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[Reznore57]

I don't know your wife may have some passive agressive thing going on because you don't wipe your shoes and makes a mess of her just cleaned floor.
So she made you the sandwitch you hate the most everyday.
One day there's a big fight , to make amend she prepared your favorite sandwitch.
She put a little of peanut butter in it ...and you're deadly allergics to peanuts!
Here goes drama.
Since you're the hero , you survive with plot armour , and confront her ...and it ends up in angry let's make peace sex (yeah you need a sex scene )
After that you may live happily ever after...

[AkiKishi]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sounds a bit like Harvest Moon where they pack you a lunch and kiss you goodbye every morning. Day to day life is pretty routine stuff anyway. Not sure how Bethesda could make that dramatic.

But there is no drama to the courtship either (which could/should be dramatic, or at least emotionally involving). Don't take this as a criticism since I see romances in Skyrim as something that would be nice to have, not something that is an integral part of the game.

And yes that does imply that I see romances as an integral part of DA3.

[edit] P.S. Having lunch packed for me and being kissed goodbye in the morning sounds very sweet ...

Enjoy  She gets a night wedding because she's part Vampire.

 Cinamon is just odd but really entertaining. She puts her whole heart into cooking boiled eggs and warming milk. No kisses from her either.

Bianca is a complete tsundere she's really entertaining and sweet if you can get beyond the oujosama thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8uKs0MUXs&feature=relmfu

Tons more, just follow the links at the sides of the movies. Dating, confessions, proposals, it's got the lot.

Little disapointed with the courtship in Skyrim. It sounds a bit easy/mundane.

[R2s Muse]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Nomen Mendax wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sounds a bit like Harvest Moon where they pack you a lunch and kiss you goodbye every morning. Day to day life is pretty routine stuff anyway. Not sure how Bethesda could make that dramatic.

But there is no drama to the courtship either (which could/should be dramatic, or at least emotionally involving). Don't take this as a criticism since I see romances in Skyrim as something that would be nice to have, not something that is an integral part of the game.

And yes that does imply that I see romances as an integral part of DA3.

[edit] P.S. Having lunch packed for me and being kissed goodbye in the morning sounds very sweet ...

Enjoy  She gets a night wedding because she's part Vampire.

 Cinamon is just odd but really entertaining. She puts her whole heart into cooking boiled eggs and warming milk. No kisses from her either.

Bianca is a complete tsundere she's really entertaining and sweet if you can get beyond the oujosama thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8uKs0MUXs&feature=relmfu

Tons more, just follow the links at the sides of the movies. Dating, confessions, proposals, it's got the lot.

Little disapointed with the courtship in Skyrim. It sounds a bit easy/mundane.

Egad... bring on the drama, I say!

[Nomen Mendax]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Enjoy  She gets a night wedding because she's part Vampire.

 Cinamon is just odd but really entertaining. She puts her whole heart into cooking boiled eggs and warming milk. No kisses from her either.

Bianca is a complete tsundere she's really entertaining and sweet if you can get beyond the oujosama thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8uKs0MUXs&feature=relmfu

Tons more, just follow the links at the sides of the movies. Dating, confessions, proposals, it's got the lot.

Little disapointed with the courtship in Skyrim. It sounds a bit easy/mundane.

Thanks, that's interesting, here is Skyrim's version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-3IT1g87GI 

Note that quests that are pre-conditions for marriage are wholly independent of whether or not you want to marry the character, in most cases you'll just complete them anyway because they are given to you.

[Reznore57]

Well I'm not sure what I saw in the Skyrim vid is a romance.It's more like some gimmick.
"Hi , beautiful stranger , wanna get married?"
"Can you give me some jewelry?"
"Sure"
"Ok , I 'll be your wife!"

I don't find it really interesting , I mean I could become a romance writer for Skyrim ( and pretty much everybody on the bsn^^)

[Sylvianus]

Romance in skyrim aren't there to tell a story, it is there only to add a feature to the agenda's player. From that, I think that's totally useless to use Skyrim as an example from the point of view of the writting, to make any point in this area. You don't get any point, actually. There's no such thing in skyrim.

You get a wife like you would get a new weapon, or something else, by doing a quest, completing summary conditions, and that's all. The rest is up to you to imagine. That's why nobody cares about Skyrim's romance, because actually there is none.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 juin 2012 - 07:28 .

[AkiKishi]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

 

Note that quests that are pre-conditions for marriage are wholly independent of whether or not you want to marry the character, in most cases you'll just complete them anyway because they are given to you.

The end result is very similiar but the build up is completely missing. A bit more emotion in the VA would not go amiss either. He could have been asking "do you want fries with that" for all the emotion she showed..

While Harvest Moon is not hard work (well some wives are harder to get than others) it does take some effort, especially if you want to get married early (benifits like free lunches and kids to work the farm are hard to pass up).

I can't say I found the Skyrim stuff as good or even a challenge looking at it as a player.

Cheers for the link.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 01 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[Nomen Mendax]

To go back to the OP, I'd like to see romance to be more central in a game (not necessarily DA3).  A good romance needs some drama and enough time for the characters to get to know each other.  Its hard for this not to feel rushed when the romance is on the level of a side-quest and there are multiple possible partners (and everything has to be voice-acted).

One idea I'd be interested in seeing is where there is only one possible LI (well, one of each sex, but this could be one role in a story like a prince / princess).  There is an obvious downside to this in that player's don't get to choose who to romance, but the advantage is that the writers could bring a lot more depth to the romance.

The other thing I'd interested in getting away from is the idea that your LI must be a party member.  I'd also like to see a lot more fluidity with the idea of party in general, but that's another topic.

Modifié par Nomen Mendax, 01 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[R0vena]

Alistair romance was almost perfect. It's only fault was it could be practically finished half way through the game and you'll not have another word out of him to the very end. But it had struggle, drama, process of getting to know each other and several ways of conclusion. Not to mention it really felt tied to the plot despite being completely optional.

[ReallyRue]

brushyourteeth wrote...
I felt like the romanceable characters in DAII were pretty gimmicky.

Anders was the troubled, possessed mage on a crusade to end Chantry control of mages, and that was really all we ever saw of his character - the cause. I guess that's appropriate for him since he was literally possessed with the cause, but I wish now we'd been able to see the cracks in Justice's influence to the Anders that was inside.
Fenris was a ticked off former slave who hated mages. That's literally all we ever got out of him in our romances.
Merrill was consumed with her mission to restore the eluvian and her desire to convince the world that she could handle being a blood mage. I felt like she got a little more personal with her likes and dislikes, her background and such than the others did.
Isabela was actually interesting because she was a character who screamed "gimmick" and then ended up being so much more than that. So well done, Bioware! But I still wish we'd been able to explore her transformation much deeper.

DA:O had gimmick characters like Oghren, but we didn't romance him - he was there for comic relief. Alistair was my favorite romance and he didn't have a gimmick at all. He was just a guy struggling through the Blight with you, but he still found plenty to talk to you about. You learn that he's the heir but not until much later. Zevran's only slightly gimmicky trait was that he was such a flirt. Morrigan's was that she was dangerous, but she wasn't constantly reminding you of that fact.

Wasn't Alistair's gimmick that he was a b*stard prince? Zevran's that he's an assassin, Morrigan's that she's a witch of the wilds, and Leliana's that she's a nutty Chantry sister? They all surpass those definitions if you talk to them/romance them, but I'd hardly say they were normal/without gimmicks.

[andocrack]

I think pursuit is a big part - the prize was worth the fight. In DAO, there was dialogue. In DA2, there was a heart icon.

Modifié par andocrack, 01 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[cowoline]

Despite what many others think I actually prefere certain things about the romances in DA II. Especially Anders friend romance seemed so intense. The reason I like it is because much of his dialogue (if you flirt with him) is romance related. Him falling in love with Hawke didn't seem as sudden. I also liked that after you romanced him he gets some romance specific lines later in the game. I just want much more of that. I cringe every time he calls my character Hawke instead of love. Added to that once character should be more responsive to the romance specific lines that are pressent. Example both during the qunari attack and mark of the assassian once romance character(at least those I have romanced) worries about you and get no answer. That is a problem imo that made the romances seem incomplete.

In Origins I really liked the romances because they could be played out in the pace that fitted your story. Like falling in love with Alistair before you knew he was heir to the throne or be a scheming noble who didn't until after. I like that flexibility.

A mixture of the to would be really great imo.

[hussey 92]

brushyourteeth wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

what makes a good romance? How about sex without clothes on.

Disappointing.

Also probably none of our DA characters have ever had sex with their clothes on. We've just never actually seen more than foreplay, which I'm personally really ok with.

So nudity is bad, but exploding bodies is good? 

[brushyourteeth]

hussey 92 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

what makes a good romance? How about sex without clothes on.

Disappointing.

Also probably none of our DA characters have ever had sex with their clothes on. We've just never actually seen more than foreplay, which I'm personally really ok with.

So nudity is bad, but exploding bodies is good? 

This isn't really a topic that was intended to discuss the morality of showing nudity versus the morality of showing violence. Or how to make a better sex scene.

It was made for discussing good romance, what that means and how that can be achieved without the flirt button+flirt button+flirt button+sex = relationship method. To which I'd actually still like to hear your opinion, if you're interested in sharing it.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 02 juin 2012 - 12:26 .

[hussey 92]

brushyourteeth wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

what makes a good romance? How about sex without clothes on.

Disappointing.

Also probably none of our DA characters have ever had sex with their clothes on. We've just never actually seen more than foreplay, which I'm personally really ok with.

So nudity is bad, but exploding bodies is good? 

This isn't really a topic that was intended to discuss the morality of showing nudity versus the morality of showing violence. Or how to make a better sex scene.

It was made for discussing good romance, what that means and how that can be achieved without the flirt button+flirt button+flirt button+sex = relationship method. To which I'd actually still like to hear your opinion, if you're interested in sharing it.

ok, I thought the DA2 romances were pretty boring.  It was just pressing the flirt button in required dialouge (hard to miss).  It was better in ME and Origins where you actually had meaningful conversasions with LI's. 

And I agree with what you said earlier about the Origins characters actaully asking questions about you.  The only time I can remember the DA2 LI's asking about my PC's family was right after Hawkes mother was killed.

I would very much like the romance in DA3 to be like it was in Origins and the sex scenes to be like The Witcher 2

Modifié par hussey 92, 02 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[Cyne]

1. A good voice actor, with great range.

2. Attractive characters (it's a video game, and romances are more than appearance of course, but beauty still helps).

2. Slow, gradual build up, from casual acquaintance to intimate friend to finally lover (or rival, if that's how it turns out). Ideally this build up should be spontaneous, initiated by both parties, and flow well with the rest of the plot; a shoehorned-in romance is worse than no romance.

4. Believable, mature sex scenes. Again, a bad sex scene is worse than none. They don't need to be explicit, but they do need to match the seriousness of the rest of the game, and in particular, the temperament of the characters. Artistic camera angles and fade to black screens can be used if the developers are disinclined to show nudity, as long as they don't diminish the sensuality of the situation.

5. This is just a personal thing, but idealism. Show the knight in shining armor dashing down to save the princess. Show lovers singing poetry to each other, beneath a moonlight sky. It's cheesy and unrealistic and that's what makes it fun I don't know about anyone else, but I like romance in fiction specifically because it isn't like real life romance. In games you can show all the drama and excitement of a relationship without the lengthy, boring intermittent moments. Of course, taken too far and it just becomes silly; it's a balancing act.

6. An appropriate conclusion, which changes the game. A good example is Alistair becoming King (or not), depending in large part on your relationship with him. A good romance should impact the plot. This ties in with the idealism idea; in reality, a relationship is not exactly going to change the world, but in fiction you can be more liberal, and give expression to those instincts that say it does change the world, that it is as important in scope and impact as it feels. Plus this makes the game a lot more memorable and replayable.

7. Hugs and kisses whenever you want. Give the player the option to be romantic with their LI.

8. Potential love interests should react differently to male or female protagonists, and differently to friends and lovers (latter goes without saying).

9. Potential LI's should have fixed, though not necessarily expressed, sexual preferences. In other words, a straight companion shouldn't suddenly decide he's into men simply because the protagonist is male. Make them seem like their own people, not cardboard cutouts which exist soley to react to the player.

Modifié par Cyne, 02 juin 2012 - 01:49 .

[hussey 92]

^I disagree, silent PC's are the best for romance

I agree with number 9 though

[Sylvianus]

How about something that is not totally linear ? That would be a good thing to begin with.

[brushyourteeth]

hussey 92 wrote...

I would very much like the romance in DA3 to be like it was in Origins and the sex scenes to be like The Witcher 2

LOL! Keep dreaming.  Bioware will probably never have explicit sex scenes - it's just not their style. But with so many fans asking for more detail, my guess is they'll probably up the ante for DAIII. Someone *cough* *cough* ought to make a sister topic about it.

Cyne wrote...
2. Slow, gradual build up, from casual acquaintance to intimate friend to finally lover (or rival, if that's how it turns out). Ideally this build up should be spontaneous, initiated by both parties, and flow well with the rest of the plot; a shoehorned-in romance is worse than no romance.

THIS. Totally agree with this.

Also I know I can't have been the only one bothered by this - having only one flirt option (the  icon) and practically no idea what it was going to lead my character to say lead to some real "ugh" out-of-character moments for me. Like every.single.time you flirt with Sebastian, your only flirt options turned out super sexually forward (Surprise! Oh my. I guess Hawke's kind of a scutter?") and that was not my character or my relationship with him AT ALL. Especially given that the outcome of your half-romance always ends up in either a chaste Chantry relationship or the promise of becoming his wife and princess.

I'd like to go back to having more than one way to flirt with my LI, please. I know that eats up resources because of voice acting and cinematics, but if the price is loss of player agency bordering on surprise personality re-writes midgame, then it's just not worth it. Make it work if you're going to make it work. If there's a way to have your flirt lines adapted to your dominant personality that'd be a positive enough change for me. Or if that's impossible to do, I'd rather err on the side of boring generic flirt lines than ones that randomly force new facets to your character into the romance.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 02 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...


Also I know I can't have been the only one bothered by this - having only one flirt option (the  icon) and practically no idea what it was going to lead my character to say lead to some real "ugh" out-of-character moments for me. Like every.single.time you flirt with Sebastian, your only flirt options turned out super sexually forward (Surprise! Oh my. I guess Hawke's kind of a scutter?") and that was not my character or my relationship with him AT ALL. Especially given that the outcome of your half-romance always ends up in either a chaste Chantry relationship or the promise of becoming his wife and princess.

Ugh, yes, I would much rather have multiple options of things to say that are more in character, and not know if they're "heart" options, than having just  the one bad heart option. I was almost embarassed at some of the things I said to Sebastian, and after a while metagamed so I could still stay in "romance" mode but generally choose the non-heart options that best fit what my character would actually say...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[Nomen Mendax]

Cyne wrote...

1. A good voice actor, with great range.

2. Attractive characters (it's a video game, and romances are more than appearance of course, but beauty still helps).

2. Slow, gradual build up, from casual acquaintance to intimate friend to finally lover (or rival, if that's how it turns out). Ideally this build up should be spontaneous, initiated by both parties, and flow well with the rest of the plot; a shoehorned-in romance is worse than no romance.

4. Believable, mature sex scenes. Again, a bad sex scene is worse than none. They don't need to be explicit, but they do need to match the seriousness of the rest of the game, and in particular, the temperament of the characters. Artistic camera angles and fade to black screens can be used if the developers are disinclined to show nudity, as long as they don't diminish the sensuality of the situation.

5. This is just a personal thing, but idealism. Show the knight in shining armor dashing down to save the princess. Show lovers singing poetry to each other, beneath a moonlight sky. It's cheesy and unrealistic and that's what makes it fun I don't know about anyone else, but I like romance in fiction specifically because it isn't like real life romance. In games you can show all the drama and excitement of a relationship without the lengthy, boring intermittent moments. Of course, taken too far and it just becomes silly; it's a balancing act.

6. An appropriate conclusion, which changes the game. A good example is Alistair becoming King (or not), depending in large part on your relationship with him. A good romance should impact the plot. This ties in with the idealism idea; in reality, a relationship is not exactly going to change the world, but in fiction you can be more liberal, and give expression to those instincts that say it does change the world, that it is as important in scope and impact as it feels. Plus this makes the game a lot more memorable and replayable.

7. Hugs and kisses whenever you want. Give the player the option to be romantic with their LI.

8. Potential love interests should react differently to male or female protagonists, and differently to friends and lovers (latter goes without saying).

9. Potential LI's should have fixed, though not necessarily expressed, sexual preferences. In other words, a straight companion shouldn't suddenly decide he's into men simply because the protagonist is male. Make them seem like their own people, not cardboard cutouts which exist soley to react to the player.

I agree with all of these - except for 1 and 9.  I think a good voice actor can help, but I think we give up too much in terms of game play for voice (but that's off topic).

Number 9 is something that a lot of people seem to think, but I see nothing wrong with an NPC being straight in one person's game and gay in another (not saying that they should have identical lines).  Of all of the ways in which RPG game worlds shape themselves to the player it surprises me how much people get hung up on this one.

[Reznore57]

For the heart button , I didn't mind .I know a lot of people did.
But the heart is there to show you Hawke gonna be flirty.
And you don't need to hit on all the flirty sentences to get into a romance , there are key sentences but it requires a bit of metagamming i guess to know that.
I like being subtle when it comes to flirting , specialy if i'm interested .But i don't think it's possible in a game .Some people would get mad that they flirt with some companions without having big warning.

Now i guess there could be more nuance in a romance , using certain flirt line on a companion could be a dealbreaker depending on its personality.Like if you chat up Isabella reciting long poem about love , she wouldn't be interesting.
And another thing some quest should be able to break romances , you can decide to have a talk with denarius about selling Fenris or not.I know Fenris has self esteem issue, but really?He still loves you , trust you and wants to be with you after that Oo.

As for the slow building of a romance, again it depends of companion.In DA2 , anders was almost already in love with Hawke (specially if you're a mage) Fenris and Isabella they became engaged in a relationship in Act 3, and Merril fell in love after the sex scene and is open about her feeling very early on.
The build up was there in theory , but wasn't shown enough sadly.
That why i feel the fenris romance was frustrating , he's supposed to have lingering feeling all along but there's almost nothing showing it except a few banter and a codex entry.You can spent a long amount of time with absolutely no clue if the guy totaly moved on.

[AkiKishi]

Reznore57 wrote...

For the heart button , I didn't mind .I know a lot of people did.
But the heart is there to show you Hawke gonna be flirty.
And you don't need to hit on all the flirty sentences to get into a romance , there are key sentences but it requires a bit of metagamming i guess to know that.
I like being subtle when it comes to flirting , specialy if i'm interested .But i don't think it's possible in a game .Some people would get mad that they flirt with some companions without having big warning.

Your basically dealing with herosexual characters and a very iffy paraphrase system, as such the heart icon is a bit of an essential.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I just enjoy when characters seem to have a realistic personality, consistancy when it's called for and hopefully a history. If I find it fascinating enough and think my character would be attracted to that NPC, then hopefully a romantic plot is availible which unfolds over several acts and keeps me guessing. Some of the best romantic plots I experienced were in the Baldur's Gate games. The characters were well written and fit all my criteria for being unique, deep and in having "human" emotion mixed with quests and stories. I'm not looking for a dating sim, but a story with a romance themed sub-arch is nice. Just make it a nice story and I'll usually give it a try.

[cindercatz]

The best romance I've ever played (in a non-romance centric game, I've played an even better one in a visual novel which-way type game) was the one in Heavy Rain, which is totally optional and builds (or busts) throughout the game. The love scene there is also the best I've ever seen or played in a game, how they should be, but it's neither the culmination or the goal of the romance, which again is how it should be. It's also a lot more nuanced and generally brave, though everything about that game is more harsh and dramatic than BioWare's offerings to date. DA should not be afraid to go there. In fact, it should jump headlong into deeper waters.

Final Fantasy 8 (which also had the great spaceship scene, if it hasn't been posted, great use of original music to set and score a scene, and the band building exercise among other things, great game) and 7 as well, with the long date scene either with Tifa or Aerith, are great examples of a (somewhat) set love story, but I don't think a chosen love interest type game needs suffer at all. These were games that had silent PCs, and largely silent NPCs as well. Steambot Chronicles, if anybody's played it (late PS2) took it up a notch or four in terms of what you can do with that framework, and it had multiple love interests (along with the option to stop and form a band if you wanted, like the DA press conferance a while back mentioned not many games do, tons of choice). I'd say the relationships that carry through the Uncharted games are great examples of set voiced, fully mo-capped relationships, as are the relationships you build and carry through the Metal Gear games. If you are going to build off choice, however, you've got to fully integrate your romances, and you've got to prioritize them, or else they end up nice, but sparse, like DA2's, where there's just not enough interaction there. They start to feel like sidequests, and they shouldn't ever do that.


ME3's Liara romance is the best I've seen from BioWare (if you imported her romance), because there's so much that changes to suit the relationship, and there's a lot of intimacy on display (other than the love scene itself, which is the best in the game and the worst scene in the relationship at the same time). Even so, I felt it wasn't quite as integrated as it should've been. There were a few scenes that didn't change that should have, and that left me afraid my story had been glitched for a while, and then all of those relationship things, the most important aspect of Mass Effect imo, aren't realized in the end, and that's a game killer. In DA, both games have done what's there very well, excluding the love scenes, which actually distract from the romances because of the outside reasoning that goes into how they're presented. Fading to black is every bit as bad, which is what DA2 and ME2 do, really. If you're going to do relationships that actually exist in game to the point where there is consummation of the relationship, you have to have a love scene. If you're going to do love scenes, be brave and do them right.

Other than Mass Effect, I loved the Bastila romance from KoTOR, but that's a will we/won't we sort of strictly non-sexual, early stages romance. DA's Alistaire romance is excellent, and Morrigan's is excellent, because both provide a lot of back and forth and a lot of what happens next sort of feedback and resolution. Also, both play heavily off any other relationships you have in the game, which is better than a one choice and done thing, or a one choice at a time and take turns approach like DA2 and ME2. DA:O's approach is very natural and allows you to get to know all the characters at your own pace and develope affections with them playing off of a good range of interpersonal scenarioes. That's very important in a choice game. That's also something I dearly loved about Jade Empire, how constantly playing off the characters could result in a very unrestrictive, natural outcome. You can end up in a king/wife/mistress scenario there like DA, but you actually have to resolve the situation both with the characters individually and between the NPCs, and it was brilliant. It was fairly complex and well integrated, and again those are positives.

Honestly, I think BioWare's devs should go play Heavy Rain to see how they can better integrate their romances, and go play some (of the best) mature dating/relationship sims to improve their scenario interplay. They need to be braver to keep me invested all the way through rather than frustrated with the corporate outside nonsense, not have all this conservative pull-back, And they need to look at what's worked well for them so far. The thing that has been consistently excellent is dialogue, both the one to one dialogue tree interactions and the party banter system, especially in DA:O (the trees) and DA2 (the PC involved banter). The one thing I would like to see more of regards that (besides number and depth of conversations available) is player interaction. Those banters walking around are awesome. Why not do small cutscene type things around those that allow the player to take part, rather than just hearing Hawke say something without player input. Why not evolve the relationship a little bit every banter scene that takes place? The physical aspect, I thought was improved leaps and bounds in ME3. Just more of that.

More scenes, less modesty or whatever it is (that awkward tightrope they've been walking the past few years), more intamacy/affection, much deeper integration into the main plot again. If you don't play a romance, fine. If you do play a romance, that should be just as or more important to your character's story than the big world changing events, like it always would be were it real. Heck, even if you only play a fling, make that matter in the story.

edit: Also, since it's been brought up, yes, the characters should have fixed sexual orientations, just like they have fixed inclinations and beliefs in other aspects of the character. Sexual orientation and psychological promiscuity or frigidity are part of a person's basic personality, and they should be so in game. Plus, it means the resources spent applying wish fulfillment to a character's orientation can be better spent fleshing out another scene or allowing an entirely new scene that would have hit the chopping block otherwise. Individual developement per relationship is better than homogenized maelability. Deeper, more frequent interaction is always better than less of same spread around to all comers. The story and the player both benefit per playthrough, overall.

Modifié par cindercatz, 02 juin 2012 - 12:28 .