a retarded question? Regardless, it doesn't change the fact  that a story is a story, no matter if it's told by word of mouth, song, book, comic or blog. 

[bennyjammin79]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Darth,

You're an idiot.

And reported.

Clearly you can't back up your arguement with reason or logic.

I'm not the one who can't  distinguish between a publication and twitter.

Waaa grow some balls.

[bennyjammin79]

Kajan451 wrote...

Find me the Twitter announcements for the "The Gotham Times" Promotion of The Dark Knight, please.

You don't have to, mind you, because i don't really care about them, but unlike a Book and Comics, which are reprinted and easily accessed, stored in public libaries so people will have access to them in years to come, a Twitter Feed, even though it is also stored and preserved, its a PITA to actually find that stuff....

So accessibilty somehow invalidates the medium is what you're saying? I don't have a comic or bookstore in town. I'm not driving an hour to go to one. The books that you can put on your shelf are a major PITA for me. I don't think they should be canon. Sound reasonable?

[Kajan451]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

So accessibilty somehow invalidates the medium is what you're saying? I don't have a comic or bookstore in town. I'm not driving an hour to go to one. The books that you can put on your shelf are a major PITA for me. I don't think they should be canon. Sound reasonable?

I agree 100%, but this isn't the subject here. We are discussing if Social Media should be canon. I for one do not agree with Anderson stepping down as Councilor out of the game, but it really isn't the subject here.

The subject is Social Media and if it should be canon.

[Darth Malice113]

[quote]bennyjammin79 wrote...

[quote]Darth Malice113 wrote...
So to you typing a paragraph or to on twitter is the same thing as publishing a comic book?

Lulz.

[/quote]
 
And somebody writing lines into bubbles on a comic is different how? Oh wait, it isn't.

[quote]

That does even make sense.

Here is why.

Before a comicbook gets published they outline the story. So the graphic artists know what to draw, the dialog people know what to right. It's not just some guy putting in words. Before all that happens there is a budget and severel(if not more) production meetings. It's not anarchy. Once the comic is complete they have to get it published. That costs money. If all that is sqaured away then it goes to the publisher.

Keep in mind they are budgetet for X amount of copies, and these must be sold and shipped to those that specialize in selling  these items.

That's a fairly simple example of how publications get produced and sold.

So how is the word  bubble thing and typing up something quick on twitter the same thing again?

[bennyjammin79]

Kajan451 wrote...

I agree 100%, but this isn't the subject here. We are discussing if Social Media should be canon. I for one do not agree with Anderson stepping down as Councilor out of the game, but it really isn't the subject here.

I agree with you about Anderson.

The subject is Social Media and if it should be canon.

Yep. Why shouldn't it be? A book is a form of media, a comic is a form of media, a videogame is a form of media and social media is a form of media.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

*snip*

Because you don't like it isn't an answer.

You apparently need to go back to a school where they teach you things in a format that's more comprehensive than 140 characters.
Me: "The reason is, a, b, c."
You: "I don't care about k."
Nice. It's clear you aren't interested in an answer. You're just interested in getting a rise out of people. It's apparent why you snipped my quote, because otherwise you'd come off as an idiot. Later.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 30 mai 2012 - 10:08 .