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[conductor_bosh]

Why am I seeing posts about people running this game at acceptable speeds on old computers (like single-core 2GHz processors) and graphics maxed, when it runs only decently for me at medium graphics, with AA and FBE off? I have a 2.53GHz dual-core processor, 4 gigs of ram, a nvidia gefore GTX280 GPU... i don't get it.

[Titius.Vibius]

Treat it with tons of salt those who claim that they can run it very well using older PCs, I too am skeptical about those claims.



On the other hand, not all of us optimize our systems and it also matters how it is optimized. Like for example my PC is just an Athlon 7750 (aka Phenom dual core), 3.5 GB RAM (4096 MB actual), and 9800 GT Green Edition. I play it using high settings BUT only on 1024x768 resolution. I have to admit that there are hiccups from time to time but it doesn't stay that forever.

[whtnyte-raernst]

probably for the same reason I saw a topic on "what CPU and GPU are you running DA:O on?" and every other person seemed to be running the latest $1000.00 Intel i7 multicore CPU and either high end dual Nvidia cards in SLI or high end ATI cards connected in crossfire lol!



Some people are just full of it!

[Jharensticks]

Various reason account for that I'd wager.



1) People have different personal opinions as to what is "acceptable speeds". Seriously, some people can live with 15-25 fps, while others can't.



2) Optimization. Even the nicest system can be crippled by simply not being kept tidy. Learn how to optimize what OS you are using and shut down all services that aren't needed for gaming.



3) Problems with the game itself using certain hardware and/or software configs could cause the problems.



4) They lie. It's the internet. People lie, sometimes for no reason whatsoever.



This game does tend to be rather picky about background services, mainly on account of it eating up resources. Shut down everything you don't need, and I mean everything, even if you think it's tiny. System monitoring programs seem to cause slow downs with DA as well, even such things as a g15 Keyboard application can cause slowdowns.

[Titius.Vibius]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

probably for the same reason I saw a topic on "what CPU and GPU are you running DA:O on?" and every other person seemed to be running the latest $1000.00 Intel i7 multicore CPU and either high end dual Nvidia cards in SLI or high end ATI cards connected in crossfire lol!

Some people are just full of it!

You noticed it too ha? Trust me if USB 3.0 goes mainstream you'll hear, "Man, I'm playing this POS on 8 multiple USB 3.0 GPU and its sick!"

Modifié par Titius.Vibius, 11 décembre 2009 - 02:54 .

[juvefan78]

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Treat it with tons of salt those who claim that they can run it very well using older PCs, I too am skeptical about those claims.

On the other hand, not all of us optimize our systems and it also matters how it is optimized. Like for example my PC is just an Athlon 7750 (aka Phenom dual core), 3.5 GB RAM (4096 MB actual), and 9800 GT Green Edition. I play it using high settings BUT only on 1024x768 resolution. I have to admit that there are hiccups from time to time but it doesn't stay that forever.

That's pretty low res for your specs. I run DA on my laptop at 1280 x720, high detail, high textures, no AA. Vsync off. It runs smoothly at an average of 25-30 fps. The only real slowdown I get is at the bridge at Ostagar, on your way to the tower of Ishal. It drops to around 15fps. At the Denerim Marketplace, I get around 20-24fps depending on the zoom level. Fps takes a big hit with v-sync on. Thankfully, the only time I notice tearing is during cutscenes. I can live with that.

My laptop specs are:
AMD Turion x2 Ultra 2.20 GHz,
radeon 3650 with 512mb vram
4GB ram
Win7 Pro 64-bit.

Sure I get the occasional hiccup at areas with lots of fire/flame effects but they don't last beyond a second or two. I get more slowdowns using this damned forum.

I think the real issue is: what exactly is smooth for you? 30 fps? 60? 120fps. I'm no graphic connoisseur, so I can't tell the difference beyond 30 fps. I understand there are those who can. Having not-so-good eyesight does have its advantages.

[Titius.Vibius]

juvefan78 wrote...

Titius.Vibius wrote...

Treat it with tons of salt those who claim that they can run it very well using older PCs, I too am skeptical about those claims.

On the other hand, not all of us optimize our systems and it also matters how it is optimized. Like for example my PC is just an Athlon 7750 (aka Phenom dual core), 3.5 GB RAM (4096 MB actual), and 9800 GT Green Edition. I play it using high settings BUT only on 1024x768 resolution. I have to admit that there are hiccups from time to time but it doesn't stay that forever.

That's pretty low res for your specs. I run DA on my laptop at 1280 x720, high detail, high textures, no AA. Vsync off. It runs smoothly at an average of 25-30 fps. The only real slowdown I get is at the bridge at Ostagar, on your way to the tower of Ishal. It drops to around 15fps. At the Denerim Marketplace, I get around 20-24fps depending on the zoom level. Fps takes a big hit with v-sync on. Thankfully, the only time I notice tearing is during cutscenes. I can live with that.

My laptop specs are:
AMD Turion x2 Ultra 2.20 GHz,
radeon 3650 with 512mb vram
4GB ram
Win7 Pro 64-bit.

Sure I get the occasional hiccup at areas with lots of fire/flame effects but they don't last beyond a second or two. I get more slowdowns using this damned forum.

I think the real issue is: what exactly is smooth for you? 30 fps? 60? 120fps. I'm no graphic connoisseur, so I can't tell the difference beyond 30 fps. I understand there are those who can. Having not-so-good eyesight does have its advantages.

You are correct there about the resolution but I generally want a hybrid between performance and quality of the graphics so I get both performance and beauty at the same time by using 1024x768 but only on this game.

[juvefan78]

I take it you run it with AA and buffer effects on? With my card, even at 1024 x 768, AA just kills the performance...

[Mortiquendi]

As titus says take it with a grain of salt, also most people dont mention wether they have onboard audio or a soundcard or what speed there HDD what the buffer is. what type and speed of ram they are useing, they tend to just mention the size and quantity. Or even what type of Chipset there motherboard is using. All these things can cause a major impact of the speed of a and stability of a computer.





for example for hdd's 160Gig 8M cache at 7200 rpm with ATA100 will be slower than a 160Gig 8M cache 7200 rpm with SATA II ata 100 is slower in file transfering than sata 2.



an example for memory

512MB DDR PC2100 266MHz CAS:2.5

512MB DDR PC3200 400MHz CAS 3

pc2100 and pc3200 denote a form of speed as does CAS (the higher the PC# is the faster it is however the lower the CAS the faster it is in that type if you want specifics google it)



chipset differences are not easy to compare since you can't buy the same motherboard with different chipsets. so your best bet is find out what your motherboard is and look it up online and see how it compares to other motherboards.



A computers speed and stability is literally a sum of its parts.

[whtnyte-raernst]

This is true, the i7 multicore Intel CPUs are worthless unless you match them with the right motherboard. Your system is pretty much as fast as the slowest component.



Think of the CPU as basically a pump house. If it's designed for 6" pipes coming in and out, and you go cheap and use 3" pipes, it's gonna be very slow!

[Titius.Vibius]

juvefan78 wrote...

I take it you run it with AA and buffer effects on? With my card, even at 1024 x 768, AA just kills the performance...

Yes sir, although it slows down definitely as time goes by, well the loading times that is. But I haven't noticed too much lag even if there are so many effects and mob on screen, I never noticed a slide show either, that's why I love this resolution.

Mind you my GPU is a green edition that is slightly below the specified true stats of 9800 GT although it had 1 GB of memory and so far its performing exceptionally very well.

When I say performing exceptionally well I can't find any hints of video choppiness throughout the gameplay, two of them to be exact, although using different drivers for my GPU, 191.07 and 195.62, the latter I found to be more stable when it comes to the fps because I noticed before 195.62 when going to Denerim you will "feel" the framerate drop and even felt scary because when it drops a CTD may occur but only once did I crash to desktop using 191.07. Using 195.62 really "feels" like the framerate increased a bit since I move a lot faster now but then again its on 1024x768.

So when they say that older computers can play it using high settings, the question now is how well is it? How fluid are the movements and how stable is it? And what part are you playing very well? Because early on the game it is fairly very simple the scenery that is but as you travel and load area transitions that is the time your system will be tested and perhaps brought to its knees.

Modifié par Titius.Vibius, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Mortiquendi]

for me i ran it from start to finish at high settings never dropping it down, HOWEVER the very last area where you have those huge battles leading to the keep so you can go kill the dragon would bog down, once all the lil mobs were killed i would go back up and not have a problem till the next area. (fighting the end dragon i wouldn't have any single problem either)

[juvefan78]

Well I just got to Orzammar, and wow, my frame rate took a nosedive. Dust Town is the worst. I had to take details down to medium. I'm averaging around 18-22 in the open areas. And in battles they go down to as low as 15 sometimes. But since I pause a lot, I don't notice it much.

[stubbieAussie]

conductor_bosh wrote...

Why am I seeing posts about people running this game at acceptable speeds on old computers (like single-core 2GHz processors) and graphics maxed, when it runs only decently for me at medium graphics, with AA and FBE off? I have a 2.53GHz dual-core processor, 4 gigs of ram, a nvidia gefore GTX280 GPU... i don't get it.

Because you probably have a few things setup on your pc that are bogging it down.

Don't criticise others that have less hardware specs than you but get better performance.
Perhaps they have tweaked their computer in such a way as to modify their hardware to perform at its maximum capability with this game.

There are many, many, ways to optimise your computer to play DA:O better than you can with default windoze and BIOS settings.

It just depends upon how confident you are with modifying your computer.

Modifié par stubbieAussie, 12 décembre 2009 - 07:38 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Mortiquendi wrote...

As titus says take it with a grain of salt, also most people dont mention wether they have onboard audio or a soundcard or what speed there HDD what the buffer is. what type and speed of ram they are useing, they tend to just mention the size and quantity. Or even what type of Chipset there motherboard is using. All these things can cause a major impact of the speed of a and stability of a computer.

for example for hdd's 160Gig 8M cache at 7200 rpm with ATA100 will be slower than a 160Gig 8M cache 7200 rpm with SATA II ata 100 is slower in file transfering than sata 2.
an example for memory
512MB DDR PC2100 266MHz CAS:2.5
512MB DDR PC3200 400MHz CAS 3
pc2100 and pc3200 denote a form of speed as does CAS (the higher the PC# is the faster it is however the lower the CAS the faster it is in that type if you want specifics google it)

chipset differences are not easy to compare since you can't buy the same motherboard with different chipsets. so your best bet is find out what your motherboard is and look it up online and see how it compares to other motherboards.

A computers speed and stability is literally a sum of its parts.

Yes, although many of the parts just don't affect game performance very much.  In-game, the nature of human perception being what it is, the video system creates a minimum of HALF of the perceived performance. 

All other aspects being comparatively equal (choice of chipset, brand & speed of RAM, etc), the central processor contributes roughly one third part of the remainder of perceived performance, leaving only one twelfth part to split between RAM, storage, etc.  More than the speed of the RAM, if you do not have ENOUGH of it, the total amount affects performance the most.  Once you reach the "enough" level, more RAM has a rapidly diminishing effect.

Among the most over-rated aspects of all on game performance is fast storage, although at present I have no personal experience with SSD.  There is a huge difference between 7200 and 10000 RPM Hdds, but in games, that doesn't come across as a practical component to invest in.  RAID, for instance, is merely a chimera, and is frequently less efficient than normal drives, when it's applied to a game system.  Yes, SATA / SATA II have an edge over ATA 133, but a gamer just won't notice the difference in the same way that the important parts affect things. 

And I never mentioned the power supply.  It only indirectly affects performance when a PC is running right, but a bad one can be hell to diagnose.  I liken the parts of a PC to a living organism, in which the brain is the CPU, the heart is the GPU, and the power supply is the digestive system.  You need all three to be the best you can afford, with the EMPHASIS  placed on video. 

Gorath
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[Mortiquendi]

I was mearly giving an example of how some machines may be older but with better components they could have faster more responsive machines.



Depeneding on the game the HDD can be a worthwhile expendature if you have an old hdd that has a low seek time and small / non existent buffer. Like in Vanguard SoH people with low and mid range pc's found that just getting a faster HDD made a vast improvement to there gaming rig, but than again Vanguard had some serious issues with poor memory management,



"Yes, SATA / SATA II have an edge over ATA 133, but a gamer just won't notice the difference in the same way that the important parts affect things."



If you go from a 5200 rpm 20 gig ata 100 hdd to a 7200 rpm 160 gig 8mb cache sata 2 you will notice a difference and trust me its a huge difference. if however you go from a 160 gig 7200 rpm 6mb cache sata 2 to one with 8mb cache with the same seek time you wont notice the difference because it will be so minute, that is why you want to know your computer inside and out, because prebuilt systems tend to have a crappy hdd and ram unless you swap them out with better parts.

[khaos974]

Indeed, you should be careful of what acceptable is, for me an rpg with pause would be acceptable above 20 fps, an first person shooter would be abose 50 fps.



So a laptop with an older generation GPU such a 7900 GS owuld indeed be acceptable for a lot of people even on a very high setting, but not all of them.