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Dean_the_Young wrote...
SalsaDMA wrote...
I seriously disagree.
If a story is being told in a medium, I should get the story from that medium. I shouldn't have go digging through a dozen of different mediums and subscribe to various stuff just to get the story I was supposed to be getting from the first medium.
Except there is no 'supposed' to: Mass Effect is a franchise. It has been for years, since ME1's own prequel novel.
The Mass Effect games are Shepard's story, but the franchise is not only about Shepard.
Nic eof you to spot that there are things going on in the story beyond shepard. That's actually part of the reason why it is important that things supposedly affecting characters in the story are actually detailed in the storytelling medium.
So thanks for agreeing with me so far.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
If I sit and tell a story verbally, and then tell them at some point: "Oh.. btw, if you want to know what happened to character X, you need to subscribe to my twitter account, give me your phone number for your mobile and your email address. Oh, and you still won't actually get the story I was telling you just now unless you visit these webpages as well..." I would be laughed at. Not only is it extremely poor storytelling that breaks immersion as much as it can be broken, but it borders a disregard for the actual story as well as the medium I was actually telling the story in originally.
Emily Wong is not the story of Mass Effect. She is not a major, integral, or even superficial force in the plot. She is barely a step above refund guy.
And in case you missed out on the last decade, we are in the age of the internet. All the information there is about Mass Effect is on the internet. Chances are you will even have bought your Mass Effect products over the internet. There are realms and realms of sites dedicated to Mass Effect and cateloging its information. You don't need a phone number, an email address, and a half-dozen different things: you just need an internet browser. Which you're already using to partake in this Mass Effect experience.
And this is where you start to unravel already
First you say that ME story is not about shepard only, and then you hit reverse and start making judgements about who or what are supposedly 'the story'.
Here's thing: If they are part of the story, they are part of the story. Simple really.
Also, I'll ignore your insinuation whose only purpose seems to be a poor attempt of a veiled insult and instead ask you this: Do you really think the world remembers what goes on proper on the net forever? There are serious studies in trying to figure out how to cope with the immense problem modern society has with most of the aggravating problem of data being constantly churned out in 'unstable' temporary mediums.
There are data on storage today that nobody has the equipment to read normally because nobody bothered to store the data 'proper' but kept lulling themself into the dream you seem to be following: that technology storage is without issues.
Even IF (and that is a big if) that standards doesn't change as time passes (and that would be a strain of silliness to believe, but we'll stick with it to keep things managable) do you somehow believe in the magical infinity of storage space? That there are no limits on storable data in a given location?
Cause if you accept the more realistic proposition that there is only so much data you can store in a given space, then you WILL eventually reach that limit, which will be the time you start flushing 'old' stuff that doesn't seem relevant anymore (actually it will happen alot sooner due to money impacting the decisions). Twitter messages hyping up a random games release certainly goes under that category. You are only fooling yourself if you believe that twitter messages will stay forever, which leads to the "hearsay" situation at some point that the only storytelling that happens regarding that piece of lore is from others than the actual storyteller, a position ripe for disaster as far as acuracy goes.
Heck, even important data sometimes gets 'troublesome' as the fogbank incident in the US should testify.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
And your comment about "all mediums being temproary" is a fallacy. By technical terms you could claim everything is temporary as the universe slowly advances to it's inevitable demise. In normal day perceptions, though, having a game (or book) is a more permanent state of holding information than having a random message in your e-mail tray or on a server that needs to flush messages every now and then to keep within server limits. Same goes for the spoken word, really. Yeah, it's a timehonored storytelling medium, but when you consider stories that have only been passed on through verbal recountings and compare them to stories that have been etched down on paper you should notice that the verbal ones ocasionally change through no active work save poor memory on behalf of the recounter.
The word you were looking for was truism, not fallacy. And that was the issue the person I was responding to was making.
You don't need to hold onto an eamil or text message to go back and read the twitter stories. They're already posted online for access at any time.
See above answer.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
So someone saying stuff without putting it into the game or books isn't worth the seconds spent saying it as far as storytelling accuracy goes. Only when actively added into the media that proper store and retell the stories, do they become canon.
Uh, no. The only thing being sold and purchased does is make it a commercial good or service. Word of God does not need to be bought in a store to be valid, nor do other forms of narration.
So by your words, stuff happening in commercial marketings are canon now? Are you even aware of the can of worms that would happen with how misleading comercial content seem to be these days? ESPECIALLY regarding ME3 that seemed to 'boldly go where no-one has gone before' (as far as Bioware are concerned) in regards to mislead with their comercial hype regarding the product.
Even if you ignore ME3 hype any random day of the week spent watching random tv commercials should tell you that commercial marketing have close to zero relevance for canon of marketed products.
Edit: A little something for Dean to ponder on:
Modifié par SalsaDMA, 31 mai 2012 - 04:23 .
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