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N7 matchmaker hypothesis - Slow lobbies since patch 1.03/Rebellion


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#76
NM_Che56

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I'm in the mid-upper 300's and I get put in a lobby with N7's below 50!

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PluralAces

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yeah this is not true at all....

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DESTRAUDO

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In n7 mid 200's and was in matches yesterday with everything from n7 11 to 3-4 hundred.

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If they made a change it would be in patch notes. If there is nothing there have been no changes. I cannot see why they would not document this in patch notes.

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LeandroBraz wrote...

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Yesterday was impossible to host a lobby. First I did two, all with high levels, then it just stopped to come. Clearly they changed something that has to do with N7 level, but I can't figured out exactly how it work, since I did a quick match, and I ended in a lobby hosted by a N7 600, with a mix of levels, after one match the lobby passed to me, and it was filled again with a randon mix. They added a new filter, for sure, but the rule have some exceptions, you still can end up in a mixed level lobby.


Same here, pretty much. I always host, Bronze or Silver. Personally I really don't care what N7 level other players are. But something has definitely changed since the patch, since it never took so long to get a full lobby. And pre-patch the lobbies were always very mixed. Now all I get is one or two players with a similar N7 level.

Maybe something was changed on the server end which coincided with the patch(and/or the DLC)...

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Habi33

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I have no idea if the N7 thing is true but finding games today has been next to impossible. Something is definitely going on.

Although the idea of most players not having downloaded the DLC makes sense so hopefully in a few days everything should work... fingers crossed. Did this happen back when the first DLC came out? I didn't play much multiplayer back then so I didn't get the first DLC until 2 weeks after it came out.

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Nope when first DLC happened a bunch of people couldn't play because a fatal error and something about a online validation code...

I was one of the people that had no problems and I NEVER waited more than 5 minutes to get a game rolling and the N7 was VERY mixed, so nope this didn't happen with the last DLC :/

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Played three matches in three lobbies today, and each time was matched up in groups within 25 N7 levels of my own. I can't recall that close a spread in other lobbies prior to the patch, but I also wasn't looking for it. Had no problem with lobbies; got in within a minute each time on Bronze.

It could be the system just prefers closer matched N7 levels now, rather than excludes disparate level games. Or it could just be chance. Interested to hear anything from developers about this.

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PluralAces wrote...

yeah this is not true at all....


Oh good, another console user who can't read the dozen times it's stated that this is PC specific. And also thinks that he is the world. I don't have this bug means no one has this bug. I wonder how that works outside of computers. I don't have cancer, therefor cancer isn't real. Wow, I just cured cancer! Or I would have, if it was ever real to begin with!

palker wrote...

If they made a change it would be in patch notes. If there is nothing there have been no changes. I cannot see why they would not document this in patch notes.


I've never met a programmer who didn't hate documenting changes and I've met quite a few. Imagine if you had to document every little thing you did in your job. It'd get old fast. So often times stuff gets left out by accident because they forget to document it. Sometimes stuff gets left out on purpose too, of course. I don't think this fits that category though.

There'a also the third option: it's an unintentional change. For instance they could have been working on a new matchmaking system and accidentally sent it live before it was ready.

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Arm5tr0ng

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I have the same problem (PC), takes about 15 min to fill the lobby and all players have similar N7 ranking, but the most strange of all this is that after installing the patch I could play normally and didn't take more than 5 min to get the remaining players. But once I closed Origin to restart my pc things became weird, now if I am lucky someone joins.

I've tried to play since yesterday in the evening and simply can't because it takes too much time to get a full lobby.

Bioware please give us an answer :(

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The one game I managed to get into the starting lobby insted of been put right into a game to DC a few seconds later all the people in the group had within 20 of my N7 rank.
I wasn't even looking for it.

Scramble the jets!

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Rifneno

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Lobby I was just in: 672, 655, 672, 649. Before that, 645, 631, 648. and the last one I missed in the screenshot but he was also in the mid 600's.

I'm just it's just a coincidence. <rolls eyes>

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I've noticed longer delays in finding / filling lobbies, though that could just be server congestion with everyone playing the new DLC. On the other hand, I've observed on multiple occasions where a player leaves a lobby and rejoins the same one, as many as 5 times over. That seems a bit too often to be a coincidence.

I would venture that if there is an N7 matching system in place, that everyone above a certain N7 threshold might just be in the same bucket. I did notice quite a few N7 1k+ yesterday, though that could be just the DLC bringing them out.

But I think N7 matchmaking is a terrible idea. There isn't the same need to matchmake in co-op games as in competitive games. I kinda like helping out "newbies" who are just getting their feet wet with MP anyways.

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I didn't want to believe they had implemented something like this, but I can also attest to the likelihood of being grouped with players of a similar N7 rating.

I was at N7 300 for the longest time (390 now after the promoting weekend - weep -), as it was a nice balanced number (Plus Spaaaaarta), and I've been getting saddled with nothing but 200-400 N7 players farming FBWGG. I don't think I've ever, ever before jumped into the same lobby twice, but now I can't seem to get away from the same group of people.

I seem to be stuck with the range of casual gold players who, at that N7 rating, prefer to farm something easy. This is absolutely ludicrous if in fact such a change has been implemented. I love a challenge, and finding nothing but farming lobbies is distressing.

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Mandalore313

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meh

Modifié par Mandalore313, 30 mai 2012 - 05:54 .


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Chaoswind

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Honestly I am torn on this... Not watching a single low lvl low N7 person in a gold match is a god sent, but waiting +10 minutes to get a match rolling or quitting a lobby only to land on it again +5 times, is HELL

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My N7 rank is 777 and I've been matched with people with their N7 rank in the 700s the entire day. Lame feature.

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Chaoswind

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its a OK feature, but needs to be OPTIONAL...

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Habi33

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Chaoswind wrote...

its a OK feature, but needs to be OPTIONAL...


First we need bioware to tell us if this feature even exists or if it's just their completely messed up servers.

Modifié par Habi33, 30 mai 2012 - 06:01 .


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I believe that this feature is actually there. The reason you can however get group with a huge variety is that, when a group of friends for a group and then set the slot to open. Anyone who has a N7 level close to someone who is already in the party will be able to join. Thus still getting some variety. But most of the time I do still seem to get teamed up with people around the same N7 level I have.

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Bump/more venting

First R/R/G search of today... an N7~200 doing FBWGG. Someone else left as I joined, didn't see the N7. I left, searching again...

Unknown/Cerberus/Gold match. N7 210, N7 209. Waiting for fourth player. I'm N7 218 by the way. Whups, someone else joined with an N7~200 and left. Now host left, probably out of frustration of filling a lobby.


Edit-- woo, got into a gold with a 198, 180, and... a 1325.

Edit2-- figures that we'd get White/Geth and they'd run to the camping area.

Just found a lobby with cerberus/gold, 214, 120, 180.

Edit3-- anyone else running into the same people over and over? I guess the pool is that small right now. Before, I certainly might've seen a familiar name or two once a week, but I always wondered how large the PC playerbase was for me to have completely different people, each and every PUG. But running into the same three people (at least twice each) over the course of 24 hours? Two of those people being put into the same match with me just now? 

If this were just caused by DLC/Patch discrepancies between players, you'd think I'd have seen one specific high N7 person more than once.

Modifié par xelf207, 30 mai 2012 - 08:19 .


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xelf207 wrote...

Edit3-- anyone else running into the same people over and over? I guess the pool is that small right now. Before, I certainly might've seen a familiar name or two once a week, but I always wondered how large the PC playerbase was for me to have completely different people, each and every PUG. But running into the same three people (at least twice each) over the course of 24 hours? Two of those people being put into the same match with me just now? 


Yep. I've never run into the same people before, but today it seems impossible for me to join anything but the same 3 people trying to do FBWGG. Search times take forever. As much as I like the idea Bioware is trying to match the most suitable people up, doing it by N7 rating is a fools errand, and I'm sick of being stuck with farmers because I chose not to promote 50 times.

Edit: After applying a manual update to the game through Origin, it appears the matchmaking is random again. The past two games I've done the N7 ratings were no where in the ball park of each other. 

Modifié par Trippid, 30 mai 2012 - 10:46 .


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Volksvarg

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As Trippid wrote, applying a manual update to the game through origin seems to have restored random matchmaking again.

I suggest all who posted here with the problem to do so and report back if the fix works for you as well.

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Habi33

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Volksvarg wrote...

As Trippid wrote, applying a manual update to the game through origin seems to have restored random matchmaking again.

I suggest all who posted here with the problem to do so and report back if the fix works for you as well.


Manual update? What do you mean by that? Right clicking the game through origin and checking for updates or is it something else?

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This isn't happening to me. I'm getting paired with people higher levels than me...who are for some reason kicking me, just because I don't feel like promoting my characters.

On Xbox, by the way.


EDIT: PC only. I'm stupid. :P But I dread the day this comes to console players.

Modifié par BloodClaw95, 31 mai 2012 - 12:21 .