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[Stance Punk]

If anything, should it be specced for biotic explosions?

[Adhok42]

Up the difficulty to silver now that I've got the hang of it.

Still not too shabby! Worst run I had was when I got dropped into Firebase Goddess, first time on that map. Running a new class on a new map is difficult. You're confused about the class and on top of that you don't know where the enemies are coming from making it frustrating.

Few more runs and I think I got this.

[Creighton72]

You know whe nthey release new classes and weapons they always see how they perform, and then bring out the old nerf hammer. I have seen lash at work and it looks awesome, awesome things tend to get nerfed.

In the mean time keep destroying the Phantoms. Wish I had a class with lash but I don't yet.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

You guys are ridiculous! Do you realize that you say every single thing in the game is TERRIBLE?

You complain about everything!


Oh this character sucks on gold! That gun sucks on gold. And then when they give us something really good you start threads asking Bioware to please nerf it.

Do they have a name for what's wrong with you??? Can you enjoy anything in life without constantly complaining about it?

Modifié par Steelgrave, 30 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[Bobkyou]

Man discussions in these sort of topics can be tough.  Everyone just wants to talk about how much they love the class, or that they got top of the scoreboard, or anyone who thinks any class is bad is instantly wrong.

If you love the class, great.  That still doesn't really add anything to the discussion.  No one is saying you shouldn't play the class.  A game is supposed to be fun, so as long as you are having fun, that's all that matters.

Topping the scoreboard doesn't matter, because you can't account for the lack of skill of other players.  And if you had played a different class, you might have done even better.

'Bad' or 'terrible' are very subjective terms.  Every single class in this game could solo gold in the hands the the right player, just check youtube.  'Bad' doesn't mean the class can't be played, it just means other classes would do better.


I'm just having a hard time seeing what the PA brings to the table over say, an AA or even a HS.

AA and HS can trigger their own BEs on any target at any range.

PA can trigger them at meh range and only on targets without armor (so no primes, atlases, turrets, ravagers, ect).  When the PA does trigger the BEs, they tend to pull the enemies away from the groups, reducing the overall damage done.  To trigger the BEs, the PA has to be very close to the target.

I just don't see what the PA gets in return for all these disadvantages.  Singularity?  Stasis is similar PLUS it works on targets with shields (similar in that both of them are pre castable disable abilities that can stop multiple mobs).  As an adept BEs are your bread and butter, its why you play the class, its massive damage over a wide area.

Someone talked about using lash to throw enemies into the void, and while that may be fun its not something I would personally care for.  I once played a FBWGG game where someone knocked a geth over the edge, but it didn't die.  I could see it when I had hunter mode on, and we couldn't kill it.  Ended up having to leave.

Oh well, the class only just came out.  Someone could be coming up with a WTFOMG NERF IT build right now.

edit:  Arg, why do these forums keep messing up my formatting

Modifié par Bobkyou, 30 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[bassetlab]

I dunno...I was tossing phantoms around like toys on gold today...pretty fun class. Now if I could just get the Harrier. UGhhh.

[iheartbob]

It's an aggresive class, which is unusual for an Adept. I think it's actually quite powerful, but it involves adjusting your playstyle.

[Xaijin]

I don't what the hell you're talking about, this class is the most fun I've had playing mass effect MP since i first got my Krogan. Yanking shielded opponents to their deaths, off of cliffs, lodging them in places they can't get out of, and then smacking the survivors with a power-hit that does more damage then TA detonation, allows me to move AND chain a melee hit on top of it.

The PA rocks. Pure and simple.

Modifié par Xaijin, 30 mai 2012 - 06:30 .

[Amano Kazumi]

I'm kind of in the group where I just don't "get" the class, and it feels sluggish and awkward to me. It seems like the Quarian Engineer; serviceable with the right strategy and weapon, but outclassed directly. In this case, I feel the Human Adept outclasses the Phoenix Adept, and that's saying something. Shockwave has much longer range and more Biotic Explosion damage than Smash, and Warp is a universal setup regardless of the enemy. Lash and Smash just feel like they're stuck in the testing room, and the developers are trying to figure out what to change with them since they just don't work together in true synergy all around.

The only thing I even care for about the class is the ability to set up Tech Bursts with Smash. Yes, Biotic Explosions are better, but when everyone and their mother is an Engineer/Infiltrator/Soldier, it's got a bit of a niche to it.

[heybigmoney]

He's not bad in a random pug with no synergy. With a single drell or justicar on your team he is a monster.

[Xaijin]

Zjarcal wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

I definately don't get how to play the phoenix classes yet, their powers seem to lack synergy to me.

That's my main issue, they really seem to lack synergy, but maybe I'll get used to it eventually, dunno.

Uh, they both set up  or detonate and you can go right through a shielded opponent or a wall.... they have total synergy.

Modifié par Xaijin, 30 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[SPBDARI]

I think you can not play by anyone other than Asari Adepd and Salarian Infliltrator.This is very strong adept for midlle distance and his more better than humane adept and more funny than AA also his easy than Drell

[Nereithr]

I just hope he could create his own BEs on protected targets

[count_4]

Don't have it yet(thanks, store!) but no BEs on armored targets sounds...bad. WIll give it the benefit of the doubt, though. If the store lets me unlock it...

Modifié par count_4, 30 mai 2012 - 07:05 .

[MrScottBear]

Did some FBWGG games and...wow. Was pretty good. I must admit. It was so easy to toss out smash from behind the counter.. And send Team Rocket (troopers) blasting off agaaaaaiiii--- Ding

[Whitestrake]

I got both Cerberus defectors, out of the same package. And I absolutely love them.
The I've been slinging people all over the place with the Adept, using the heavy melee a lot too.
And the Vanguard, is without a doubt my new favorite class.

[brandnubian420]

Leviathan898 wrote...

Actually I will say that having singularity was even more pointless here than the HA; Lash completely outshines it. I can't see why you ever really need Simgularity here.

singularity=>lash works realy good for me but only on guys without shields/barrier/armor. i just got high score on silver spaming that combo but it's true that he's kinda useless against anybody with shield/barrier/armor.

I only use smash on CQC, it works really good on brutes and banshees. Like I said, i've only played on silver so i'm sure the drawbacks this class has makes it really difficult on gold, especially the time it takes to get back into cover when using lash

[Bobkyou]

heybigmoney wrote...
With a single drell or justicar on your team he is a monster.

And so is a HS, TS, AA, or even a HA.

[-Severian-]

I massively disagree. I was running Gold all of yesterday night with this guy, and he is a complete monster. Lash is probably the most OP ability in the game, and Smash is an incredibly damaging effect even without BEs triggered by Lash. Singularity provides a nice way to BE mooks with Lash, and Smash>Heavy Melee is the most ridiculous thing ever. This guy is an absolute powerhouse.

[Pyro-C]

I find that the targets that would suffer most from Smash are the most difficult ones to use it on. Banshees in particular are suicide, Brutes need to stay reletivly still for the crucial wind up time.

Smash range also seems to be shorter than that of a pyro's flamthrower...

[Meneldhil]

The problem at first was that I didn't really know what to do.

Biotic charge? Low health and long Smash CD meant this was useless.
Lash people toward me? Felt like a waste of time. If you lash someone from a group, the rest of them will fire at you while you're waiting or meleeing the lashed person. 

So I decided to run around, and Smash people from behind or around corner, and I actually did pretty good. And smash can detonate some pretty huge biotic explosion.

[Adhok42]

count_4 wrote...

Don't have it yet(thanks, store!) but no BEs on armored targets sounds...bad.

Who cares about BE on armored targets? Two to three smashes and they're pulp! Ya gotta be sneaky about it though.

[MrScottBear]

Meneldhil wrote...

The problem at first was that I didn't really know what to do.

Biotic charge? Low health and long Smash CD meant this was useless.
Lash people toward me? Felt like a waste of time. If you lash someone from a group, the rest of them will fire at you while you're waiting or meleeing the lashed person. 

So I decided to run around, and Smash people from behind or around corner, and I actually did pretty good. And smash can detonate some pretty huge biotic explosion.

It gets better.  You can cancel the second half of lash's animation by using a heavy melee.  Lets you WRECK things from behind cover or walls.

[ParanoidDrone]

Disclaimer: I haven't unlocked either Phoenix class yet.

Every time people talk about Lash, someone mentions how the final evolution to ignore shields and barriers is amazing, which is probably true. But what about the alternate evolution to extend the detonation window by 100%? Is it worth it but inferior to ignoring 2/3 of the protection types? Or is there some other reason no one seems to opt for it?

[Nereithr]

You know what? I actually reconsidered. PA doesn't need armored BEs. He is not your "spam BEs all day long" adept. He is a more classical adept, using his powers to damage/throw stuff directly.

Also, lash is what i have always wanted pull to be. Works on shielded targets, and flings, rather than pulls.

^Problem is, lash is VERY strong. It deals a ton of damage and flings enemies a freaking mile away from enemies. The BEs would be wasted most of the time, and being able to throw phantoms/hunters/liutenants is invaluable.

Modifié par Nereithr, 30 mai 2012 - 10:19 .